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Toward Understanding Bill C-6 to Amend Citizenship Act; new 3/5 rule plus

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Politren said:
I think one of the main reason for that one years grace period was due to the fact that they were not ready with the regulations which established the currently effective internal business channels. The Conservatives still had homework to do before the full implementation.

Now the situation is different because all the infrastructure is already working and the Liberals will continue to use it. So it is pretty possible the grace period to be very short if any.
It is absolutely possible this new amendment Bill to become fully effective before the summer this year. The Conservatives rammed all the stages to Royal Assent in about 4 months in 2014.
The 1 year grace period was given to allow CIC time to train employees and make the necessary changes to documentations, application forms, internal guide books, online calculations, etc etc.
 

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screech339 said:
The 1 year grace period was given to allow CIC time to train employees and make the necessary changes to documentations, application forms, internal guide books, online calculations, etc etc.
Consider that also almost done for the new amendments because now is just a mix between the old and the new current rules. There is nothing new for the clerks to learn.
My point is that the chances for a whole year grace period are too optimistic if this new Bill gets Royal Assent before the summer break.
 

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Good job Liberals keep doing good work so that Con Clowns never come back to give hard time to immigrants. Next electoral reforms bring it on so they are buried forever.
 

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canmozu said:
Good job Liberals keep doing good work so that Con Clowns never come back to give hard time to immigrants. Next electoral reforms bring it on so they are buried forever.
So you agree that the ranked election will favour the liberals. I thought election was suppose to give everyone equal chance at winning election.
 

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It's important to note that the introduction of the 4/6 rule by the Conservatives created a slump in incoming applications, which enabled CIC to process the backlog faster, as the number of new applications was cut so dramatically after the cutover. The Conservatives did not add more resources to process applications faster, they stopped the inflow of new applications by changing the rules. Thus the current speedy application process provides a very false picture of what can be expected in the future, even if we keep the 4/6 rule.

While changing the rules back would open the flood gates to those who would have been allowed to apply for citizenship earlier, had the 4/6 rule not been introduced, in the long run, we would only be returning to the processing times we experienced before the 4/6 rule came into effect.

It should also be noted that the Conservatives exacerbated the backlog by (i) dramatically increasing the rigour by which applications were vetted; (ii) cutting the CIC budget, which resulted in worker layoffs; (iii) cutting CIC employee pay and benefits and acting "in bad faith" during union negotiations (according to a Federal judge), which damaged morale; and (iv) created an atmosphere of fear to intimidate public employees and citizenship judges, which also affected morale.

CIC workers do an oustanding job without adequate resources or government encouragement -- they are to be applauded and supported with larger budgets and greater resources.
 

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Natan said:
It's important to note that the introduction of the 4/6 rule by the Conservatives created a slump in incoming applications, which enabled CIC to process the backlog faster, as the number of new applications was cut so dramatically after the cutover. The Conservatives did not add more resources to process applications faster, they stopped the inflow of new applications by changing the rules. Thus the current speedy application process provides a very false picture of what can be expected in the future, even if we keep the 4/6 rule.

While changing the rules back would open the flood gates to those who would have been allowed to apply for citizenship earlier, had the 4/6 rule not been introduced, in the long run, we would only be returning to the processing times we experienced before the 4/6 rule came into effect.

It should also be noted that the Conservatives exacerbated the backlog by (i) dramatically increasing the rigour by which applications were vetted; (ii) cutting the CIC budget, which resulted in worker layoffs; (iii) cutting CIC employee pay and benefits and acting "in bad faith" during union negotiations (according to a Federal judge), which damaged morale; and (iv) created an atmosphere of fear to intimidate public employees and citizenship judges, which also affected morale.

CIC workers do an oustanding job without adequate resources or government encouragement -- they are to be applauded and supported with larger budgets and greater resources.
The majority of people are still influenced by the initial euphoria but once they get sober they will start to understand what the consequences will be from all that reasonably expected 24-36 months processing timelines for routine applications when the new 3/5 rule kicks in.
 

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Can anyone highlight for the house of commons the liberals have the majority so the bill c-6 would have passed but when it will go to the senate for approval the conservaties have the majority there what would happen then? If any knows how it works please shed some light . Thanks.
 

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cazrypr said:
Can anyone highlight for the house of commons the liberals have the majority so the bill c-6 would have passed but when it will go to the senate for approval the conservaties have the majority there what would happen then? If any knows how it works please shed some light . Thanks.
The biggest obstacle is the senate stage because they can stop the Bill for its complete way to become a Law. The senate needs to approve this Bill before it is eligible for Royal Assent.
 

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Can anyone highlight for the house of commons the liberals have the majority so the bill c-6 would have passed but when it will go to the senate for approval the conservaties have the majority there what would happen then? If any knows how it works please shed some light . Thanks.
Senate is in the midst of an existential crisis for several reasons that are irrelevant to this discussion. For it to vote down any legislation at this time is simply unthinkable. Besides it will soon be populated with "independent" Liberals. The short answer = everything is going to be fine.
 

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screech339 said:
So you agree that the ranked election will favour the liberals. I thought election was suppose to give everyone equal chance at winning election.
A lot of Liberal supporters are trying to rig the voting method in their favour. Must make many a dictator happy to think that the Liberal party supports their methods of staying in power.
 

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Majority of voters are in favor of electoral reforms even NDP would have some say in policies enacted by the governments of that time. Personally i feel a Liberal dictator is better than Con dictator.
 

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I think the con's are so mad that if they come to power after four years the first thing they will do is increase the time to four years :p
 

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canmozu said:
Majority of voters are in favor of electoral reforms even NDP would have some say in policies enacted by the governments of that time. Personally i feel a Liberal dictator is better than Con dictator.
Agree 100%
 

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It's funny that McCallum couldn't give a straight answer when asked by a Canadian press why citizenship should not be stripped from a terrorist but should be from someone convicted of citizenship fraud. McCallum went on about a nazi criminal misrepresenting himself as an example but a case of a terrorist like "Amara" is "different".

So according to liberal logic, don't kil anyone (citizenship fraud / treason) you lose your citizenship. Kill anyone (terrorism) , your citizenship is safe.