Indian M. Com, No work experience (PLS HELP)

[nevillek]

Hello,

I am Indian and have just completed my Bachelor in Commerce (Accounting and Finance) and Master in Commerce (Management). I want to emigrate to Canada and am fine with doing any kind of job there (because finance is not a problem for me) but I don't have any work experience to apply for immigration. So I guess I have two options I think:

1) Getting 1 year work experience in one of the 29 high demand occupations.
2) Getting a permanent job offer from Canada (Is there even a 1% chance to get this?)

Speaking of the first option, before choosing a job in India, I want to make sure that the job I choose helps me to get into Canada. I have gone through the 29 occupations list, but have no clue what to go for. The only related category is "Professional Occupations in Business Services to Management" but I don't have any professional degree like MBA, etc. so I am unsure what to go for?

I was also considering other occupations like Social Work for 1 year but I just realised that they need a Degree in Social work, which I don't have. Same goes for other occupations. Is it totally impossible to get in with just the 1 year social work experience without a social work degree?

My priority is only being able to get a Canadian PR. Once I get to Canada, I will be fine with doing any kind of job, not just business-related. So I am fine with working in any occupation for 1 year here, but I don't know which job to choose and how easy would it be to get that job.

Also, I am open to any other easier/alternative way to be able to emigrate to Canada ASAP.

Any advice/help will be highly appreciated. Also feel free to PM me. Thanks in advance!

Regards,
Neville.

EDIT: Just realised that the M.Com. through DISTANCE LEARNING may not count for the points either

 

[Ismael5]

it can not work without work experience it is all right to do any kind of work but the thing is you have to be qualified
need to get 67 points

wait for an year and than see if you can it in any category or not

Ismael

 

[nano24482]

Why don't you go for student visa in a good university.
You can go for PNP after you graduate(make sure its a master's course and not college level vocational course).

One more option for you can be Quebec. Learn French for a year or two and get experience simultaneously.

 

[***()***]

nano24482 +1 FOR
HE IS RIGHT

 

[nevillek]

Why don't you go for student visa in a good university.
You can go for PNP after you graduate(make sure its a master's course and not college level vocational course).

One more option for you can be Quebec. Learn French for a year or two and get experience simultaneously.

Thanks for the response.

Exactly, I think the only alternative would be a Masters course at a Canadian university. But do I not have to return to India after my Masters course fininshes? I want a permanent residence. What are the chances to get PR after studying there for a year with a student visa?

What about Quebec? Let's say I learn French for a year. But what about the work experience? Which job to select?

 

[pranx125]

If you successfully complete your master's programme in Canada, you are given 3 years work permit. you don't have to return back to India.
The biggest hurdle you need to cross is to get the student visa to canada.
This seems like the best option available to you right now. Good Luck........

 

[nevillek]

If you successfully complete your master's programme in Canada, you are given 3 years work permit. you don't have to return back to India.
The biggest hurdle you need to cross is to get the student visa to canada.
This seems like the best option available to you right now. Good Luck........

Can the Masters program in Canada be of 1 yr? How long would I have to work after completion of Masters to be able to apply for the PR?

 

[nano24482]

Thank you ***()*** for +1.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/index.asp
Dear Nevillek,
Check the above link.
1. After your study(of 2 years) you'll get 3 years work permit(temperory visa). After 2 years full time work you can apply for PR on Canadian Experience Class. As for Masters program you'll need to check with the universities. But after 1 year studies you'll get permit for 1 year only. So you won't be able to apply for Canadian experience class and will need to extend your permit.
2. After your study, you can apply for Provincial Nomination. Most of the thirteen provinces in Canada have some sort say in immigration matters. You need to check which provinces have nomination for recent graduates( I guess you won't need job for that, but please check in the links). Only drawback is that you'll have to stay in that province for around 3 years till you get citizenship.
3. Quebec is a cheaper option than student visa. But you'll need to know french for that and you'll need work experience. They have a larger range of occupations so check for accounts or other subjects related to you and search a job accordingly.
http://www.immigration-quebec.gouv.qc.ca/en/index.html

Hope that helps.

Can the Masters program in Canada be of 1 yr? How long would I have to work after completion of Masters to be able to apply for the PR?

 

[nevillek]

Wow Nano, thanks.

I guess the 2 yrs Masters+2 yrs work ex for Canadian Exp Class is a long long time before applying for PR, plus add the costs of doing Masters, which I don't feel the need to.

What about doing 1 yr Masters+1 yr work permit work in Canada and applying through the SKILLER WORKER category which needs 1 yr work ex in the 29 occupations? Can I do that?

Not sure what the provincial thing is about? Does it mean I can only do a 1 or 2 yr masters and apply for Provincial category without any work ex , etc. ? Then that would be the best method I guess? But what are the chances my app would be accepted? Is it 100% or is it the luck-factor where the province may or may NOT nominate you to come to their province?

Sorry if I sound a bit naive. I'm not aware of this much, and the website reads make my understanding even more complex.

 

[new_2_canada]

What about doing 1 yr Masters+1 yr work permit work in Canada and applying through the SKILLER WORKER category which needs 1 yr work ex in the 29 occupations? Can I do that?

That is a good option, even better option is getting one year work experience where you live, but how do you plan to get the 67 points because there are some points for work experience and you need 4 years work ex in 10 years to get all of those points

"You will be awarded a set number of points depending on how many years of work experience you have:

Years of Experience* POINTS
One year 15
Two years 17
Three years 19
Four or more years 21
*The number of years of work experience are cumulative, must be in the last ten years, and do not have to be in the same occupation. For instance, if you have three years of work experience, you will get 19 points for the Experience Factor even if your three years of work experience is divided between 2 or 3 occupations."

So if we add up the points: Age (Assuming you are between 21-49):10
Language: 16 (24 if you are fluent in French as well)
Education: 25 (As it should count for 17 yrs and post graduate)
Work ex: 15 (after one year of work)
That gives you 66 points.

you need to have 67 points to qualify for FSW and the list for FSW can change anytime, so no one can be sure what jobs or skill will be in demand when you complete your work ex.

 

[nevillek]

That is a good option, even better option is getting one year work experience where you live, but how do you plan to get the 67 points because there are some points for work experience and you need 4 years work ex in 10 years to get all of those points

"You will be awarded a set number of points depending on how many years of work experience you have:

Years of Experience* POINTS
One year 15
Two years 17
Three years 19
Four or more years 21
*The number of years of work experience are cumulative, must be in the last ten years, and do not have to be in the same occupation. For instance, if you have three years of work experience, you will get 19 points for the Experience Factor even if your three years of work experience is divided between 2 or 3 occupations."

So if we add up the points: Age (Assuming you are between 21-49):10
Language: 16 (24 if you are fluent in French as well)
Education: 25 (As it should count for 17 yrs and post graduate)
Work ex: 15 (after one year of work)
That gives you 66 points.

you need to have 67 points to qualify for FSW and the list for FSW can change anytime, so no one can be sure what jobs or skill will be in demand when you complete your work ex.

Wow, great analysis.

By the way, I just realised I make up 61 points and NOT 66 points because my post-graduate Masters degree of 2 years is from DISTANCE LEARNING, and somewhere I read that they do not count that education. Correct?

But I can always take up French classes for a year and get fluent in French to bag an extra 8 points, which makes it 61+8=69 points, correct?

Now the question is, should I be playing a gamble by doing a 1 yr job in "Professional Occupations in Business Services to Management" in India itself, and hope that the category remains in the list of JULY 2012/13 (which is not this upcoming list, but the one even after that)??? What are the chances? Logically speaking, the category is so wide and MAJOR that I don't see why they would remove it because only 1000 applicants are accepted anyway. But strangely, the 2008 38-occupations list didn't have this category. So how to decide whether to play this gamble or not??

Maybe I should just wait for this July's list and see if it's there or not. If it's there, I might get some assurance that it would remain next year also. But I know nothing is guaranteed.

Another problem is HOW to get an entry-level/fresher job in such a category? The job titles are things like SPECIALIST, SUPERVISOR, etc. which obviously won't be fresher jobs. The only hope is jobs with the title ANALYST (e.g. Business Analyst) which might have some fresher jobs. Am I correct?

 

[nano24482]

Wow Nano, thanks.

I guess the 2 yrs Masters+2 yrs work ex for Canadian Exp Class is a long long time before applying for PR, plus add the costs of doing Masters, which I don't feel the need to.
If you do Masters in a good university it will always be an advantage to you and you'll have better chances of landing a good job.

What about doing 1 yr Masters+1 yr work permit work in Canada and applying through the SKILLER WORKER category which needs 1 yr work ex in the 29 occupations? Can I do that?
This is when you'll have experience in one of the 29 professions. What if you won't get a job in one of the listed occupations. Plus these professions keep on changing. Also I doubt if there is 1 year Master course. Please note that you need University Level and not college level course. Plus job hunting in Canada is very much different than India. There are no campus interviews and such. So to get a job in your field will take around 8 months to a year. You can always get min wage job but its highly unlikely that those categories will be listed in the jobs for immigration.

Not sure what the provincial thing is about? Does it mean I can only do a 1 or 2 yr masters and apply for Provincial category without any work ex , etc. ? Then that would be the best method I guess? But what are the chances my app would be accepted? Is it 100% or is it the luck-factor where the province may or may NOT nominate you to come to their province?
Canada has 10 provinces and 3 territories(similar to states in india). When you apply for federal immigration you can work and stay anywhere in Canada. But when you apply for provincial nominations you have to stay in that particular province. For provincial nomination you need to send application to province individually and their rules are different than Federal(central) skilled worker. Quebec is one of the province in Canada but they select immigrants based on their criteria and they have wider range of occupations who can apply.

PS. Learning French is rally difficult. You cannot learn it completely in 1 year(at least not where you can score 8 points).



Sorry if I sound a bit naive. I'm not aware of this much, and the website reads make my understanding even more complex.
No issues. But the whole point of applying for skilled workers is to not be professional. It is best you read everything about immigration before deciding on your route.

 

[nevillek]

Hi Nano,

Thanks for the reply again.

As you said, it seems that the Skilled worker category is a risky gamble because the occupation in which I get a year's work ex might not even be there when it's time for me to apply, so I want to keep that option on the side. Same goes for Univ Masters + Job in Canada, because I don't really want to be spending so much time and money before I get PR. Ofcourse, it could fetch me a better job, but if I get the PR, my options to study for a Masters to get a higher paying-job are always open if I am not satisfied with the job I get with just the PR and a little work ex in India. Basically, I want to get the PR asap and not worry about the job salary and stuff.

I just spoke to someone and it seems that the Quebec one seems the easiest way to go, because they have a variety of jobs in the list, I can have 1 yr work ex, and be fluent in French and get it easily. Correct?

You said that learning French is not easy. But I am determined to put my heart and soul into it. And even if I can't learn it in 1 year, I can take some more time in India to learn it before applying, right? Atleast I won't be spending 50,000$+ to get a Masters degree which I don't really want right now anyways.

What are your thoughts on this?

 

[novsaggi]

Canadians univ r not costly as compared to US univ (ofcourse it depends on the kind of subjects u may pursue)
i was looking at sciences a while back and the masters/phd was costing around $5K per semester.

If u wanna pursue French language, then there is no stopping u (even though u apply for immigration or not)

but the way u r dealing with this situation is strange.... u want PR first, and eligibility(education & Work Exp) for it later????
There is a reason for FSW category

 

[nevillek]

but the way u r dealing with this situation is strange.... u want PR first, and eligibility(education & Work Exp) for it later????

You are absolutely correct. My priority is the PR and I don't really want the Masters degree in Canada or a very high paying job. Once I get the PR, I am pretty sure that I will be able to get a satisfactory job atleast in Canada. And ONLY THEN if I feel the need to have Masters degree to get a higher paying job, I will do the Masters and get a better job. That way, I won't be spending THOUSANDS of dollars doing a Masters degree unnecessarily in Canada for the sake of PR.

Talking of FSW, I just realised I am only stuck at 61 points in the Skilled worker category (adding 1 yr job work ex in India) because my "distance-learning" Masters degree of India isn't eligible, PLUS I don't want to play a gamble with the SKILLED WORKER CATEGORY anyways because my job title may not even be there in next year's list when I apply. So FSW is out of the question. Correct me if I am wrong.

Now I have to choose between :

a) Student Visa route to PR
b) Quebec route to PR

So I am going to try for the QUEBEC IMMIGRATION by doing a good job for 1 yr here and learning French ASAP. Then get the PR, find a satisfactory job in Canada, and problem-solved.

Do you guys agree with this?