Citizenship test: Collective action required, or expect endless delays, years. Example of the effective lobbyng of people awaiting spousal sponsorship

[CaBeaver]

It has been and will be the least priority of the Conservatives to care about immigrants. Let us not forget about the changes they made towards citizenship and physical residency.

I don't think any of the current political parties will ever fix the issue. It is the legal actions where things could get a little bit relieved.

I think public pressure through media is a more effective way. Legal actions can take years in the courts.

 

[luvtrump]

I think public pressure through media is a more effective way. Legal actions can take years in the courts.

till now no media pressure has been effective.

 

[freediagram]

I think public pressure through media is a more effective way. Legal actions can take years in the courts.

I reached out to my lawyer and he is referring me to an immigration lawyer and I am going to talk to them but I still think shaming IRCC on social media using the information we already have is an effective way.
from the document posted in this thread, IRCC does care about its perception in the eyes of the public.
page 40 of the document (page 4 of protected B) :

Media attention to e-apps has been minimal, however, on social media, there have been about five questions per month in the last few months, mostly clients asking if they can apply online. Following the pilot launch of 180 e-applications, there was some chatter on social media criticizing IRCC for the discrepancy between processing times of these e-applications (2-3 months) as compared to paper applications (over a year). There is also intermittent negative media attention to the backlog of citizenship grant applications.

but frankly, there has not been a coherent action done by people who have been waiting. We need stuff like a Twitter storm, for example, to agree on a hashtag and ask IRCC to process early applicants from 2019 and 2020. Everyone needs to be on Twitter twitting once a day asking IRCC to get it together. Like we have a thread for every month. We have threads for people waiting for tests, waiting for DM, waiting for an oath, people can go to these threads and inform people about the hashtag. I think stuff like this works. many people on this site don't check this thread. I don't blame them, we tend to go off-topic and bicker and argue.

 

[anton1990]

Reminder: there is more than a little trolling going on here . . . easy enough to spot the troll, they post things like "to go up, go down." Further explanation should not be necessary. Ostracization appropriate (usually no need to respond to trolling).

As usual, I will be voting strategically (this will be the third Federal election I vote in), which happens to be for the party that generally provides the best support for immigrants . . . my preference, however, is for the NDP, which historically has usually been the front runner in my riding, up until the first election in which I could vote when strategic voting became more of an imperative in Canada (there is no doubt, none whatsoever, that a Conservative government is the WORST outcome for immigrants, and for most Canadians generally). While the NDP has some MPs (such as Jenny Kwan) who are strong supporters of immigrants, as a party the conflict between labour union interests and some immigration policies results in some platform compromises that do not support immigrants as uniformly as the Liberals.

Hey

I found this on the web - every party talks how they want to improve immigration.

NDP only talks about refugees and parents/grandparents. Is this improving immigration system?



https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ci...arties-say-about-immigration-0818986.html/amp

 

[anton1990]

It was terrible at the end of Harper reign. He put all the eggs in the oil basket and the economy promptly crashed and burned when oil prices collapsed.

Hi

I found a document that explains deficit

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...sQFnoECCIQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2RaMiwq4RLUyqlM7TK4tTB

Again, we can thank liberal government for inflating CAD. Printing money calling it CERB only did it worse for everybody

 

[luvtrump]

Hey

I found this on the web - every party talks how they want to improve immigration.

NDP only talks about refugees and parents/grandparents. Is this improving immigration system?



https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ci...arties-say-about-immigration-0818986.html/amp

Conservative plan is pretty reasonable. Turdope has nothing in his hands lol

 

[prash42]

This post is not meant as a criticism, but as an observation based on my personal experiences having worked 20 years in 6 countries / 3 continents. Canada is a kind society, and well-suited to many people.

Canada's economic woes go beyond liberal or conservative governments. Businesses run on a more bloated cost structure than their American peers, regulations are pretty severe (though there are pros and cons to this), the domestic market is generally not big enough for disruptive business models to make entrepreneurs wealthy even if they hit the ball out of the park, venture funding is shallow, hiring the right people isn't always easy, etc etc. One can go on.

Basically, those with burning ambition find themselves capped out fairly quickly, and if you're an entrepreneur with a brilliant idea, your odds are better south of the border. Personally know an immigrant entrepreneur who is moderately successful in Canada, but when he expanded to just a couple of states within the US, the exact same business idea turned out to be a smashing hit. This is somebody with global credentials, who can choose to live anywhere in the world. He still likes and appreciates Canada, especially as a country to raise a family.

Same is also true of professional employment in fast-paced industries like tech, and broadly speaking also managerial roles across industries. Canada lacks depth in the employment market, for the ambitious. This is of course a generalization, and there are impressive outliers like Shopify. But how many unicorns has Canada produced? Bangalore probably has more.

I am looking beyond immigration.

Canadian economy is very bad right now. How was it before liberals got in?

 

[fr72]

Hi

I found a document that explains deficit

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...sQFnoECCIQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2RaMiwq4RLUyqlM7TK4tTB

Again, we can thank liberal government for inflating CAD. Printing money calling it CERB only did it worse for everybody

Deficits were also high just after WW2 and so was inflation. Yet, everyone agrees that 50s was one of the most prosperous decades in North American history.

CERB was excellent and much needed. We should make it permanent. I am sure conservatives had similar objections when medicare was first introduced. US right wingers still object to universal healthcare. Its the conservative nature to resist improvements to life.

We should go one step ahead and introduce UBI. Workers having more bargaining power is always good.

 

[fr72]

Conservative plan is pretty reasonable. Turdope has nothing in his hands lol

Name calling. Mature.

 

[fr72]

Hey

I found this on the web - every party talks how they want to improve immigration.

NDP only talks about refugees and parents/grandparents. Is this improving immigration system?



https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ci...arties-say-about-immigration-0818986.html/amp

Lol. Who trusts 'promises'? We can only go by what has actually be done by these parties in the past. And @dpenabill laid out what Harper did to harm immigrants.

 

[anton1990]

Deficits were also high just after WW2 and so was inflation. Yet, everyone agrees that 50s was one of the most prosperous decades in North American history.

CERB was excellent and much needed. We should make it permanent. I am sure conservatives had similar objections when medicare was first introduced. US right wingers still object to universal healthcare. Its the conservative nature to resist improvements to life.

We should go one step ahead and introduce UBI. Workers having more bargaining power is always good.

Permanent? At whose expense? Liberals?

Money is inflated and this one of the reasons why people cannot afford houses

 

[fr72]

Permanent? At whose expense? Liberals?

Money is inflated and this one of the reasons why people cannot afford houses

Yes, permanent. At the expense of all taxpayers, including me. Lack of supply is the major reason for high house prices. That and flipping.

 

[fr72]

Those who dont like socialism are welcome to move to the US. Oh wait...right wing politics goes hand in hand with anti immigration policies and none of you can get into the US

 

[prash42]

Socialism and capitalism are over-simplified monikers for those that find the details too cumbersome. I support UBI and universal healthcare, but struggle with an excessively unionized workforce which plays a role in (a) our economy becoming less competitive vs the outside world, (b) Canadians being forced to accept sub-par services. For example, I'd happily support a voucher system with the option to send our kids to private school, than be held to ransom by TDSB's teachers union. Separately, there a bunch of reasons why entrepreneurs have it far from easy in Canada... alluded to some in my earlier post.

If Canada's primary value proposition is that the US is a bleeding mess on healthcare and immigration policy, we will have a problem when that ceases to be the case. It will happen before know it. And btw, I wouldn't make America out to be some anti-immigrant place. Being against illegal immigrants from Latin America doesn't make Americans anti-immigrant. Canada can afford to be all woke about this, since we don't have a 2000 mile land border with Mexico to deal with. With 15.4% of its population foreign born, America has welcomed immigrants for a long long time. Admittedly lower than Canada's 21.3%. But if the US replaces H-1B with a points-based system comparable to ours, Canada will struggle to attract talent. Be careful what you wish for, or you may get it.

Those who dont like socialism are welcome to move to the US. Oh wait...right wing politics goes hand in hand with anti immigration policies and none of you can get into the US

 

[anton1990]

Those who dont like socialism are welcome to move to the US. Oh wait...right wing politics goes hand in hand with anti immigration policies and none of you can get into the US

Where does it say that canada is socialist country? Yes liberals want to convert it