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Ray of hope - FSW - 1

guelphite

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Jan 22, 2021
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FSW
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AOR Received.
28-10-2020
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03-12-2020
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07-01-2020
It’s not going to be that straightforward. In the US there are millions of vaccines unused and potentially wasted because many people won’t take the vaccines. Not even half of the people are fully vaccinated.
Even if Canadians are much more willing to take vaccines. Canada vaccine delivery is a disaster and had only bad news so far.
It is not a disaster. That's just not true.

Doses per 100 people (average over the last 7 days):
  • US: 0.96
  • Canada: 0.74
Vaccination speed has significantly accelerated here. And the government recently announced that Pfizer will be delivering 6 million additional vaccines from May to June. That's 40 million doses total received by the end of June (total population is only 38 million)
 

ElStu

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Nov 9, 2017
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How? If they graduated after Jan 2017 from a Canadian university, they are eligible. If they graduated before that and are still living in Canada, what exactly have they been doing that they haven't been able to get a measly 1 year of work experience in 5 years?
Some finished their M.Sc recently and doing a PhD now. They’re on a study permit and working part-time! Now you know how.
 

mushymush

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Oct 19, 2020
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Some finished their M.Sc recently and doing a PhD now. They’re on a study permit and working part-time! Now you know how.
If they graduated with an MSc, they can still apply for a PR under the new stream. If they are doing a combined master's and PhD, they can still get a 3 year PGWP and easily get a year of experience in those 3 years to go through CEC, by which time, pandemic related issues will have been dealt with. Your argument holds no water.
 
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mushymush

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Oct 19, 2020
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It is not a disaster. That's just not true.

Doses per 100 people (average over the last 7 days):
  • US: 0.96
  • Canada: 0.74
Vaccination speed has significantly accelerated here. And the government recently announced that Pfizer will be delivering 6 million additional vaccines from May to June. That's 40 million doses total received by the end of June (total population is only 38 million)
48.7 million! Just doses from pfizer alone can cover the entire adult population in Canada by June, and that's not even counting those who will refuse a vaccine. Plus there's 300k J&J single shots in May (with more to follow) and about 10 mil (instead of 12) moderna doses still coming in by June. Plenty of good news to go around. It's been slow, but they've met or exceeded every goal they've set so far.
 
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ElStu

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Nov 9, 2017
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If they graduated with an MSc, they can still apply for a PR under the new stream. If they are doing a combined master's and PhD, they can still get a 3 year PGWP and easily get a year of experience in those 3 years to go through CEC. Your argument holds no water.
One of the requirements is to be employed in Canada with a valid permit. They have a study permit and working part-time. Who told you that they’re eligible, i’ve seen a number of ppl saying they need a work permit. How come?
 

mushymush

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Oct 19, 2020
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One of the requirements is to be employed in Canada with a valid permit. They have a study permit and working part-time. Who told you that they’re eligible, i’ve seen a number of ppl saying they need a work permit. How come?
Ah my bad. But why can't they graduate, get a work permit and go from there as usual? Getting a year of experience on a 3 year work permit shouldn't be that hard. The only thing being argued here is the degree of ease with with they can get a PR right? They still have extremely accessible paths to PR. The main beneficiaries of this stream are people who did PG diplomas and were struggling to get a year of experience on a short work permit. For regular master's/phd students, this just makes it easier and quicker. But even without the new stream they would've gotten their PRs a couple of years down the line anyway. I don't know, I don't really have much sympathy when the main issue is 'PR isn't quite as easy as it could have been'.
 

ElStu

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Nov 9, 2017
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Ah my bad. But why can't they graduate, get a work permit and go from there as usual? Getting a year of experience on a 3 year work permit shouldn't be that hard. The only thing being argued here is the degree of ease with with they can get a PR right? They still have extremely accessible paths to PR. The main beneficiaries of this stream are people who did PG diplomas and were struggling to get a year of experience on a short work permit. For regular master's/phd students, this just makes it easier and quicker. But even without the new stream they would've gotten their PRs a couple of years down the line anyway. I don't know, I don't really have much sympathy when the main issue is 'PR isn't quite as easy as it could have been'.
I understood some of what you said, but not the rest. Recent PhD students who have an M.Sc. know that they’ll get their PR anyways, and it’s not advisable to make decisions based on immigration news. But who knows what the next news may be? IRCC has yet to confirm whether a valid permit means a WP or Study permits are included as well, which would be marvelous indeed! We’ll see how things go.
 

mushymush

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Oct 19, 2020
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I understood some of what you said, but not the rest. Recent PhD students who have an M.Sc. know that they’ll get their PR anyways, and it’s not advisable to make decisions based on immigration news. But who knows what the next news may be? IRCC has yet to confirm whether a valid permit means a WP or Study permits are included as well, which would be marvelous indeed! We’ll see how things go.
Hm. I meant to say most people currently studying can still go ahead get a PGWP and eventually apply through CEC. But this is a lifeline for people on a 1 year PGWP (after a 1 year diploma for instance) who wouldn't have met the CEC requirements. Anyone else who graduated, say in 2018, must have gotten a job or 1 year of experience by now to be able to survive in Canada till 2021, so they'll be eligible for PR one way or another. It's good news for them regardless, it's just a matter of whether they get an ITA this year or next.
 

armitabbsn

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Oct 6, 2020
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Iran
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FSW
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3131
I think the fear is that they won't restart FSW because Canada is throwing out ITAs to inland categories, rendering FSW obsolete. A little baseless and irrational, but present nonetheless.
I guess becuz everyone thinks IRCC would reach to its target without FSW and they would possibly not need FSW this year
 

voyager123

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Dec 8, 2018
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I guess becuz everyone thinks IRCC would reach to its target without FSW and they would possibly not need FSW this year
the "target" is not even the same anymore. the demographics of immigrants ircc needs apparently has changed. skilled people outside of canada are seem to be not needed at least for now. 2022 is secured thanks to the 90k. I personally don't expect any FSW draws between 2021 sept and 2022 sept so if there are no FSW draws until sept this year, maybe it's better to change plans and look out for ways that better fit the new game.
 
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dankboi

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Apr 19, 2021
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London, United Kingdom
Category........
FSW
the "target" is not even the same anymore. the demographics of immigrants ircc needs apparently has changed. skilled people outside of canada are seem to be not needed at least for now. 2022 is secured thanks to the 90k. I personally don't expect any FSW draws between 2021 sept and 2022 sept so if there are no FSW draws until sept this year, maybe it's better to change plans and look out for ways that better fit the new game.
yes. That's what i thought a moment ago, The IRCC is just playing around creating a pool of candidates making it look competitive and it's not them who are affected. Why should the applicants waste their time and emotional well being for someone else's play
 

armitabbsn

Star Member
Oct 6, 2020
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Iran
Category........
FSW
NOC Code......
3131
the "target" is not even the same anymore. the demographics of immigrants ircc needs apparently has changed. skilled people outside of canada are seem to be not needed at least for now. 2022 is secured thanks to the 90k. I personally don't expect any FSW draws between 2021 sept and 2022 sept so if there are no FSW draws until sept this year, maybe it's better to change plans and look out for ways that better fit the new game.
I do not agree with your opinion. I believe FSW draws will resume sometime soon by Sep.