Flagpolling at St Pierre and Miquelon?

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Interesting counterpoint, if I'm understanding correctly: https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/flagpoling-from-ferry-terminal-newfoundland.745439/

Also, I'd like to point out that this group seems to have a stricter definition of flagpolling than I've seen elsewhere. For example, from this new article on the practice, https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/flagpoling-border-services-1.5444154

> Flagpoling is the nickname for when foreign nationals with a temporary status leave Canada and immediately re-enter to get same-day immigration services.

Seems to cover both the "administrative refusal" case but also cases like what Heather Lee wanted to attempt. Unless there's legal definition of the term somewhere, I think this is reasonable.

I got a similar warning when I went to the boarder back before covid to get a new work permit - as a US citizen I could easily re-enter the US and turn around and go back, but was told that I should stay for at least a few hours to avoid being seen as flagpolling.

It does make sense to distinguish between the two though, so when we need do so, I suppose that I'd call the former "administrative refusal flagpolling" or just "strict flagpolling" and the latter a new term like "entrypolling" (since you are entering another country before turning around).

So the above would be entrypolling. And from the link from Naturgrl's post #5 it seems you don't actually need a visa for France to do it - apparently the ferries will let you in with just a PR card or a Canadian driver's license or Canadian ID card (I'm guessing this refers to ID cards like https://www.ontario.ca/page/ontario-photo-card ) - and provided your stay is less than 90 days, which is the case if you're immediately heading back. (Okay, so you probably don't have a PR card if you're considering flagpolling - but I can see folks easily having a DL if they drive or the photo ID if they don't.) So this is actually very helpful for nationalities who would otherwise need to spend a lot of time waiting for visa approval from France.

Curious to hear if anyone has on this thread has gone through with it and done it successfully. Especially from folks who would normally need to apply for a visa to visit France.

This group does not have a stricter definition of flagpoling. We are specially talking about the Saint Pierre and Miquelon crossing which is very different than a land border crossing.

 

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We are specially talking about the Saint Pierre and Miquelon crossing which is very different than a land border crossing.

Agreed, this is why I wanted to see if anyone has tried it. Because it's a water crossing via ferry instead of a land border crossing; and also it is dealing with France rather than the US on the other side.

This group does not have a stricter definition of flagpoling.

On reflection, that actually does not cover you. After all, you referred to what Heather Lee and the OP were attempting as flagpolling in your #16 post, https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/flagpolling-at-st-pierre-and-miquelon.819735/page-2#post-10580307

It's more other folks posts on this thread, for example https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/flagpolling-at-st-pierre-and-miquelon.819735/page-2#post-10580312 which explicitly excludes using the ferry with a valid Franch visa from the definition of flagpolling.