Effective date of Bill C24

[MUFC]

Friends what are the chances that rules will
be effective on April 1st.

thanks,
Godhelp

It will definitely not be effective before Mid-April. After that nobody knows what they will do.

 

[bkara]

my timeline would be

applied : sept-2015
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Oath : sept-2016,according to the statistical data from ontario,let`s say if I apply in Scarborough.

with the new law,
I`ll be eligible to apply for citizenship sept-2017.Do you think I`ll be done with all of this paperwork and stuff until sept-2018? (since the processing time suppose to be shorter with the new system of evaluating citizenship applications)

 

[nadeem55]

Nobody can predict for 2017 but according to CIC projection that, the citizenship applications will be finalized in within 6 months or less.
Now the odds could be different then what they predicted, next year 2016 CIC will overwhelmed by the huge flood of citizenship application which could make them derail from the track of faster processing, they might use more resources to complete the application in time and eventually increase the fees from $600 to $1000 and return hundreds of applications because of incorrect fees, they might introduce some other legislation to block further new applicants to apply, only the immigrants will agitated and govt. will keep on playing with rules and immigrants.

 

[MUFC]

Nobody can tell what will actually happen with the processing times after the elections.

Don't forget that they will introduce the intend to reside and because of that I don't believe that the processing times will become much faster. If they start to give away the citizenship faster that means that the intend to reside would not be tested in practice.

Another factor which is unknown for everybody is, who will end up with RQ at some point of the long procedure.

There are a lot of unknowns on the way, that's why it is impossible to be really accurate in what to expect from CIC.

 

[ZingyDNA]

6 months or less? That's a HUGE improvement, especially for the slower parts of Canada. Could you please share where you found this info? A link maybe?

Obviously you can't completely trust their promises as you mentioned there are lots of variables, but at least they are trying to speed up the application process by re-structuring the procedures and/or investing more human resources.

Nobody can predict for 2017 but according to CIC projection that, the citizenship applications will be finalized in within 6 months or less.
Now the odds could be different then what they predicted, next year 2016 CIC will overwhelmed by the huge flood of citizenship application which could make them derail from the track of faster processing, they might use more resources to complete the application in time and eventually increase the fees from $600 to $1000 and return hundreds of applications because of incorrect fees, they might introduce some other legislation to block further new applicants to apply, only the immigrants will agitated and govt. will keep on playing with rules and immigrants.

 

[MUFC]

I believe that this is only a showcase for the elections ZingyDNA.

 

[screech339]

I believe that this is only a showcase for the elections ZingyDNA.

Where the proof in that? It is a coincident that the new rule of citizenship deadline happen to fall in the election year. And it is expected of the government to legislate laws / changes that they promised to keep that were made during the election campaign. So that they can claim that they uphold their election promises. That is to be expected.

However to say that the processing timeline will drop to 6 months under the new rules has no relation to this upcoming election or is it a showcase. It may be a showcase for the last election. But not this election. This new rule change / "reduced timeline" (that remains to be seen) is part of the last election promises. Not this upcoming election.

 

[MUFC]

You called a coincident but for me it was a well planed to be right before the elections in order to make a good impression. If they were so eager to make it happen , they could have done it long time ago.

Well if that was the promise about the faster processing times from last elections, it is pretty clear, that just supports my idea, that it should not be taken seriously , because it is just a promise.

The intend to reside thing actually suggest that the processing speed should not be very fast, how otherwise they would be genuinely convinced that the applicant would like to settle here for good.

 

[CanadianCountry]

I agree with MUFC that it was preplanned to fall on election year and Tories will seek reelection based on this and other bills they brought.

Screech sees everything differently. Screech is the case of "being Canadian" before you are even Canadian. PRs are NOT Canadian. I personally had similar situation as screech and i believe it happens with a lot of people. Once you start living here, you start to think like Canadian and your heart says you are Canadian. But in reality you are not unless you have Citizenship certificate. Happened to me, i felt/thought like i'm Canadian for many years, but sudden self-realization brought me to reality that no-one is a Canadian unless you are citizen.

It reminds me an incident when somebody was telling somebody else (which i overheard) "You are a Canadian, once you are in Canada" doesn't matter your status. So not true.

You called a coincident but for me it was a well planed to be right before the elections in order to make a good impression. If they were so eager to make it happen , they could have done it long time ago.

Well if that was the promise about the faster processing times from last elections, it is pretty clear, that just supports my idea, that it should not be taken seriously , because it is just a promise.

The intend to reside thing actually suggest that the processing speed should not be very fast, how otherwise they would be genuinely convinced that the applicant would like to settle here for good.

 

[screech339]

You called a coincident but for me it was a well planed to be right before the elections in order to make a good impression. If they were so eager to make it happen , they could have done it long time ago.

Well if that was the promise about the faster processing times from last elections, it is pretty clear, that just supports my idea, that it should not be taken seriously , because it is just a promise.

The intend to reside thing actually suggest that the processing speed should not be very fast, how otherwise they would be genuinely convinced that the applicant would like to settle here for good.

The intend to reside does help prevent people from taking off after applying and only coming back for test and oath. However while it does not stop people from becoming Canadian of Convenience, extending the qualification time, does work in the hopes that by the time the would-be CoC's become Canadians, they may change their mind and actually want to stay and be a contributing member of Canada society.

 

[CanadianCountry]

So i don't believe in continuing to fool myself and keep saying that i'm a Canadian, when i'm not. I am a PR.

For some its just the same, PR or citizen, what difference? They like how they feel when they call themselves Canadian, and don't want to ruin how they feel.

You called a coincident but for me it was a well planed to be right before the elections in order to make a good impression. If they were so eager to make it happen , they could have done it long time ago.

Well if that was the promise about the faster processing times from last elections, it is pretty clear, that just supports my idea, that it should not be taken seriously , because it is just a promise.

The intend to reside thing actually suggest that the processing speed should not be very fast, how otherwise they would be genuinely convinced that the applicant would like to settle here for good.

 

[screech339]

I agree with MUFC that it was preplanned to fall on election year and Tories will seek reelection based on this and other bills they brought.

Screech sees everything differently. Screech is the case of "being Canadian" before you are even Canadian. PRs are NOT Canadian. I personally had similar situation as screech and i believe it happens with a lot of people. Once you start living here, you start to think like Canadian and your heart says you are Canadian. But in reality you are not unless you have Citizenship certificate. Happened to me, i felt/thought like i'm Canadian for many years, but sudden self-realization brought me to reality that no-one is a Canadian unless you are citizen.

It reminds me an incident when somebody was telling somebody else (which i overheard) "You are a Canadian, once you are in Canada" doesn't matter your status. So not true.

Really!!! My PR wife feels like a Canadian. So the line you heard "You are a Canadian, once you are in Canada" does apply as an expression to mean that PR can do anything a Canadian can do. The only way I can see that your thought that it is not true is if the Charter of Rights and Freedom and the Constitution doesn't apply to PR and only to Canadian citizens.

 

[CanadianCountry]

"My PR wife feels like a Canadian." I know you have to respect what your wife thinks, so would i. But that doesn't make it right, in my opinion.

In my opinion, i don't want to fool myself to believe i'm Canadian when i'm not able to write per legal sense i'm Canadian. My nationality is still my home country. I'm a legal permanent resident of Canada, but nationality has not changed.

Some people feel happy to believe they are Canadian while they are on PR, good for them. I don't want to fool myself.

Really!!! My PR wife feels like a Canadian. So the line you heard "You are a Canadian, once you are in Canada" does apply since PR can do just about everything a Canadian can do. The only way I can see that your thought that it is not true is if the Charter of Rights and Freedom and the Constitution doesn't apply to PR and only to Canadian citizens.

 

[MUFC]

I'm also a PR but I know that it is very possible in the near future to lose that status, so practically I am not Canadian.

 

[CanadianCountry]

"You are a Canadian, once you are in Canada" does apply as an expression to mean that PR can do anything a Canadian can do"

Once i'm able to write legally and say per legal sense that my nationality is Canadian, then i will start telling myself, yes i'm now Canadian, not before that.

Example:
1. A Canadian citizen can write on any legal paper that his nationality is Canadian. No issue.
2. A PR cannot write on any legal paper/doc that his nationality is Canadian. Write and get penalized for misrepresentation. So you see.

Really!!! My PR wife feels like a Canadian. So the line you heard "You are a Canadian, once you are in Canada" does apply as an expression to mean that PR can do anything a Canadian can do. The only way I can see that your thought that it is not true is if the Charter of Rights and Freedom and the Constitution doesn't apply to PR and only to Canadian citizens.