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darshmodi

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oszi said:
If pre. exam. begun after 1st of August, you will be notified to improve your french to B2 within 18 months (as you now have only 55 points if no change in AOT points, which is not enough for pre. exam.)

If pre. exam. begun before 1st of August, you are ok.
dear oazi

thank u so much for your reply. and as per the update with me for my case they were working on my file in the first week of july 2013.

now suppose if they have started after 1st august do I need to calculate my french points or without french points

pls share
 

jimmy80

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Oct 19, 2012
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April 2016 inchallah
Hallooooozzzzzzz,

can anyone explain to me what preliminary examination mean and how to know if the preliminary examination of my application is done or no.
i applied since May 2011 and Got AOR AUg 2011.

thank you
 

signalmaker

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Apr 19, 2012
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Montreal
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July 19th 2012
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AOR Received.
Nov 26th 2012
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oszi said:
I agree, if you applied before 1st of August, and new rules apply to you, then if the principal applicant had at least A2 (for DELF A2 with 16+ score out of 25), and points are between

  • 39-49 for single applicant
  • 43-57 for those with spouse where both had A2+
  • or 47-57 with spouse, where only one of them had A2+

will get 18 months to improve french to at least B2, or higher, to reach 49/57 points for preliminary examination.

If you still have at least 49/57 with language points by the new rules, then they will start preliminary examination / interview call etc. normally, as B2 is not mandatory for processing.
Thank you so much !
 

signalmaker

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Doc's Request.
October 28th 2012 - Changed Check / and added a Child.
AOR Received.
Nov 26th 2012
IELTS Request
Sent with Application
Interview........
@ Waiting list since September 17th 2013
LANDED..........
Hopefully April 2017.
Hoback said:
I was pretty sure, there wouldn't be any official notice regarding new rules of admission and files processing. 18 months is a plenty of time.
18 months is not a plenty of time, the certificate takes 4 months to come from france, also you need to rejister with the exam times you have in your country or nearest country, and you will have to study to improve from A2 to B2

the 18 months is a small period of time !
 

mina_monmon

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Aug 23, 2013
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oszi said:
That is an interesting case. For example, my application was received middle of January, but the only date I could ever get from them, was a date for the opening of my file, end of February. So almost 1,5 months was gone, before they officially opened it.

The exact quote from the new document:

"Candidats qui ont présenté une demande d'immigration avant le 1er août 2013 pour laquelle
l'examen préliminaire n'a pas débuté et qui, par conséquent, se voient appliquer la
nouvelle grille de sélection (exigences appliquées à l'examen préliminaire avec nouvelle grille
de pondération)"

Translation:

"Candidates who have submitted an application for immigration before August 1, 2013 for which
preliminary examination has not started and therefore are assigned the
new selection grid (requirements applied to the preliminary examination with new grid
weighting)"

What they EXACTLY mean by that, god knows. I hope in your case they will not take the base date of opening the file, or you could get into the post-1st-of-August category, and if you really sent it with A2/A2 only, they could just refuse. Call their Call Center tomorrow, and tell them, you need to know the status of your application, and that you do not have a reference number yet (do you?). They will find you by name, date of birth, country of birth. Ask about the date of opening the file. That is the only way to know for sure...
Dear Oszi .

Many thanks for your support and ur advice

really i appreciated so much

look dear frds i want to inform u that when i sent my file in the first time in ( march ) it is returned to me unfortunately because im not sending the original certificate for Delf so i receivd my file in april with ( Refrence NUmber ) , and then i sent my file for the second time in june after i received the official & original certificatee from france cuz it is takes more than 4 months

really it is out of my hand because i already do it the test on december so the certiciate received from france after 5 months it is horrible really

anyway my question to u dear frds

am i cuz i ahve refrence number i will be under which criteria 2 or 3

appreciate recieved your feedback

thanks in advance
cheers :)
 

mina_monmon

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Aug 23, 2013
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oszi said:
From the document:

"In accordance with the rule changes on the selection of nationals foreign (RSFN) and Regulations respecting the weighting applicable to the selection of foreign aliens who have entered into force on 1 st August 2013, the immigration officer may now offer reference francisation the stage of preliminary examination. Therefore, there two cases of possible applications: ...."

Offers need some kind of communication for sure... ;)
Dear Oszo . :)
Au moment de l’examen préliminaire, la référence en francisation n’est possible que si le requérant principal possède déjà un niveau intermédiaire faible, de niveau de compétences 5 ou 6 de l’Échelle québécoise (soit B1).


Dear frds as per the above text i have queswtion that mean in the time of l’examen préliminaire if im not submit the minimum French test B1 my will will reject ......

so the question ,

is the meaning of l’examen préliminaire the time that open file after 1 year or the time that they opend my file for the first time before sending file number and received the fees ????


appreciate receive your advice about my question ,

all in all dear i put it all my life between god so i said as god willing

but u know my situation i just want to understand my situation before i decided anything that only

God Is Exist :)

appreciate receive your feedback frds :)
god bless u
cheers :)
 

lemans207

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Oct 21, 2011
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signalmaker said:
18 months is not a plenty of time, the certificate takes 4 months to come from france, also you need to rejister with the exam times you have in your country or nearest country, and you will have to study to improve from A2 to B2

the 18 months is a small period of time !
ppl who study 14 years French during school are getting b1 :D

its a big lie very difficult from a2 to b2
 

oszi

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Oct 30, 2012
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mina_monmon said:
Dear Oszo . :)
Au moment de l'examen préliminaire, la référence en francisation n'est possible que si le requérant principal possède déjà un niveau intermédiaire faible, de niveau de compétences 5 ou 6 de l'Échelle québécoise (soit B1).


Dear frds as per the above text i have queswtion that mean in the time of l'examen préliminaire if im not submit the minimum French test B1 my will will reject ......

so the question ,

is the meaning of l'examen préliminaire the time that open file after 1 year or the time that they opend my file for the first time before sending file number and received the fees ????


appreciate receive your advice about my question ,

all in all dear i put it all my life between god so i said as god willing

but u know my situation i just want to understand my situation before i decided anything that only

God Is Exist :)

appreciate receive your feedback frds :)
god bless u
cheers :)
Minimum B1 (to be eligible to get 12 months to improve to B2) only applies to those, who sent their file AFTER 1st of August. If you sent it before 1st of August, and lack some points to reach 49/57, you only need A2 sent with application, and you will get 18 months to reach B2.

Preliminary examination happens many-many months or even years after AOR received. Basically preliminary examination happens just before you get notification, that you are queued for interview (or in some rare cases get waiver, PERM124b notification and CSQ). So if someone did not get anything after AOR yet, or not even AOR, then their preliminary examination has not started yet.
 

lemans207

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Oct 21, 2011
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oszi said:
Minimum B1 (to be eligible to get 12 months to improve to B2) only applies to those, who sent their file AFTER 1st of August. If you sent it before 1st of August, and lack some points to reach 49/57, you only need A2 sent with application, and you will get 18 months to reach B2.

Preliminary examination happens many-many months or even years after AOR received. Basically preliminary examination happens just before you get notification, that you are queued for interview (or in some rare cases get waiver, PERM124b notification and CSQ). So if someone did not get anything after AOR yet, or not even AOR, then their preliminary examination has not started yet.
ozi do you know that ppl who land with low level French, they get free courses from quebec govern and get payed 500-600$ pocket money

so guess with this smart plan,
you do French on your own,
you will be b2 level, you will not think to leave to federal

very smart act
 

mina_monmon

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Aug 23, 2013
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oszi said:
Minimum B1 (to be eligible to get 12 months to improve to B2) only applies to those, who sent their file AFTER 1st of August. If you sent it before 1st of August, and lack some points to reach 49/57, you only need A2 sent with application, and you will get 18 months to reach B2.

Preliminary examination happens many-many months or even years after AOR received. Basically preliminary examination happens just before you get notification, that you are queued for interview (or in some rare cases get waiver, PERM124b notification and CSQ). So if someone did not get anything after AOR yet, or not even AOR, then their preliminary examination has not started yet.
Dear frds ,

as i got it from u friend . most probably i will be under criteria number 2 becuase i have sent my file before 1 of augest ,

but it is point it makes me confusion ...

they depond on the date that deliver file or the date that they open file for the first time

Please i Need advice about this point ?

Thanks in Advance :)
 

mina_monmon

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Aug 23, 2013
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lemans207 said:
ozi do you know that ppl who land with low level French, they get free courses from quebec govern and get payed 500-600$ pocket money

so guess with this smart plan,
you do French on your own,
you will be b2 level, you will not think to leave to federal

very smart act
Totally Agree with u frds
they need to prevent immigrant land in Fedral :)
and on the other hand they need to decrease the expenses for courses .

Very Very Smart Decision frds
 

Ievgen

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May 17, 2013
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lemans207 said:
ppl who study 14 years French during school are getting b1 :D

its a big lie very difficult from a2 to b2
That's seems insane, 14 years ;D I managed B1 in 3 months. But I feel that there's a big gap between B1 and B2.
 

lemans207

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Ievgen said:
That's seems insane, 14 years ;D I managed B1 in 3 months. But I feel that there's a big gap between B1 and B2.
b1 for TCFQ is nothing, if you take tcf or tef youll get a2 maybe the educational, also
try from b1 to b2 tcfq so hard
 

alexey_nathan

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Aug 20, 2012
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Guys, check this document out http://www2.publicationsduquebec.gouv.qc.ca/dynamicSearch/telecharge.php?type=7&gpiType=N&file=NPI2013-016.pdf&eoq=36870
 

signalmaker

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Apr 19, 2012
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App. Filed.......
July 19th 2012
Doc's Request.
October 28th 2012 - Changed Check / and added a Child.
AOR Received.
Nov 26th 2012
IELTS Request
Sent with Application
Interview........
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LANDED..........
Hopefully April 2017.
alexey_nathan said:
Guys, check this document out http://www2.publicationsduquebec.gouv.qc.ca/dynamicSearch/telecharge.php?type=7&gpiType=N&file=NPI2013-016.pdf&eoq=36870
yeah it is an important one, we have been talking about it ...