New bill would allow border guards to record exit movemnts for everyone

[toshib]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ralph-goodale-canada-us-bill-1.3635990

 

[Bs65]

Has been discussed on here before but about time

 

[links18]

In reality, what this does is out source exit monitoring to United States Customs and Border Protection. Are people sure they really want that? I guess it doesn't matter, because it is going to happen......

 

[h3a3j6]

In reality, what this does is out source exit monitoring to United States Customs and Border Protection. Are people sure they really want that? I guess it doesn't matter, because it is going to happen......

I believe it's only for non-citizen.

 

[screech339]

I believe it's only for non-citizen.

Non-citizens were already been tracked under previous phases of "Beyond the Border". Canadians and Americans are being included in this bill. This is part of the last phase, which includes Canadians and Americans, of Beyond the Border initiative.

 

[keesio]

In reality, what this does is out source exit monitoring to United States Customs and Border Protection. Are people sure they really want that? I guess it doesn't matter, because it is going to happen......

This is not just for people leaving Canada to go to the USA. It is exit control for everyone, just like they do in nearly every other country around the world

 

[toshib]

The new proposed bill C-21 regarding the exit controls will be used specifically to check that PR renewal applicants & citizenship applicants comply with the residency requirement & also check people who get the governments benefits are residents in Canada at the time they get the benefits

 

[links18]

The new proposed bill C-21 regarding the exit controls will be used specifically to check that PR renewal applicants & citizenship applicants comply with the residency requirement & also check people who get the governments benefits are residents in Canada at the time they get the benefits

Which opens another contentious debate on "residency."

 

[links18]

This is not just for people leaving Canada to go to the USA. It is exit control for everyone, just like they do in nearly every other country around the world

I guess you are for it then?

 

[screech339]

I guess you are for it then?

I am not sure what you are getting at? Are you saying you don't want CIC to collect exit records of PR's and Canadians?

 

[keesio]

I guess you are for it then?

I always wondered why they didn't have it in the first place. It would make life so much easier for people trying to validate their entry/exit records when applying for PR Card renewal or Citizenship. So many people have complained why doesn't Canada do this already. I actually can't think of a negative of having it.

 

[keesio]

Which opens another contentious debate on "residency."

Actually it closes the debate. With exit control there will be no "debate" about ones RO. CBSA will have all the records and IRCC can get access to them. No room for debate (and maybe eliminate the need for personal detailed record management for your entry/exits??). If IRCC questions your dates, you can show them all entry/exit records from CBSA... assuming they implement this correctly.

 

[dpenabill]

Actually it closes the debate. With exit control there will be no "debate" about ones RO. CBSA will have all the records and IRCC can get access to them. No room for debate (and maybe eliminate the need for personal detailed record management for your entry/exits??). If IRCC questions your dates, you can show them all entry/exit records from CBSA... assuming they implement this correctly.

I highly doubt this.

The burden of both presenting travel information and proving residency/presence will almost certainly still be imposed on PRs, whether for purposes of showing compliance with the PR Residency Obligation, or for the purpose of establishing eligibility for citizenship.

IRCC will use access to border crossing data for verification purposes, and thus be primarily looking into this data for indications that the applicant's accounting of dates is incomplete or otherwise not accurate.

CBSA will use access to this information for screening purposes, to identify individuals to be examined or investigated, such as PRs at PoE examinations.

Other government agencies will have some access for purposes of identifying and investigating potential instances of fraud, such as individuals utilizing health care benefits for residents when they have not been meeting the residency requirements.

Thus, overall it will significantly impact the opportunity to fudge or engage in fraud, giving the government more tools and information with which to identify misrepresentations as to residency or presence. This should significantly reduce the extent to which there will be lengthy processing times for residency/presence cases. But again, the applicant will still be required to submit an accurate and complete accounting of all travel abroad, and if challenged, prove this. And it is likely that in some cases IRCC will still doubt or overtly challenge certain PR's claims of presence for the time between last-known-entry and next-known-exit . . . in other words, IRCC will not necessarily conclude the captured exit and entry data will be complete. And can, and sometimes will, require the applicant to prove presence in-between known dates of travel, such as by proof of place of abode and place of employment.

 

[links18]

Actually it closes the debate. With exit control there will be no "debate" about ones RO. CBSA will have all the records and IRCC can get access to them. No room for debate (and maybe eliminate the need for personal detailed record management for your entry/exits??). If IRCC questions your dates, you can show them all entry/exit records from CBSA... assuming they implement this correctly.

Yeah, the last part is the trick and it is not CBSA who will be implementing it--its US CBP--in other words a foreign government.

 

[links18]

I am not sure what you are getting at? Are you saying you don't want CIC to collect exit records of PR's and Canadians?

No, I am not sure I want US CBP doing CIC's job for it--one more step towards continental integration. Hey, wasn't there an election about that recently somewhere?