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voyager123

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Considering the circumstances now and the kind of program specific draws targeting the inland folks, what could be the possible outcome if all FSW-O applicants withdrew their profiles ? Just a bit of curiosity
it wouldn't help anything or anyone. Canada doesn't owe anybody anything. what we see is a system change. until this year canada's top priority was merit, so CRS score was the sole factor of selection. right now due to the pandemic's economic damage, CRS score became irrelevant and the decisions are based solely on economic concerns, rightfully so. review this year's draws, you'll see that CRS score means nothing now. for years people have tried to maximize their scores, now it's a different game.

just my pseudo-logical 2c. I'm in the same boat, it all affects me the same way. I'd personally look for different ways to immigrate to canada if FSW draws don't come back till Sept-Oct.

nonetheless, to add a bit of hope in all of this, the only true hope FSW has at this point is what the IRCC agents said during those campaign visits to the US universities in february and march this year. they went there just 1-2 months ago to promote FSW and it is even reported that they said FSW would return soon. How soon? well no one knows but I personally don't think they'd just go there to promote a stream they wouldn't reopen until 2023, and they definitely wouldn't say it'd be back soon.
 

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it wouldn't help anything or anyone. Canada doesn't owe anybody anything. what we see is a system change. until this year canada's top priority was merit, so CRS score was the sole factor of selection. right now due to the pandemic's economic damage, CRS score became irrelevant and the decisions are based solely on economic concerns, rightfully so. review this year's draws, you'll see that CRS score means nothing now. for years people have tried to maximize their scores, now it's a different game.

just my pseudo-logical 2c. I'm in the same boat, it all affects me the same way. I'd personally look for different ways to immigrate to canada if FSW draws don't come back till Sept-Oct.
if a lot of folks started planning to migrate to different countries which brings Canada's demand and glory down then there'll be some positive outcomes I hope. I have seen considerable amount of job applicants from International students in England the past several months and it seems the waves are reversing. This could have a considerable effect on Canada.
 

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it wouldn't help anything or anyone. Canada doesn't owe anybody anything. what we see is a system change. until this year canada's top priority was merit, so CRS score was the sole factor of selection. right now due to the pandemic's economic damage, CRS score became irrelevant and the decisions are based solely on economic concerns, rightfully so. review this year's draws, you'll see that CRS score means nothing now. for years people have tried to maximize their scores, now it's a different game.

just my pseudo-logical 2c. I'm in the same boat, it all affects me the same way. I'd personally look for different ways to immigrate to canada if FSW draws don't come back till Sept-Oct.

nonetheless, to add a bit of hope in all of this, the only true hope FSW has at this point is what the IRCC agents said during those campaign visits to the US universities in february and march this year. they went there just 1-2 months ago to promote FSW and it is even reported that they said FSW would return soon. How soon? well no one knows but I personally don't think they'd just go there to promote a stream they wouldn't reopen until 2023, and they definitely wouldn't say it'd be back soon.
IRCC agents do not create policies, ministers do. And the policy is pretty clear to me.
 

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Considering the circumstances now and the kind of program specific draws targeting the inland folks, what could be the possible outcome if all FSW-O applicants withdrew their profiles ? Just a bit of curiosity
It doesn't matter since this would honestly never happen.
 

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if a lot of folks started planning to migrate to different countries which brings Canada's demand and glory down then there'll be some positive outcomes I hope. I have seen considerable amount of job applicants from International students in England the past several months and it seems the waves are reversing. This could have a considerable effect on Canada.
To be honest, Canada is the only country at present that has the easiest and fastest PR process. Even Australia that used to process quickly, has a current wait time of 3 years. Most immigration happens from Asia to the West and for Asians (including the Middle East, Indian subcontinent), Canada is a tremendous hope.
 

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it wouldn't help anything or anyone. Canada doesn't owe anybody anything. what we see is a system change. until this year canada's top priority was merit, so CRS score was the sole factor of selection. right now due to the pandemic's economic damage, CRS score became irrelevant and the decisions are based solely on economic concerns, rightfully so. review this year's draws, you'll see that CRS score means nothing now. for years people have tried to maximize their scores, now it's a different game.

just my pseudo-logical 2c. I'm in the same boat, it all affects me the same way. I'd personally look for different ways to immigrate to canada if FSW draws don't come back till Sept-Oct.

nonetheless, to add a bit of hope in all of this, the only true hope FSW has at this point is what the IRCC agents said during those campaign visits to the US universities in february and march this year. they went there just 1-2 months ago to promote FSW and it is even reported that they said FSW would return soon. How soon? well no one knows but I personally don't think they'd just go there to promote a stream they wouldn't reopen until 2023, and they definitely wouldn't say it'd be back soon.
It's always been economic, man. Canadians aren't having enough babies and the government doesn't want to end up like Japan, with 35% of the population over 65 and the population declining ever year. Immigration is the only way out
 
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Considering the circumstances now and the kind of program specific draws targeting the inland folks, what could be the possible outcome if all FSW-O applicants withdrew their profiles ? Just a bit of curiosity
Things would continue as normal. IRCC would continue to process inland applications already received, and create more pathways for inland temporary residents and in-Canada foreign nationals, to PR.
 

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https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/moderna-delay-1.5990166



According to this, about 30% will have received double dose while the rest will have received single dose by the end of June. I don't know jack about these things but even a single dose is said to be quite protective. Meeting this target could quite possibly end the pandemic for Canadians by the end of June. Around the same time the USA will probably also have ended the pandemic which is convenient since they share a border. Let's hope FSWs finally get lucky this summer.

By the way these figures neglect the vaccine production capacity increase we might see around the globe within the next 3 months. Canada might even surpass 50 mil by July.
Don’t think that June is realistic. Re ember that children are not vaccinated so you have to wait until at least older children get vaccinated before we likely get to herd immunity. Not everyone will get vaccinated unfortunately. We also live in a global world and there are now more scary variants appearing some double variants. The vaccines may not be effective against all variants. We are going to need a 3rd shot if not a yearly shot. The percentage of the world that has been vaccinated is still very low.
 

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Don’t think that June is realistic. Re ember that children are not vaccinated so you have to wait until at least older children get vaccinated before we likely get to herd immunity. Not everyone will get vaccinated unfortunately. We also live in a global world and there are now more scary variants appearing some double variants. The vaccines may not be effective against all variants. We are going to need a 3rd shot if not a yearly shot. The percentage of the world that has been vaccinated is still very low.
quite sure yearly vaccines will be necessary but the world (vaccine production) is adapting to this reality, it has to. they haven't extended travel restrictions (yet?) so maybe that's good news. we'll see.
 
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Don’t think that June is realistic. Re ember that children are not vaccinated so you have to wait until at least older children get vaccinated before we likely get to herd immunity. Not everyone will get vaccinated unfortunately. We also live in a global world and there are now more scary variants appearing some double variants. The vaccines may not be effective against all variants. We are going to need a 3rd shot if not a yearly shot. The percentage of the world that has been vaccinated is still very low.
Don't think you have to vaccinate kids to reach herd immunity. See Israel for example. Also in UK, daily deaths are in single digits (from 1000s in January). You could argue they are also close to reaching herd immunity, without vaccinating kids. I predict end of June or mid July Canada will be in the same position as Israel is currently. Will Canada risk opening the borders to new immigrants then (even partially) or will they play it safe for a few more months. I honestly don't know.

quite sure yearly vaccines will be necessary but the world (vaccine production) is adapting to this reality, it has to. they haven't extended travel restrictions (yet?) so maybe that's good news. we'll see.
It's almost certain that the travel restrictions will be extended for two more months. Last month I was hoping there might be some relief for post March 18 COPR holders, but given the current situation in Canada, there is close to zero chance the same restrictions don't get extended. It will also politically be a very bad move if you start opening borders when your own citizens are under stay at home orders.
 
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Don't think you have to vaccinate kids to reach herd immunity. See Israel for example. Also in UK, daily deaths are in single digits (from 1000s in January). You could argue they are also close to reaching herd immunity, without vaccinating kids. I predict end of June or mid July Canada will be in the same position as Israel is currently. Will Canada risk opening the borders to new immigrants then (even partially) or will they play it safe for a few more months. I honestly don't know.



It's almost certain that the travel restrictions will be extended for two more months. Last month I was hoping there might be some relief for post March 18 COPR holders, but given the current situation in Canada, there is close to zero chance the same restrictions don't get extended. It will also politically be a very bad move if you start opening borders when your own citizens are under stay at home orders.
Israel has a much better electronic health records which has helped them organize and track who is getting vaccinated and who remains unvaccinated. They also are much stronger when it comes to contact tracing.

UK has literally just started slowly opening up so you can’t really comment on whether they have herd immunity. Still too early to see whether Israel has hit herd immunity. Israel is much more strict about making sure those entering are isolating away from other family members respect, the quarantine rules and have contact with noone. Canada’s policies aren’t enforced and there are lots of loopholes. The P1 variant became an issue out West because of a traveller who entered Canada and went to Whistler. Masks only stopped being required this week in Israel including outdoors and they have a vaccine passport system to enter things like a restaurant. Think that very good public health measures, having around half the population vaccinated and having slighter under 1 million residents who had covid all contributed to the low levels of covid. The climate in Israel also helps and so does being such a small and compact country. It is much easier to organize vaccinations when you have the technology and the logistics already in place. Given the instability in the region Israel has practice organization these large scale operations.

I still think we are far from being in the same situation in Canada. You are talking about 2.5 months away. We will hopefully have the 3rd wave under better control at that point and that would be a win. Delays in some of our vaccine shipments have been announced. Number of Occupied beds in hospital have a 4-6 week lag time. Although summer will allow people to go outdoors Canadians want to take advantage of the few warm months and it will be very difficult to tell people to limit contact with people outside their immediate family. Other countries are also experiencing a 3rd wave which is only get worse. Canada will want to ensure that our covid status has been stabilized for a while before opening up the borders more. Even if 55% of people in Canada are vaccinated with the first shot in June/July we could have a 4th wave if there is a variant that doesn’t respond or doesn’t provide much coverage to one of the variants. If people had at least 2 shots there would a higher chance that people would at least remain out of hospital even if infected. With the Majority of Canada only having one shot I think it would be risky to return to normal immigration during the summer. The government has tried to avoid the opening and closing. So far many provinces haven’t done a good job but it will be even more complicated if it involved people entering from abroad, booking flights, quitting jobs, giving notice or selling homes, etc. Many of those approved for PR after March 18, 2020 have gone through so much I can only assume that nobody wants to repeat what happened last year with many having quit their jobs and given up their home only to find out they they couldn’t travel. Once outland immigration starts the government likely only wants to move forward. Canadians aren’t even supposed to be traveling within the country so until that is possible for at least a month if not more you would hope that immigration wouldn’t return to normal. Unfortunately many of our policies don’t make sense like our current restrictions on traveling in and out of Ontario by land yet you can fly in from hot zones of Covid across the world or fly to from another province like a Ontario and risk spreading covid. Think people need to accept that covid isn’t going anywhere anytime soon. The fact that many governments have talked about covid as something we need to conquer and then we can all move on after getting vaccinate is not the reality. I unfortunately think we are going to be dealing with covid forever. Hopefully I am wrong but I think we are going for a longer process.
 
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https://www.cicnews.com/2021/04/budget-2021-what-it-means-for-canadian-immigration-0417836.html#gs.yn472k
Reforms to Express Entry

The Budget notes that the federal government has an eye towards reforming Express Entry. The government would like to give the immigration minister more authority to “select those candidates who best meet Canada’s labour market needs.” What these changes may entail are not specified in the Budget.


What do you guys think this means for fsw program? :/
The "best meet Canada's labour market needs" sounds like something NOC specific. So perhaps going back to what it was like a number of years ago where only certain NOCs qualified and there was a limit of applications accepted under each NOC. Anyway - just my opinion.
 

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I don't want to be a wet blanket, but all this talk about millions of vaccines coming in, we've all heard this before here. It doesn't mean there won't be delays which affect these commitments, it's been that way throughout.

Don't put stock in commitments, put stock in the number of vaccinated people here, people actually getting the shots in their arms. If it was just about the vaccine reservations and portfolio, Canada would already be ahead of every other country. But the problem is the delays which have affected the orders from the suppliers.