Bill C-24 Second Reading on February 27th:

[citizenshiper]

i don't think there is anything wrong with your lawyer's advice.

you will not be able to file your application on July 10 for sure, as the bill will be passed then and you will not be qualified to apply under the new law.

if you meet the basic resident requirement, you can just apply and leave it for the judge to decide whether you will be qualified. the lawyer should do his job and argue for you in front of the judge. it may take some time but it is better than waiting for another two years with uncertainty.

some ppl hold very stubborn opinion towards <1095 physical days. in usual circumstances i would not recommend this either. but in this case, you are weighing between "signing intent to reside + waiting for another 2 yrs before application" vs "longer wait time and seeing a judge." I am more worried about your to-be-expired passport than the day counts.

sicko86 & chakrab thank you both, I have been thinking about this all last night. I just told him to cancel the application as I will wait till I have my 1095 days but unfortunately he will not give me back my money, he only cares about getting the payments not what is right for me. he told me the law will be 100% passed next week and I will loss my chance he is causing me more stress then any thing els in the world

 

[sicko86]

i don't think there is anything wrong with your lawyer's advice.

you will not be able to file your application on July 10 for sure, as the bill will be passed then and you will not be qualified to apply under the new law.

if you meet the basic resident requirement, you can just apply and leave it for the judge to decide whether you will be qualified. the lawyer should do his job and argue for you in front of the judge. it may take some time but it is better than waiting for another two years with uncertainty.

some ppl hold very stubborn opinion towards <1095 physical days. in usual circumstances i would not recommend this either. but in this case, you are weighing between "signing intent to reside + waiting for another 2 yrs before application" vs "longer wait time and seeing a judge." I am more worried about your to-be-expired passport than the day counts.

Wrong .. The Law wont come into force directly!!!!!!!!!

 

[citizenshiper]

it is all just a gamble.

i myself would not put such a high stake on slim-chance outcome.

Wrong .. The Law wont come into force directly!!!!!!!!!

 

[sicko86]

it is all just a gamble.

i myself would not put such a high stake on slim-chance outcome.

It is not a gamble .. the parliament is not a casino! ... The Bill Clearly mention that it won't come into force immediately, (it will come into force on a day by the order of the council) go so some research and you will find that no Bill ever has came into force in matter of days.

Go Check all Previous Citizenship acts .. it took 6 months to a year for them to come into force.

 

[citizenshiper]

don't be mad at me. i would be very happy if what you said it true.

but "a day set by the order of council" really does not guarantee it is not 1 or 2 days immediately after the royal assent, particularly given Chris's attitude.

when checking previous acts, i did not expected the bill to be passed so quickly also. there are just too many unconventional things in the process of c24, and i really cannot depend upon historical wisdom on my decision making.

It is not a gamble .. the parliament is not a casino! ... The Bill Clearly mention that it won't come into force immediately, (it will come into force on a day by the order of the council) go so some research and you will find that no Bill ever has came into force in matter of days.

Go Check all Previous Citizenship acts .. it took 6 months to a year for them to come into force.

 

[sicko86]

don't be mad at me. i would be very happy if what you said it true.

but "a day set by the order of council" really does not guarantee it is not 1 or 2 days immediately after the royal assent, particularly given Chris's attitude.

when checking previous acts, i did not expected the bill to be passed so quickly also. there are just too many unconventional things in the process of c24, and i really cannot depend upon historical wisdom on my decision making.

It is impossible to be in 1 or 2 days! Never Happend .. and Chris Alexander can't interfere with the Royal Assent and Coming into force part.

 

[on-hold]

You guys are leading this applicant down the wrong road -- these are his real choices:

1) file before 1095 days -- their file goes into the non-routine, RQ, must-see-a-judge stream, and they wait for 48 months and is very likely rejected and has to apply again.

2) file when they reache the correct time. If that is before the bill goes into effect, 3/4 years physical presence in Canada. If that is after the bill goes into effect, 4/6 years physical presence in Canada.


Stop telling them #1 is a good idea.

i don't think there is anything wrong with your lawyer's advice.

you will not be able to file your application on July 10 for sure, as the bill will be passed then and you will not be qualified to apply under the new law.

if you meet the basic resident requirement, you can just apply and leave it for the judge to decide whether you will be qualified. the lawyer should do his job and argue for you in front of the judge. it may take some time but it is better than waiting for another two years with uncertainty.

some ppl hold very stubborn opinion towards <1095 physical days. in usual circumstances i would not recommend this either. but in this case, you are weighing between "signing intent to reside + waiting for another 2 yrs before application" vs "longer wait time and seeing a judge." I am more worried about your to-be-expired passport than the day counts.

 

[CanV]

don't mind him. he has a habit of getting personal with ppl.

Its probably because he isbin the country illegally and hate PRs ;D

 

[sicko86]

You guys are leading this applicant down the wrong road -- these are his real choices:

1) file before 1095 days -- his file goes into the non-routine, RQ, must-see-a-judge stream, and he waits for 48 months and is very likely rejected and has to apply again.

2) file when he reaches the correct time. If that is before the bill goes into effect, 3/4 years physical presence in Canada. If that is after the bill goes into effect, 4/6 years physical presence in Canada.


Stop telling them #1 is a good idea.

I agree filing with less than 1095 will lead to RQ which will be worse than (2) and longer thats assuming (2) came into force directly which will not happen

 

[txboyscout]

Ok the bill will be effective the date Harper wants it to go into effect

One the bill passes both houses it goes to the Governor-in-council for Royal assent and publication in the gazzette... The Governor in Council includes the PM and the cabinet who decide when a bill takes effect

CIC is well aware that a lot of people will try to apply before they meet the requirements, hoping that by the time they get to the CJ hearing they will have met the requirements, I think all these applications will be rejected at Sydney

 

[thepolestar]

don't be mad at me. i would be very happy if what you said it true.

but "a day set by the order of council" really does not guarantee it is not 1 or 2 days immediately after the royal assent, particularly given Chris's attitude.

when checking previous acts, i did not expected the bill to be passed so quickly also. there are just too many unconventional things in the process of c24, and i really cannot depend upon historical wisdom on my decision making.

I agree. Nothing is happening usual with bill C-24.

I already said that last night and it is happening right now. The bill will clear the second reading so that the committee has few days ( 1 or 2 ) for so called clause by clause discussion. There would be no change because the senate cannot even afford to do any change now. If the senate even change a single word they will have to get an approval from HOC again which won't be sitting next week.

If the opposition members in the senate can just find "ONE" single technical error in the bill. I am saying technical because all other substantive changes would be rejected by the government. So if there is one valid technical error found on the bill, the committee will have to recommend back to HOC for correction and this is the only way to slow down the bill before summer break other than that there is no chance.

So, let's pray. :'( :'(

 

[Tolerance]

It is impossible to be in 1 or 2 days! Never Happend .. and Chris Alexander can't interfere with the Royal Assent and Coming into force part.

In a manner of speaking, Alexander IS the Governor-in-council. Governor-in-Council is just an expression for the Cabinet (=government, =Harper, =Alexander). They probably already decided on implementation days, just waiting for the 'legislative' process to be completed.

The only reason nobody knows the dates is because Harper and Alexander have not told the public yet.

This is not to say there is not a chance the implementation might start in six months, like someone said. But I bet the Cabinet has already decided on the dates.

 

[txboyscout]

I agree filing with less than 1095 will lead to RQ which will be worse than (2) and longer thats assuming (2) came into force directly which will not happen

IT wont get to RQ---central intake in Sydeny will send the application back saying does not meet requirements

 

[civic]

I agree filing with less than 1095 will lead to RQ which will be worse than (2) and longer thats assuming (2) came into force directly which will not happen

Hi there, I think you should calm down. Try to limit our firm assurances on things like this. Nobody can tell. Of course we dont want to see it pass in such a short time, we hope it even be scrapped. But really, nobody can tell, whether the opinion will please you or not. I guess thats the nature of life, we don't get everything we want. I wish you good luck and can make it through.

 

[shaazdeh]

Hi there, I think you should calm down. Try to limit our firm assurances on things like this. Nobody can tell. Of course we dont want to see it pass in such a short time, we hope it even be scrapped. But really, nobody can tell, whether the opinion will please you or not. I guess thats the nature of life, we don't get everything we want. I wish you good luck and can make it through.

Civi, I think you are applying today. Congratulations on surviving Bill C-24, I hope you don't forget us