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ElvisRamaj

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Apr 26, 2021
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Category........
FSW
NOC Code......
1211
Hi guys,

After carefully analazying the current situation we are in regarding the FSW-O, I have come to the conclusion that FSW-O will definitely resume in the last quarter of this year or when Canada will have vaccinated the majority of its population. Their projection to accomplish this task is September this year, hopefully.

Now, back to "why" I absolutely believe that the FSW will resume later this year and possibly be there for a long time no matter the changes in immigration budgets, news streams of immigration, etc.:

Number 1: Canada will never say "no" to "la crème de la crème" candidates in the Express Entry pool, candidates with scores 490+. Its impossible. That means however, that the average candidate is left with little options, either they need to look for specific immigration streams, provincial nominations or learn French at B2 Level. If the FSW draws will roll out, I am certain that it will not fall below the 475 mark, at least for this year.

Number 2: I have analyzed the Ontario Immigration Nominee Program (OINP) French-Speaking stream, because thats what interests me, you can clearly see that they are inviting candidates that are in the middle-upper range based on their CRS score (455 - 467).

What does "middle-upper range" mean, well it basically means:
- You are 21 - 32 years old;
- Single/Widowed/Common-Law but spouse not coming with you;
- 3+ years of foreign experience in your chosen profession;
- At least CLB 7 in French;
- At least CLB 8+ in English (L-7,R-7,S-7,W-7) but not CLB 9.

There are quite a few candidates in the Express Entry pool that have excelled in both French and English, have good education, are young and have experiece that sit in the CRS score of 500+ but have not been invited. Why would that be, what are they lacking? Actually, nothing at all. The answer is simple: The province of Ontario is stepping in and handing notifications of interest because they know that the FSW will resume and the candidates with CRS scores 455- 467 don't have a chance for an ITA and they are good enough for the province to welcome them. The CRS 500+ candidates will get their ITA anyway, just later in time. There is not any other reason whatsoever that the BEST candidate is ignored for second BEST.

So, my conclusion is that the FSW-O will resume later this year, however it will be very competitive.
 

Jakev

Champion Member
Sep 22, 2017
1,023
438
NOC Code......
0114 and 0125
AOR Received.
14-11-2017
Hi guys,

After carefully analazying the current situation we are in regarding the FSW-O, I have come to the conclusion that FSW-O will definitely resume in the last quarter of this year or when Canada will have vaccinated the majority of its population. Their projection to accomplish this task is September this year, hopefully.

Now, back to "why" I absolutely believe that the FSW will resume later this year and possibly be there for a long time no matter the changes in immigration budgets, news streams of immigration, etc.:

Number 1: Canada will never say "no" to "la crème de la crème" candidates in the Express Entry pool, candidates with scores 490+. Its impossible. That means however, that the average candidate is left with little options, either they need to look for specific immigration streams, provincial nominations or learn French at B2 Level. If the FSW draws will roll out, I am certain that it will not fall below the 475 mark, at least for this year.

Number 2: I have analyzed the Ontario Immigration Nominee Program (OINP) French-Speaking stream, because thats what interests me, you can clearly see that they are inviting candidates that are in the middle-upper range based on their CRS score (455 - 467).

What does "middle-upper range" mean, well it basically means:
- You are 21 - 32 years old;
- Single/Widowed/Common-Law but spouse not coming with you;
- 3+ years of foreign experience in your chosen profession;
- At least CLB 7 in French;
- At least CLB 8+ in English (L-7,R-7,S-7,W-7) but not CLB 9.

There are quite a few candidates in the Express Entry pool that have excelled in both French and English, have good education, are young and have experiece that sit in the CRS score of 500+ but have not been invited. Why would that be, what are they lacking? Actually, nothing at all. The answer is simple: The province of Ontario is stepping in and handing notifications of interest because they know that the FSW will resume and the candidates with CRS scores 455- 467 don't have a chance for an ITA and they are good enough for the province to welcome them. The CRS 500+ candidates will get their ITA anyway, just later in time. There is not any other reason whatsoever that the BEST candidate is ignored for second BEST.

So, my conclusion is that the FSW-O will resume later this year, however it will be very competitive.
Concur wholeheartedly with your assumptions. However, the processing time for FSW-O applications would take longer than a year based on current data trends. The earliest most of these guys would land in Canada would be 2023 or 2024 !
 

arvind92

Star Member
Jan 3, 2021
139
49
Hi guys,

After carefully analazying the current situation we are in regarding the FSW-O, I have come to the conclusion that FSW-O will definitely resume in the last quarter of this year or when Canada will have vaccinated the majority of its population. Their projection to accomplish this task is September this year, hopefully.

Now, back to "why" I absolutely believe that the FSW will resume later this year and possibly be there for a long time no matter the changes in immigration budgets, news streams of immigration, etc.:

Number 1: Canada will never say "no" to "la crème de la crème" candidates in the Express Entry pool, candidates with scores 490+. Its impossible. That means however, that the average candidate is left with little options, either they need to look for specific immigration streams, provincial nominations or learn French at B2 Level. If the FSW draws will roll out, I am certain that it will not fall below the 475 mark, at least for this year.

Number 2: I have analyzed the Ontario Immigration Nominee Program (OINP) French-Speaking stream, because thats what interests me, you can clearly see that they are inviting candidates that are in the middle-upper range based on their CRS score (455 - 467).

What does "middle-upper range" mean, well it basically means:
- You are 21 - 32 years old;
- Single/Widowed/Common-Law but spouse not coming with you;
- 3+ years of foreign experience in your chosen profession;
- At least CLB 7 in French;
- At least CLB 8+ in English (L-7,R-7,S-7,W-7) but not CLB 9.

There are quite a few candidates in the Express Entry pool that have excelled in both French and English, have good education, are young and have experiece that sit in the CRS score of 500+ but have not been invited. Why would that be, what are they lacking? Actually, nothing at all. The answer is simple: The province of Ontario is stepping in and handing notifications of interest because they know that the FSW will resume and the candidates with CRS scores 455- 467 don't have a chance for an ITA and they are good enough for the province to welcome them. The CRS 500+ candidates will get their ITA anyway, just later in time. There is not any other reason whatsoever that the BEST candidate is ignored for second BEST.

So, my conclusion is that the FSW-O will resume later this year, however it will be very competitive.


The question is how much more should I put in now?
i am at 471 and I have 11 months and 4 days before my score comes down.

The most I can do is a CLB 10, which will push it to 474..

Btw, the only reason why I don't think your theory cuts through except a bunch of moroccons and a few other african bi linguian french speakers, I don't think there will be so many french+ English speakers in the pool.

It is easier said than done. Learning a language when you are 27,28 isn't easy..i learnt french for 4 years at school and can barely put three sentences together..It is a very hard language...Getting even 4 extra points is a task, not taking into account the pressures of working and keeping a job during the pandemic.


i think FSW will resume in the end of this year. However the cut off will hover around 468-470....It wont come down since only a few rounds will take place..i think 4 to 6 rounds .


This is wishful thinking however.
 

dankboi

Champion Member
Apr 19, 2021
2,638
8,137
London, United Kingdom
Category........
FSW
Hi guys,

After carefully analazying the current situation we are in regarding the FSW-O, I have come to the conclusion that FSW-O will definitely resume in the last quarter of this year or when Canada will have vaccinated the majority of its population. Their projection to accomplish this task is September this year, hopefully.

Now, back to "why" I absolutely believe that the FSW will resume later this year and possibly be there for a long time no matter the changes in immigration budgets, news streams of immigration, etc.:

Number 1: Canada will never say "no" to "la crème de la crème" candidates in the Express Entry pool, candidates with scores 490+. Its impossible. That means however, that the average candidate is left with little options, either they need to look for specific immigration streams, provincial nominations or learn French at B2 Level. If the FSW draws will roll out, I am certain that it will not fall below the 475 mark, at least for this year.

Number 2: I have analyzed the Ontario Immigration Nominee Program (OINP) French-Speaking stream, because thats what interests me, you can clearly see that they are inviting candidates that are in the middle-upper range based on their CRS score (455 - 467).

What does "middle-upper range" mean, well it basically means:
- You are 21 - 32 years old;
- Single/Widowed/Common-Law but spouse not coming with you;
- 3+ years of foreign experience in your chosen profession;
- At least CLB 7 in French;
- At least CLB 8+ in English (L-7,R-7,S-7,W-7) but not CLB 9.

There are quite a few candidates in the Express Entry pool that have excelled in both French and English, have good education, are young and have experiece that sit in the CRS score of 500+ but have not been invited. Why would that be, what are they lacking? Actually, nothing at all. The answer is simple: The province of Ontario is stepping in and handing notifications of interest because they know that the FSW will resume and the candidates with CRS scores 455- 467 don't have a chance for an ITA and they are good enough for the province to welcome them. The CRS 500+ candidates will get their ITA anyway, just later in time. There is not any other reason whatsoever that the BEST candidate is ignored for second BEST.

So, my conclusion is that the FSW-O will resume later this year, however it will be very competitive.
 

Frisk

Hero Member
Feb 19, 2016
693
507
Toronto
The demographics of the EE pool has not changed, so I doubt there'll be many bilinguals appearing out of the blue. What's changed is the rules of the game. IRCC has shifted its focus to CEC&PNP. Also, there are new streams now targeting bilinguals/french speakers. FSW won't get affected by this as this is already a separate stream.

The only thing that's driving the FSW cutoff up right now is the fact that there have been no FSW draws. The same happened last year, although the halt has been longer this year. IRCC said they'd continue with FSW draws once the travel restrictions are lifted.
I've been checking past EE rounds and I find surprising how much average cutoff scores increased in the second half of 2019 compared to the first half.
 

Frisk

Hero Member
Feb 19, 2016
693
507
Toronto
that’s not very helpful in my opinion. he only talks about canadians flying out and back in. he said nothing about outlanders flying in. looks like the situation has very little to do with how well vaccines roll out in canada. in other words, more bad news for fsw.
I got vaccinated last week and my next shot is scheduled in August, there's a 4 month gap and if all adults have their first does by June that means that we can't consider lifting travel restrictions at least until October.
 

Alysson

Hero Member
Apr 17, 2019
859
1,345
I've heard the 4 month gap but didn't believe it. I know a few third world countries which deliver two shots of pfizer vaccines 1 or 2 months apart.
Due to lack of vaccines and high protections even with one shot, Canada decided to stretch the second dose to its maximum allowed. They will speed up the second dose once supply increases. They are currently receiving 2 mi pfizer per week until end of June and that will double after. That’s over 20% of the population per month in single doses, plus the extra moderna/AstraZeneca/Johnson’s. They will probably bring second doses to the normal 1-2 month distance in July.
 

ns317

Hero Member
Aug 29, 2019
263
260
that’s not very helpful in my opinion. he only talks about canadians flying out and back in. he said nothing about outlanders flying in. looks like the situation has very little to do with how well vaccines roll out in canada. in other words, more bad news for fsw.
That's the tone of the article because it's primarily addressed to Canadians desperate to travel abroad. Any such vaccine passport is likely to be reciprocal ie non Canadians can enter the country with one as well.

EU is close to concluding their vaccine passport program - most likely by June, they'll allow anyone vaccinated with an EU/WHO approved vaccine to enter the EU. If Canada is talking to EU countries and working on a similar plan, that's positive news for approved FSW immigrants who are vaccinated or might get a vaccine soon.
 

aj534160

Hero Member
Apr 13, 2019
457
459
The question is how much more should I put in now?
i am at 471 and I have 11 months and 4 days before my score comes down.

The most I can do is a CLB 10, which will push it to 474..

Btw, the only reason why I don't think your theory cuts through except a bunch of moroccons and a few other african bi linguian french speakers, I don't think there will be so many french+ English speakers in the pool.

It is easier said than done. Learning a language when you are 27,28 isn't easy..i learnt french for 4 years at school and can barely put three sentences together..It is a very hard language...Getting even 4 extra points is a task, not taking into account the pressures of working and keeping a job during the pandemic.


i think FSW will resume in the end of this year. However the cut off will hover around 468-470....It wont come down since only a few rounds will take place..i think 4 to 6 rounds .


This is wishful thinking however.
I can tell you an example of a person who studied French to an extent enough to get an ITA in less than a year.

He is married and was 33 years old, has two kids. He was in the 458 range last year and spend nearly 30000 INR to study French in an institute. After a year's hard work (studied around 6 hours per day, changed the language of his phone to French, watched French TV channels with English subtitles, and dedicated his complete weekend towards studying the language), he appeared for TEF in Chennai, India.

He got a jump of nearly 10 points in his CRS after TEF and the score moved to 468 last October.
He then got NOI from Ontario (IT Tech Draw) on October 15 -> submitted his profile (with spouse and two kids) -> Nomination obtained on Dec 2020 -> Got ITA on Dec -> submitted docs -> Sydney Nova Scotia is the VO -> Everything is now passed and he is awaiting PPR (which will be rolled out once situation stabilizes a bit).

Anything and everything is possible, all that needs is sheer determination and absolute hard work.
 

Lixa

Star Member
Oct 10, 2020
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I can tell you an example of a person who studied French to an extent enough to get an ITA in less than a year.

He is married and was 33 years old, has two kids. He was in the 458 range last year and spend nearly 30000 INR to study French in an institute. After a year's hard work (studied around 6 hours per day, changed the language of his phone to French, watched French TV channels with English subtitles, and dedicated his complete weekend towards studying the language), he appeared for TEF in Chennai, India.

He got a jump of nearly 10 points in his CRS after TEF and the score moved to 468 last October.
He then got NOI from Ontario on October 15 -> submitted his profile (with spouse and two kids) -> Nomination obtained on Dec 2020 -> Got ITA on Dec -> submitted docs -> Sydney Nova Scotia is the VO -> Everything is now passed and he is awaiting PPR (which will be rolled out once situation stabilizes a bit).

Anything and everything is possible, all that needs is sheer determination and absolute hard work.
And also 30'000 dollars to invest when raising a family....
 

joconstantine

Hero Member
Mar 30, 2020
595
512
Category........
FSW
NOC Code......
0213
Pre-Assessed..
Yes
AOR Received.
01-08-2020
I can tell you an example of a person who studied French to an extent enough to get an ITA in less than a year.

He is married and was 33 years old, has two kids. He was in the 458 range last year and spend nearly 30000 INR to study French in an institute. After a year's hard work (studied around 6 hours per day, changed the language of his phone to French, watched French TV channels with English subtitles, and dedicated his complete weekend towards studying the language), he appeared for TEF in Chennai, India.

He got a jump of nearly 10 points in his CRS after TEF and the score moved to 468 last October.
He then got NOI from Ontario (IT Tech Draw) on October 15 -> submitted his profile (with spouse and two kids) -> Nomination obtained on Dec 2020 -> Got ITA on Dec -> submitted docs -> Sydney Nova Scotia is the VO -> Everything is now passed and he is awaiting PPR (which will be rolled out once situation stabilizes a bit).

Anything and everything is possible, all that needs is sheer determination and absolute hard work.
Damn, I miss your presence.
 

Carmen01

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Oct 13, 2020
718
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The question is how much more should I put in now?
i am at 471 and I have 11 months and 4 days before my score comes down.

The most I can do is a CLB 10, which will push it to 474..

Btw, the only reason why I don't think your theory cuts through except a bunch of moroccons and a few other african bi linguian french speakers, I don't think there will be so many french+ English speakers in the pool.

It is easier said than done. Learning a language when you are 27,28 isn't easy..i learnt french for 4 years at school and can barely put three sentences together..It is a very hard language...Getting even 4 extra points is a task, not taking into account the pressures of working and keeping a job during the pandemic.


i think FSW will resume in the end of this year. However the cut off will hover around 468-470....It wont come down since only a few rounds will take place..i think 4 to 6 rounds .


This is wishful thinking however.
Here's an easy one for you .....Oui Oui Oui . Je suis une fille!!
 

Carmen01

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Oct 13, 2020
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Application for the new pathways will commence today. That's 90k sorted , good luck to those who will apply and all the best.
 
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