NOC 3112 for FSWP in 2014, Let's network here

[dr tarekk]

Well,i have friend from India,he studied medicine with me in university,then he did training in sonography in this institute Dr.Randhawa's Institute Of Ultrasound Training,New Delhi ,i don't know where this institute exists, now he trying to apply for exams ARDMS.org to be registered sonographer then get a good offer job in USA to work,he did not do speciality of radiology like me,he just completed general medicine and did this program of training,if he pass exams ardms sucessfully,then he can proceed to apply and register in sonography canada and work in canada,so guys i just enlight you routes,u can proceed by these routes to work at least in health domains or apply for fellowship/supspeciality in canada,hope this info be helpful for u,it is right that my program of immigration was not like u NOC 3112 but it is good to share info espicially my profession is the same of urs

 

[dr tarekk]

for doctors who their speciality is radiology or have training stage in sonography in this forum,please check this link also to see what r the requirments and eligibilty policy to be registered as sonographer in canada
http://www.sonographycanada.ca/Apps/Pages/home-csdms

 

[Greenrice]

for doctors who their speciality is radiology or have training stage in sonography in this forum,please check this link also to see what r the requirments and eligibilty policy to be registered as sonographer in canada

Thanks dr tarekk.

However there are some problems need to be addressed:
- a sonographer has to register with Sonographer Canada to eligible to work, this means he/she has to pass Canada exam at first. (Similar to ASAR in Australia, both are not registration boards but doing something the same)
- All the Sonography Canada exams only take place inside Canada, and seems very time consuming.
- To be eligible to sit those exams, an external candidate has to hold a degree/diploma in sonography then apply for them to assess, even if you hold ARDMS certificates.

Anyway, once we get into inside Canada, then this would be a good career somehow.

 

[Greenrice]

well explained. In canada the job market is not open for foreign doctors unless they pass the 3 exams defined by MCC. believe me, its tougher than USMLE and prospects for foreign doctors are much better in US or Australia. Most of my friends there are not into the medical profession right now.they are studying some subjects related to health but not medicine. Its the harsh reality but there are exceptions and always there will be some.
What i mean to say that Unless CIC develop an invitation pool based on professional categories, the foreign medical graduates will suffer. Cause other professionals like managers, software engineers, nurses, caregivers have more chance to secure a job offer. Actually EE is just an old wine in a new bottle inspired by australian model.
But if you apply early then there may be a chance. one thing i will say also that now all the provincial nominees will also apply in EE which will give them a quicker access.
I dont like EE much cause it seems unfair for certain NOC's.
I will stick to my FSW application and wait......because i know its tough to manage to ships at a time for me.

yes, I agree. "Actually EE is just an old wine in a new bottle inspired by Australian model."
However, at least a non-Canada experience MD still might be eligible to enter EE (Canada), but not true in the case of Skill Select (Australia).

The core issue is: Canada wants good brains and high quality of genetic pools, or just want any skill workers who can do the job (and then be competitive with Canadian). This might be a chance for MD in EE - in my opinion.

 

[dr tarekk]

Thanks dr tarekk.

However there are some problems need to be addressed:
- a sonographer has to register with Sonographer Canada to eligible to work, this means he/she has to pass Canada exam at first. (Similar to ASAR in Australia, both are not registration boards but doing something the same)
- All the Sonography Canada exams only take place inside Canada, and seems very time consuming.
- To be eligible to sit those exams, an external candidate has to hold a degree/diploma in sonography then apply for them to assess, even if you hold ARDMS certificates.

Anyway, once we get into inside Canada, then this would be a good career somehow.

i am sorry to tell u that you r wrong, my dear i am a specialist in radiology and these info not fresh for me.i know about the requirments since a long time coz it is my speciality and that's why i did speciality radiology when i applied to Quebec first time,
if u read chart,u will see that you have 2 choices to apply exams either u have ARDMS certificate or u have diploma/certificate in sonography(that's why i spook about programs in institutes which accredit by CMA),on other words to be eligibile for applying exams in sonography in canada there r 2 ways:
candidates should obtain
*Theoretical and clinical education in Diagnostic Medical Sonography (DMS, it means registered sonographer in ur country or graduates of a CMA Accredited Sonography program and these programs r available in institutes which i mentioned it before )
OR **Other national certification certificate which include ARDMS( here you have to know that to be eligible take exams ARDMS,u should have an expierence in sonography minumum 12 expierence paid plus general medical degree please check this also http://online.ardms.org/prep/prerequisite.asp)by the way i applied for ARDMS,then passed their exams in Istanbul coz they have centers abroad,u can see also example of forms CV and Letters which u should send them with application plus fees also to process ur file for examenations.
Now since many doctors may be r not radiologist in this forum,so they have one option which pass course in sonography program in one from these institutes paid sure in order to be eligible apply and register in exams of sonography in canada OR is someone has an expierence in sonography 12 months ,so he/she can apply to ARDMS at first to take exams,then later u can apply for sonography canada.Please check on Generalist and Cardiac Algorithm
http://www.sonographycanada.ca/Apps/Sites-Management/FileDownload/DataDownload/23191/External%20Candidate%20Eligibility%20to%20Write/pdf/1/1033.
-secondly of course you can pass the exams of sonography canada just inside canada,but my dear we r talking about your futures,coz they will process ur file of immigration sooner or later,u should know from now what will u do there and set up plan from now my dear,i did that when i applied first time,don't be late otherwise u will be lost ,believe me,u have to prepare everything from now while waiting ur visa(search about these institutes,contact them,see requirements,deadline,sent ur request,their tutions).
Important Note,u r wrong about job,i have more than 6 friends there,they passed these courses in institutes which r acrredited as i said before,they did not apply for exams of canadasonography and they r not registered sonographer,but they r working now in privet clinic,one from them works in privet clinic at Indian Radiologist ,and his salary is 45$ per hour,so my dear at least pass these courses and u will be lucky,u should know also that sonography now is very very demand profession in Canada and USA,hope i clarified everything,i am ready for any questions

 

[BabaKasmani]

you r right,no need to go through hell residency and confuse urself of these exams but i would like to give u an example: doctors who apply in 2014 for fellowship in radiology,they will informed if accepted or not in 2017(3 years waiting plus many compititions and limited seats),doctor who apply for fellowship now in 2015 they take post in 2018,i know that very well coz i contacted many universities and hospitals and the important question is : what will i do within 3 years while waiting get this fellowship??spend money without any job while sit at home and preparing for MCCEE!! i have also many friends doctors in canada,your degree will be only evaluated if u pass MCCEE but u can not get residency,you can not work as specialist,you can work just under supervision as u do now ,i have one friend like you,he is from lebanon,he passed MCCEE sucessfully,he could not get residency coz he could not passed last examen,he did one from these programs which i mentioned above,he told me literally: ust do this program and get canadian certificate to work at least in health domain,otherwise it is waste of the time about all these routes and examenations,when u get your citizinship,everything will be ok,hope i clarified everything.

Hello Tarek just for the record , I have an offer as Assistant Professor in a medical college after my superspecialty in coming 8 months .Secondly the medical college which i did my residency form India has a tie up with Canadian universities for research & is among top 10 institutes of India ,so the Canadian university Dean has no hesitancy to send my degrees to Royal College for academic certification.
Royal College will accept my Indian training if i work in academic position in Canada for 3 years .Hope it answers your questions .
As for the wait period for Canadian fellowships , yes its long if accepted but wouldnt you rather apply now & wait. rather than apply later and waste time .
Remember the road is difficult but "Winners never Quit , & Quitters never Win ".
As we say in Hindi " Lage Rahoo "
Hope it answers your question

 

[orthopaedician_india]

Hello Tarek just for the record , I have an offer as Assistant Professor in a medical college after my superspecialty in coming 8 months .Secondly the medical college which i did my residency form India has a tie up with Canadian universities for research & is among top 10 institutes of India ,so the Canadian university Dean has no hesitancy to send my degrees to Royal College for academic certification.
Royal College will accept my Indian training if i work in academic position in Canada for 3 years .Hope it answers your questions .
As for the wait period for Canadian fellowships , yes its long if accepted but wouldnt you rather apply now & wait. rather than apply later and waste time .
Remember the road is difficult but "Winners never Quit , & Quitters never Win ".
As we say in Hindi " Lage Rahoo "
Hope it answers your question

 

[orthopaedician_india]

Hello Tarek just for the record , I have an offer as Assistant Professor in a medical college after my superspecialty in coming 8 months .Secondly the medical college which i did my residency form India has a tie up with Canadian universities for research & is among top 10 institutes of India ,so the Canadian university Dean has no hesitancy to send my degrees to Royal College for academic certification.
Royal College will accept my Indian training if i work in academic position in Canada for 3 years .Hope it answers your questions .
As for the wait period for Canadian fellowships , yes its long if accepted but wouldnt you rather apply now & wait. rather than apply later and waste time .
Remember the road is difficult but "Winners never Quit , & Quitters never Win ".
As we say in Hindi " Lage Rahoo "
Hope it answers your question

hello baba kasmani....bro put sm light on my profile too...I have done ms ortho from India with 7 year exp,have applied to calgary 2016 n nova scotia 2016 fellowship....waiting for their reply.....if they choose the fellow thn nxt step is telephonic conversation...guide me to be best able to be selected...

what other pathways I can look for

 

[Greenrice]

i am sorry to tell u that you r wrong, my dear i am a specialist in radiology and these info not fresh for me.i know about the requirments since a long time coz it is my speciality and that's why i did speciality radiology when i applied to Quebec first time,
if u read chart,u will see that you have 2 choices to apply exams either u have ARDMS certificate or u have diploma/certificate in sonography(that's why i spook about programs in institutes which accredit by CMA),on other words to be eligibile for applying exams in sonography in canada there r 2 ways:
candidates should obtain
*Theoretical and clinical education in Diagnostic Medical Sonography (DMS, it means registered sonographer in ur country or graduates of a CMA Accredited Sonography program and these programs r available in institutes which i mentioned it before )
OR **Other national certification certificate which include ARDMS( here you have to know that to be eligible take exams ARDMS,u should have an expierence in sonography minumum 12 expierence paid plus general medical degree please check this also. By the way i applied for ARDMS,then passed their exams in Istanbul coz they have centers abroad,u can see also example of forms CV and Letters which u should send them with application plus fees also to process ur file for examenations.
Now since many doctors may be r not radiologist in this forum,so they have one option which pass course in sonography program in one from these institutes paid sure in order to be eligible apply and register in exams of sonography in canada OR is someone has an expierence in sonography 12 months ,so he/she can apply to ARDMS at first to take exams,then later u can apply for sonography canada.Please check on Generalist and Cardiac Algorithm

-secondly of course you can pass the exams of sonography canada just inside canada,but my dear we r talking about your futures,coz they will process ur file of immigration sooner or later,u should know from now what will u do there and set up plan from now my dear,i did that when i applied first time,don't be late otherwise u will be lost ,believe me,u have to prepare everything from now while waiting ur visa(search about these institutes,contact them,see requirements,deadline,sent ur request,their tutions).
Important Note,u r wrong about job,i have more than 6 friends there,they passed these courses in institutes which r acrredited as i said before,they did not apply for exams of canadasonography and they r not registered sonographer,but they r working now in privet clinic,one from them works in privet clinic at Indian Radiologist ,and his salary is 45$ per hour,so my dear at least pass these courses and u will be lucky,u should know also that sonography now is very very demand profession in Canada and USA,hope i clarified everything,i am ready for any questions

Thanks very much for the info re the job.

I am in the same boat. However I am seeking the info to see if my qualification could be eligible to sit Canada sonography exams directly.

I heard from an Australian qualified sonographer who came to Canada by FSW recently. He wrote in Nov 2014 that "no employer will touch you if you don't register with Canada Sonongrapher, especially for public sector" and he is doing the 2nd exam. This is the most recent info I got.

Do you think perhaps because your friends graduated from Canada registered courses (CMA), things might be easier as they might have workplace replacement program?
If Medicare require a sonographer has been registerd with Canada Sonography, then that will be a kind of compulsory registration. Job adverts also always ask for this. Do you get other info re this, please advise?

Also I heard from a Physician who have been working in Toronto 20 years that there is hardly any private clinics around, or maybe that is different in other places?

Wow, 45d/h is very good. That is the same to Australian although Australian sonography is post-grad programs.

 

[dr tarekk]

My dear BabaKasmani,thanx for informations and everything,i don't want to argue in details,it is nice discussion and give useful info to everyone here,but please don't generalize your case to others,as you said to me before that you have worked with Canadians doctors in one country before going to Canada,they liked your skills,then they helped and find u post in program in Canada which u talked it before,it means that should be Canadian doctors there to help us.
But i am talking about standard,normal procedures which everyone proceed its step by step as they mentioned in their websites,if i have a good relation with one canadian doctor who works there,the of course i will ask his/her aid to find me post,it happens in every country in the world,not just in Canada,my explaination was about normal procedures,difficulties,everything.
anyway thanx very much for useful info,and i think it is good discussion between us.

 

[dr tarekk]

Thanks very much for the info re the job.

I am in the same boat. However I am seeking the info to see if my qualification could be eligible to sit Canada sonography exams directly.

I heard from an Australian qualified sonographer who came to Canada by FSW recently. He wrote in Nov 2014 that "no employer will touch you if you don't register with Canada Sonongrapher, especially for public sector" and he is doing the 2nd exam. This is the most recent info I got.

Do you think perhaps because your friends graduated from Canada registered courses (CMA), things might be easier as they might have workplace replacement program?
If Medicare require a sonographer has been registerd with Canada Sonography, then that will be a kind of compulsory registration. Job adverts also always ask for this. Do you get other info re this, please advise?

Also I heard from a Physician who have been working in Toronto 20 years that there is hardly any private clinics around, or maybe that is different in other places?

Wow, 45d/h is very good. That is the same to Australian although Australian sonography is post-grad programs.

you r welcome my dear,yeah u r right ,my friends found a job because they graduated from Canada registered courses (CMA),although they did not regisetered with Canada Sonography,you can find job if just pass these courses without registeration,i got info about that 100%,i told u ,i have 2 friends who work in Quebec now,they passed these courses for 16 months,then they got this certificate,they did not register with canada sonography,however they found job and working now 45 $ per hour,of course i will try to register in canada sonography to have a good cv,but it is not obligatory.
according privet clinics,i can assure u that there r many privet clinics in Quebec,i don't have info about Toronto,maybe as u said it is very difficult in other places.
Note: you should know that there is very compition in order to enter in these courses,demand is very much,don't take it easy,( Acadamic IELTS 6.5 and above,evaluation your diploma by WES course by course,fees also,then u have to wait processing,if they accept u ,then u should pay tution of the course.
hope these info help u

 

[BabaKasmani]

My dear BabaKasmani,thanx for informations and everything,i don't want to argue in details,it is nice discussion and give useful info to everyone here,but please don't generalize your case to others,as you said to me before that you have worked with Canadians doctors in one country before going to Canada,they liked your skills,then they helped and find u post in program in Canada which u talked it before,it means that should be Canadian doctors there to help us.
But i am talking about standard,normal procedures which everyone proceed its step by step as they mentioned in their websites,if i have a good relation with one canadian doctor who works there,the of course i will ask his/her aid to find me post,it happens in every country in the world,not just in Canada,my explaination was about normal procedures,difficulties,everything.
anyway thanx very much for useful info,and i think it is good discussion between us.

As they say in Arabic
" Ahlan Yakhee "

 

[dr tarekk]

As they say in Arabic
" Ahlan Yakhee "

thanx dear,ahlan w sahlan yakhee

 

[Junkon]

give a meaningful explanation and attach an affidavit stating ur reason for not providing the required document...only option i can think..

Thanks for your advice, I've sent my docs. Hope it'll be enough.

 

[tayyabatahir]

Keep it up
but plz in an easy way...

1.what is the path we r getting???
can anyone make a fllow chart in easy way...please

2.can v take MCCEE before going there,, at regional centres in our country??
how cud this help?
how to head fwd.....plz guide any one step wise...

thanx