WHEN YOUR PARENT SPONSORSHIP 2014 APPLICATION REACHED CPC-M? UPDATE HERE...

[Rob_TO]

congrats to those who get choosen. My unlucky story below

submitted on 2nd Jan
received on 3rd Jan at CPC

They reject & send back on 11th Jan : reason no NOA for 2010
I am earning 6 digit salary for last 3 1/2 years and paying canada govt huges taxes.
I resend the application with NOA of 2010 attached. They receive my application second time today 28th.
But I doubt it will be accepted.

NOA of 2010 only contains around 40k since I only work /come to canada later half of year.

Note that LICO for 2010 assuming family size of 2 is 35,881, and family size of 3 is $44,113. If your partial-2010 income is not suitable to meet the LICO required for your family size, then it's much better than you wait until Jan 2015 anyways to apply.

Even if you make it into the 5000 cap, there is a very high chance you will get rejected anyways when they actually analyze your 2010 NOA and see that you didn't meet LICO for that year. This may not happen until 2015 or 2016, meaning you would miss out on the chance to apply for your parents in Jan 2015 when you actually qualify.

 

[PMM]

Hi

I am sorry that you were rejected on account of not having an NOA for 2010 with your application. Hopefully your application will get accepted assuming you still meet the 2010 LICO despite working half year in 2010.

Screech339

Unless he has a co-signer $40K in 2010 is insufficient to meet the LICO for 3 people.

 

[screech339]

Hi


Unless he has a co-signer $40K in 2010 is insufficient to meet the LICO for 3 people.

I wasn't aware that his salary in 2010 was 40K. So yes, unless he has a co-signer to make up the difference, it is moot point in sending it in again.

Screech339

 

[jhutti]

my 2010 NOA for 40K is not sufficent. I require around 68k as family of 6. I did not add my spouse salary as she was homemaker at that time.
Any way I did not include my spouse as co-sponser ,as her salary is not really required later these years to satisfy LICO criteria
My only hope is if they do accept( caps not reached) my application based on documentation.
Then I will pass them 2013 NOA asap without them asking for it as I have UCI number.

 

[screech339]

my 2010 NOA for 40K is not sufficent. I require around 68k as family of 6. I did not add my spouse salary as she was homemaker at that time.
Any way I did not include my spouse as co-sponser ,as her salary is not really required later these years to satisfy LICO criteria
My only hope is if they do accept( caps not reached) my application based on documentation.
Then I will pass them 2013 NOA asap without them asking for it as I have UCI number.

Hate to tell you this but you still didn't meet the 2010 lico requirement. You are trying to submit application on a wish that 2013 Lico come out later for 2014. I have my doubt that CIC will continue with the process despite if you did get in on the 5000 cap for 2014. They are only adding to the cap for completed applications regardless if they meet lico or not. Once CIC sees that you do not meet 2010 lico, they will simply reject it. You are hoping that CIC will turn a blind eye or look the other way to this disqualification after combing the application with a fine tooth comb.

 

[Rob_TO]

my 2010 NOA for 40K is not sufficent. I require around 68k as family of 6. I did not add my spouse salary as she was homemaker at that time.
Any way I did not include my spouse as co-sponser ,as her salary is not really required later these years to satisfy LICO criteria
My only hope is if they do accept( caps not reached) my application based on documentation.
Then I will pass them 2013 NOA asap without them asking for it as I have UCI number.

As i also mentioned above, it may take until well into 2015 or 2016 for CIC to actually analyze your LICO details. As there is a high chance they would reject your application since you didn't meet the LICO requirements at time of app filing date (requiring 2010 LICO), then by the time you finally get notice of rejection you would have missed out applying in 2015 and 2016, and would need to re-apply in 2017.

Compare that to simply waiting until you qualify up-front, and using your 2011, 2012, 2013 NOAs to apply properly in Jan 2015.

As i've also stated, in the grand scheme of PGP program, there will hardly be any difference in the times it takes to get PR for those that applied in Jan 2014 or Jan 2015. Both sets of applicants will most likely be approved/arriving in the same year.

 

[jhutti]

May be you guys know better. In financial evaluation form. I put my salary of 2011, 2012 & 2013. I thought the rules are to satisfy the income
Of preceding 3 tax years( jan to dec tax year) before one send the application. I send the application in year 2014 .
I have including all my salary slips & bank statements for 2013 as proof .

Now I understand , CIC would only consider proof of income in format of “option C form” or NOA. They don’t consider salary slips or bank statements.
That’s what I am hoping that to support 2013 ‘s salary slips & bank statement info as listed in my original application. I will pass them NOA-2013 before they look into my file.

But this all talk is if I am within cap limit

 

[screech339]

May be you guys know better. In financial evaluation form. I put my salary of 2011, 2012 & 2013. I thought the rules are to satisfy the income
Of preceding 3 tax years( jan to dec tax year) before one send the application. I send the application in year 2014 .
I have including all my salary slips & bank statements for 2013 as proof .

Now I understand , CIC would only consider proof of income in format of “option C form” or NOA. They don't consider salary slips or bank statements.
That's what I am hoping that to support 2013 ‘s salary slips & bank statement info as listed in my original application. I will pass them NOA-2013 before they look into my file.

But this all talk is if I am within cap limit

And you are not even including 2010 NOAs? The 2014 applications ask for 2010 to 2012 income. Not 2011-2013. The 2013 lico are not even released yet. CIC can't even compare your 2013 income despite no 2013 NOAs released until probably June.

I think it is a futile attempt. You are better off applying in 2015 jan when you actually have 2011, 2012 and 2013 NOA to show to CIC.

Screech339

 

[user828]

As i also mentioned above, it may take until well into 2015 or 2016 for CIC to actually analyze your LICO details. As there is a high chance they would reject your application since you didn't meet the LICO requirements at time of app filing date (requiring 2010 LICO), then by the time you finally get notice of rejection you would have missed out applying in 2015 and 2016, and would need to re-apply in 2017.

Compare that to simply waiting until you qualify up-front, and using your 2011, 2012, 2013 NOAs to apply properly in Jan 2015.

As i've also stated, in the grand scheme of PGP program, there will hardly be any difference in the times it takes to get PR for those that applied in Jan 2014 or Jan 2015. Both sets of applicants will most likely be approved/arriving in the same year.

If she doesn't meet 2010 LICO, shouldn't they simply return the app now so she can apply ion 2015? or you saying that they will accept a lower 2010 LICO and come calculation time, they will reject it and by that it might be 2016 and she would lose the 2015 app date

Shouldn't CIC return apps which simply don't meet the required income of 2010-2012 right away

 

[Rob_TO]

If she doesn't meet 2010 LICO, shouldn't they simply return the app now so she can apply ion 2015? or you saying that they will accept a lower 2010 LICO and come calculation time, they will reject it and by that it might be 2016 and she would lose the 2015 app date

Shouldn't CIC return apps which simply don't meet the required income of 2010-2012 right away

I believe the initial check is just to check for completeness. So if a 2010, 2011 and 2012 NOA are in the package, it gets accepted and they charge your credit card no matter what the amounts are.

The actual checking of family size, confirming LICOs and seeing if the NOAs exceed that amount, will most likely come during the actual stage 1 processing which could be in 2015 or 2016.

So getting accepted into the 5K cap may be the worst thing for some people that don't really qualify, as it could cause them to miss out on applying in 2015 or 2016 when they would have actually qualified. (Again all this is my interpretation of how CIC will go by the book in assessing the new PGP apps)

 

[screech339]

If she doesn't meet 2010 LICO, shouldn't they simply return the app now so she can apply ion 2015? or you saying that they will accept a lower 2010 LICO and come calculation time, they will reject it and by that it might be 2016 and she would lose the 2015 app date

Shouldn't CIC return apps which simply don't meet the required income of 2010-2012 right away

I 100% agree with the returning the apps upfront if LICOs are not met. But CIC doesn't have the time or resources to look into with with details with 7000 apps coming in first week. It is easier to just make sure all papers are there for completed apps and deal with the details after the cap is reached.

 

[user828]

So basically, it's personal responsibility not to assume or take a chance on this. When they reopened PGP after a hiatus in 2011, they simply asked all the docs and no option C's ( whatever we gave 2-3 years earlier was accepted ), only in some cases, the respective LVO's asked for more financial docs and interestingly to those who were either on EI or had some change in financials, which tells u regardless of us showing the Option C etc, they do keep tabs on their own

However, they changed that for 2009+ apps where the docs do require latest option c so they keep upgrading it

 

[screech339]

So basically, it's personal responsibility not to assume or take a chance on this. When they reopened PGP after a hiatus in 2011, they simply asked all the docs and no option C's ( whatever we gave 2-3 years earlier was accepted ), only in some cases, the respective LVO's asked for more financial docs and interestingly to those who were either on EI or had some change in financials, which tells u regardless of us showing the Option C etc, they do keep tabs on their own

However, they changed that for 2009+ apps where the docs do require latest option c so they keep upgrading it

What is the point you are trying to make in your post? Just trying to understand your post.

 

[user828]

What is the point you are trying to make in your post? Just trying to understand your post.

One needs to be careful applying for PGP ( by not assuming anything such as being short on 2010 or any other years )

The fact that the financials are an ongoing check, CIC does keep tabs

The process changes ( eg., additional docs now have option c as required doc ), it wasn't when for apps before mid June 2009 but then LVO's asked for more financial docs

 

[screech339]

One needs to be careful applying for PGP ( by not assuming anything such as being short on 2010 or any other years )

The fact that the financials are an ongoing check, CIC does keep tabs

The process changes ( eg., additional docs now have option c as required doc ), it wasn't when for apps before mid June 2009 but then LVO's asked for more financial docs

If CIC does in fact keep tabs on financial docs, why those on EIC and PGWP continue to work illegally past their expire dates under the assumption of "implied status" under the inland spousal sponsorhip. Why aren't they all caught. CIC may keep tabs but not in depth as you think they are. This is why CIC now wants option C printout as official proof of income.