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The difference between H&C APPLICANT and PROTECTED PERSON
A successful H&C applicant becomes a permanent resident. Unlike a protected person, they do not risk losing their permanent resident status only because they travel to or get a passport from their country of nationality.

A protected person who becomes a permanent resident could lose their status as a protected person and permanent resident if they voluntarily go back under the protection of their country of nationality. This could happen if they travel to or get a passport from that country. They could then be forced to leave Canada.
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Hello Everyone,

I have a concern.
I made my refugee claim in mid-2018. Got my work permit and everything I needed to start work.
I have been working as home support work and a community support worker since 2019.
Gracefully, this new route opened up for refugee claimants who are working in the care field.

I applied in March, 2021 for my PR through the Health-Care Workers Permanent Residence Pathway.
I sent all required information/ document (also attached a letter stating that if any information or clarity is needed to please let me know). Only to receive an email saying that my application did not go through without pointing out a clear reason why.

This is really saddening to me and others I know.

Why are they treating refugee health workers like this?

I need suggestions to resolving this. Any pointers or assistance will be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.
I'm sorry about your experience.
Did you provide direct care? And did your employer give you supporting letter that outlines your duties? Did you work between March 14 2020 till August 2020 ..I wish you found out early about the refusal so you can know the reasons and re-apply. The pathway is closing tomorrow.
 

vick_kenny

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Seem.you dont understand what AOR or AIP means.

After submitting your Pathway application ,were you sent an email acknowledging they received it before they sent you a refusal or rejection email?

They sent me an acknowledgement email on the 10th of March, 2021.

Then they emailed me saying ""you did not work in Canada in one or more designated occupations providing direct patient care in a hospital, public or private long-term care home or assisted living facility, or for an organization/ agency providing home or residential health care services to seniors and persons with disabilities in private home".

This is not accurate because I did work with an organization providing home/ residential health care services and also in a day program.
I am not sure, they treated my application the way they did.
 
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They sent me an acknowledgement email on the 10th of March, 2021.

Then they emailed me saying ""you did not work in Canada in one or more designated occupations providing direct patient care in a hospital, public or private long-term care home or assisted living facility, or for an organization/ agency providing home or residential health care services to seniors and persons with disabilities in private home".

This is not accurate because I did work with an organization providing home/ residential health care services and also in a day program.
I am not sure, they treated my application the way they did.
initially,you stated they did not give reasons why your application was denied which they did.

I assume when you filled you application you made some errors.
If truly you gave direct care,there is no reason they will deny you.

Just so you know,they might have called your employer to verify your claim.

If you are genuinely sure you meet all criteria for this application and you were denied,speak to a Lawyer tomorrow about your case and reply same tomorrow as August 31st is the deadline.
 
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vick_kenny

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I'm sorry about your experience.
Did you provide direct care? And did your employer give you supporting letter that outlines your duties? Did you work between March 14 2020 till August 2020 ..I wish you found out early about the refusal so you can know the reasons and re-apply. The pathway is closing tomorrow.
Thank you for your concern.

Yes, I did provide direct care in a residential group home and also provided direct care (as part of my duties) on my other job in a day program.
Yes, I have been working in the residential group (Residential Support Worker) and day program (Community Support Worker) since 2019.

This is the dilemma. Why do we have to miss out on a rare opportunity because of an Incorrect Decision by the agent who viewed my application?

I will try to see if I can resend my application but this is disheartening considering the life risk I took working with exposed persons and immune compromised persons needing support in the heat of a deadly pandemic and be treated this way.

I don't understand
 

Bukols

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They sent me an acknowledgement email on the 10th of March, 2021.

Then they emailed me saying ""you did not work in Canada in one or more designated occupations providing direct patient care in a hospital, public or private long-term care home or assisted living facility, or for an organization/ agency providing home or residential health care services to seniors and persons with disabilities in private home".

This is not accurate because I did work with an organization providing home/ residential health care services and also in a day program.
I am not sure, they treated my application the way they did.
It’s a tough one, I will advise you call immigration or send a web form. Attach all necessary documents, hopefully they can look into your matter again. I heard it happened to some one before, but he got lucky and was approved after a month of reviewing. Just a sad thing everything closes tmrw. But do not loose hope pls
 
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Bukols

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Thank you for your concern.

Yes, I did provide direct care in a residential group home and also provided direct care (as part of my duties) on my other job in a day program.
Yes, I have been working in the residential group (Residential Support Worker) and day program (Community Support Worker) since 2019.

This is the dilemma. Why do we have to miss out on a rare opportunity because of an Incorrect Decision by the agent who viewed my application?

I will try to see if I can resend my application but this is disheartening considering the life risk I took working with exposed persons and immune compromised persons needing support in the heat of a deadly pandemic and be treated this way.

I don't understand
If your resend tmrw, it might get to them by Friday. Not sure if that’s gonna be allowed.
 

Apovine

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Thank you for your concern.

Yes, I did provide direct care in a residential group home and also provided direct care (as part of my duties) on my other job in a day program.
Yes, I have been working in the residential group (Residential Support Worker) and day program (Community Support Worker) since 2019.

This is the dilemma. Why do we have to miss out on a rare opportunity because of an Incorrect Decision by the agent who viewed my application?

I will try to see if I can resend my application but this is disheartening considering the life risk I took working with exposed persons and immune compromised persons needing support in the heat of a deadly pandemic and be treated this way.

I don't understand
I really feel your pain.Please fire them back tomorrow.
After meeting Lawyer tomorrow morning,make sure you Fax them all your documents to me them to meet the deadline.
Also send them all your documents via UPS or DHl,hopefully by Wednesday it should get there.
 

vick_kenny

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initially,you stated they did not give reasons why your application was denied which they did.

I assume when you filled you application you made some errors.
If truly you gave direct care,there is no reason they will deny you.

Just so you know,they might have called your employer to verify your claim.

If you are genuinely sure you meet all criteria for this application and you were denied,speak to a Lawyer tomorrow about your case and reply same tomorrow as August 31st is the deadline.

Thank you for your input.
I will do what I can tomorrow.
I am not sure why things happened the way it did. My employer also attached a detailed letter if they need further information to contact them as well, alongside Confirmation of employment information.

I will see what happens after I resend the application.
 

vick_kenny

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If your resend tmrw, it might get to them by Friday. Not sure if that’s gonna be allowed.
It is painful to have to see myself get nothing after all my dark times working in fear of covid-19.
I don't know if there is a way to ask for a reviewed of my application
 

Bukols

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It is painful to have to see myself get nothing after all my dark times working in fear of covid-19.
I don't know if there is a way to ask for a reviewed of my application
There is, some one told me about a guy who had similar issues. Try send a new application tmrw, and do a follow up on the refused application. God will see you thru
 
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Lolly smiles

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Amen!

Thank you.

I will do so
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Please check your NOC code also.make sure it matches your duties,emphasis on direct care and
Amen!

Thank you.

I will do so
Did you know that you can request for your file to be reconsired too.. Send email to Vancouver and raise valid points about your duties,NOC code and make sure your duties matches with your NOC code,emphasize on direct care. List all facts with a detailed explanation, dates and humbly request for them to please reconsider your application as you belive that you should be awarded PR through this pathway.
If possible to that tonight so they can have it tomorrow morning. Reconsideration are an informal way of asking them to revisit your file. They're not obliged to do that so you really have to be humble and use a good tone and fight for your PR...Wishing you all the best
 

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Amen!

Thank you.

I will do so
If you are sure you met all the requirements. Worked minimum of 120 hours between March 13 to August 14
They sent me an acknowledgement email on the 10th of March, 2021.

Then they emailed me saying ""you did not work in Canada in one or more designated occupations providing direct patient care in a hospital, public or private long-term care home or assisted living facility, or for an organization/ agency providing home or residential health care services to seniors and persons with disabilities in private home".

This is not accurate because I did work with an organization providing home/ residential health care services and also in a day program.
I am not sure, they treated my application the way they did.
You should have contacted your employer and also talk to a lawyer when they sent you this particular email and you knew you meet all the requirements. Instead of waiting until they refused the application.
Probably the content of the letter from your employer was not detailed enough or they might have contacted your employer and got conflicting information.
 

vick_kenny

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Did you know that you can request for your file to be reconsired too.. Send email to Vancouver and raise valid points about your duties,NOC code and make sure your duties matches with your NOC code,emphasize on direct care. List all facts with a detailed explanation, dates and humbly request for them to please reconsider your application as you belive that you should be awarded PR through this pathway.
If possible to that tonight so they can have it tomorrow morning. Reconsideration are an informal way of asking them to revisit your file. They're not obliged to do that so you really have to be humble and use a good tone and fight for your PR...Wishing you all the best

Thank you so much for the insight. I appreciate it.
 

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Please accept my apology in advance if I fail to offer useful commentary here. I was not an asylum claimant and asylum cases are generally outside what I follow (will explain my interest and involvement here, now, below).

Note, too, my observations tend to go long. Many will probably prefer to scroll on by my in-depth discussion.

One more disclaimer, another request to accept my apologies in advance: I realize that for many asylum claimants English is not easy. Unfortunately, I have difficulty writing about this stuff in short, direct statements. My style may be difficult to understand EVEN for someone who has spent a lifetime using the English language including at the university and graduate school level, let alone someone who is relatively new to English. I am a very old-school long-form writer, with bad habits too hard to break. I will try to be clear but, well, that's not my forte.

The observations I have to offer are in response to a particular incident in which it has been reported, by @Tite2020, that an individual who obtained PR via this path (for exceptional service by asylum claimants) was denied entry into Canada after spending time in that individual's home country, as discussed here in recent days. There are some important unknown elements regarding that incident, but I am focusing on what appears to be a key underlying issue involving cessation of status on the grounds of reavailment of home country protection, based on travel to the home country, BUT that in turn, in contrast, raises concern that the cessation provisions should NOT apply to a PR who obtained PR status via this exceptional service path (which I understand is closing today).

I hope I can address the loss-of-status matter without too badly disrupting the more recent discussion regarding the difficult dilemma reported by @vick_kenny, a situation regarding which, unfortunately, I cannot offer much at all.


Cessation of status on grounds of reavailment (including that evidenced by a return to the home country):

It may be helpful to offer some background. I have been following cessation of protected person status cases affecting PRs since the summer of 2015, focused on PR-refugees who would be eligible for citizenship except for the cessation of their protected person status. I have, accordingly, posted a good deal about this subject, including citations and links to scores of official sources of information, including numerous accounts of actual cases as officially reported in judicial decisions. For example, see: https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/refugee-status-cessation-and-prs-applying-for-citizenship.333455/

But I am NOT an expert in this subject. Not even close. (Frankly, it appears there are rather few who are experts in this subject.) And until I became aware of the incident reported here by @Tite2020, a key aspect of the cessation of status based on reavailment cases I generally skimmed over, and did not give much thought, is the question about precisely WHO is subject to the loss of status, the cessation of status, for reavailment. I notice there are some comments including opinions about this expressed in posts above, but no one citing any authority or source.

So, that is one of the key issues. Assuming the individual in the report by @Tite2020 was in fact a Permanent Resident, and obtained that status via this special, exceptional service path, most of the comments above suggest that this PR should not have been subject to cessation of status for having visited the home country. I am not prepared to offer a definitive answer to this question, but will note my initial review of the relevant law leans to the contrary, that individuals granted PR via this pathway might very well be considered PRs with protected person status subject to the cessation provisions in IRPA, which are in section 108(1) IRPA, including subsection 108(1)(a), the provision making reavailment of home country protection grounds for cessation; see https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/I-2.5/page-20.html#h-275708

It is a complicated issue. It might not be a settled question. Just for a glimpse of how complicated this question can be, see, for example, the Federal Court of Appeal decision in the Siddiqui v. Canada case, 2016 FCA 134, [2017] 1 FCR 56, https://canlii.ca/t/grsb2

(A Federal Court decision also illustrating the complexity of the "WHO" is subject to cessation question is Justice Fuhrer's decision in Camayo v. Canada, 2020 FC 213, [2020] 2 FCR 575, https://canlii.ca/t/j54n9 but the substantive issue may not be particularly relevant to the special path to PR situation.)

The Siddiqui case is so important in regards to WHO is subject to cessation IRCC has published a summary of the case, which is here: https://canliiconnects.org/en/summaries/61836

Part of what is stated there should raise some concern. For example, it states:
"There is no reason why the principle of reavailment and its associated criteria should vary according to the route by which status as a protected person is originally obtained."​

Now that decision is not specifically about the route by which asylum claimants are given a "pathway" to PR in recognition of exceptional service related to covid. But the gist of Siddiqui's claim was that the reavailment provision did not apply to him and that "by virtue of his permanent resident status which he gained on arrival in Canada, was excluded from cessation proceedings. He contended that the RPD decision was flawed as the Board did not correctly understand that [he] was not a Convention refugee."

In particular, Siddiqui argued that "his status as a protected person was lost when he was granted permanent resident status, and, as such, section 108 cannot apply." To which the Federal Court of Appeal ruled: "This argument has no support in the statute."

I am NOT suggesting this settles the question. Again, I am NO expert in this stuff. But absent a defining statement of authority that individuals who obtain PR via this exceptional service pathway are not still considered to be protected persons or more specifically that subsection 108(1)(a) does not apply to them, anyone who has obtained PR status via this pathway would be prudent to exercise a great deal of caution before obtaining or renewing a home country passport, and especially cautious about traveling to the home country.

To my view, the question needs further research, BUT in the meantime, those who have obtained PR via this path should be careful.

Otherwise, however, this does not explain what happened in the incident reported by @Tite2020:

A friend of my friend obtained PR through this pathway and decided to travel to his home country where he claimed he was persecuted on a direct flight. Unfortunately for him, he was denied entry back into canada at the port of entry, that he violated the PR card. Please let us be mindful of how we do things on this humanitarian application.
Some have said there must be more to the story. That is almost certainly the case. As reported, the story does not compute. A PR must be allowed to enter Canada at the PoE. This is so clear, so well-settled, it is not at all likely a PR would be denied entry at a PoE even by a rogue officer. Possible, sure, stuff-happens, but highly unlikely.

Nonetheless, whatever the story, however the situation came to be what it was, it has raised the question about WHO is actually subject to losing status for traveling to the home country. Which is not an easily answered question in some scenarios.