Dont wish to sponser spouse from pakistan: in big trouble : HELP !

[user828]

Honor killings are not accepted in Pakistan same as any other country in the world.
The bride does not get dowry, it is the other way round.

It is but if the marriage is no longer valid [divorced; initiated by wife] this amount is given back.

I see, but I thought you said it's the other way around - so bride does get money. I never knew about the return part, now is that non-refundable after a certain time period ( says 5 years of marriage ) or has to be returned if the wife initiates divorce at any time period

 

[Edgehead78]

All of you badmouthing Pakistan and Pakistanis should first look at your own countries, everyone knows which countries are notorious for fake marriages, which countries export the mafia groups to Canada.... but only pakistanis are made to suffer because we do not enjoy the special and historical political relations with Canada, because we do not have a strong lobby.

Oh yeah, you're all a bunch of victims. How unlucky you are to be born in Pakistan...
You're not better than the OP because you're badmouthing all other countries by assuming they are getting married for pr and sending mafia to Canada.

 

[Waiting2013]

Oh yeah, you're all a bunch of victims. How unlucky you are to be born in Pakistan...
You're not better than the OP because you're badmouthing all other countries by assuming they are getting married for pr and sending mafia to Canada.

There is a difference...I would never jump into a discussion unrelated to my country and start bashing it just because if i have strong dislike against that country...even now I did not mention the name of any country. However, i would not just sit and watch a bunch of idiots throwing dirt on my country

This kind of discussion brings out the worst of people who would pose as the nicest people on the planet earth but will not waste an opportunity to drop the veil to spit out their venom.

If I was as stupid as you and have dislike for other countries, i would have listed filipinos are this and that...but I would not base my opinion on few big headed idiots when I already know that filipinos are one of the most friendly and humble people

 

[canvis2006]

seems the OP has disappeared, hope its not a fake/troll thread.

 

[fizz1234]

I see, but I thought you said it's the other way around - so bride does get money. I never knew about the return part, now is that non-refundable after a certain time period ( says 5 years of marriage ) or has to be returned if the wife initiates divorce at any time period

I don't know if dowry is the correct term or if there is a more technically correct word for this, that is why I said she does not get dowry
Has to be returned if the wife initiates the separation, but of course if the guy wants he can just decide to waive this off. [I personally can't think of any straight headed guy would be concerned about money when his marriage is fallen apart, least of the worries]

 

[user828]

I don't know if dowry is the correct term or if there is a more technically correct word for this, that is why I said she does not get dowry
Has to be returned if the wife initiates the separation, but of course if the guy wants he can just decide to waive this off. [I personally can't think of any straight headed guy would be concerned about money when his marriage is fallen apart, least of the worries]

It's sad to see all this stuff exist in this day and age, I don't even agree to exorbitant and lavish weddings even if you are wealthy - might as well give it to the newly weds so they use it wisely.
As bad it may sound, immigration loves to see large groups photos with big parties etc, coz it looks "real" as certain countries and communities "usually" do it ( so assuming everyone has to do it ) while common-law etc is more acceptable from Europe and US

 

[basketballfan]

When honour-related violence begins to be prosecuted firmly, fairly and effectively in Pakistan than perhaps I'll take a different view on levels of tolerance - http://hbv-awareness.com/, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19286837. According to her, the families have voiced their concerns about the impact of divorce on their family honour and therefore have refused the divorce. If she tries to get the application rejected and that is discovered then that just makes that situation 10 times worse. What we don't know is what does this honour issue mean in this family - can it be mitigated by a payment that gets sent back to his family, a general stigma or is it likely to result in something more serious like a family dispute? I just feel that this is an issue that requires negotiation with the parties involved and that purposely trying to get an application rejected is not worth it, particularly where misrepresentation may be concerned.

Anyways, I didn't mean to bash your country. My own country of heritage (Uganda) has serious human rights issues - re: anti-homosexuality law. I just don't think that this issue around honour voiced by her family would be taken lightly by her.

 

[blueangel371115]

It sounds to me as if it was an arranged marriage and being somewhat of a people pleaser myself I can kind of understand. She didn't want to make waves or hurt anyone as maybe she felt it was expected of her to marry him. I have heard of cases like that occurring. Just being devil's advocate here. In some cultures, it isn't as easy as saying, 'nope I don't want to.'

 

[Edgehead78]

There is a difference...I would never jump into a discussion unrelated to my country and start bashing it just because if i have strong dislike against that country...even now I did not mention the name of any country. However, i would not just sit and watch a bunch of idiots throwing dirt on my country

This kind of discussion brings out the worst of people who would pose as the nicest people on the planet earth but will not waste an opportunity to drop the veil to spit out their venom.

If I was as stupid as you and have dislike for other countries, i would have listed filipinos are this and that...but I would not base my opinion on few big headed idiots when I already know that filipinos are one of the most friendly and humble people

Please quote here where someone said that Pakistan sucks or is this and that. I never said I have a dislike for any other country. People here are trying to advise the OP on her situation and its clear that you don't agree with them given your reaction.
By the way, your storm of insults against us clearly shows that you're missing arguments.

 

[SenoritaBella]

In my culture, the wife/her family does not have to return the dowry even if she initiates the divorce. But if she wants to marry a different man, she(or her family) has to return what the first man gave as dowry.

If the ex-husband accepts it, the new man can pay her dowry. But if the ex refuses it, the new man can not pay her dowry. It is forbidden(by culture) for her parents to accept dowry from two men because it will mean she married two men(i.e. bigamy).

I don't know if dowry is the correct term or if there is a more technically correct word for this, that is why I said she does not get dowry
Has to be returned if the wife initiates the separation, but of course if the guy wants he can just decide to waive this off. [I personally can't think of any straight headed guy would be concerned about money when his marriage is fallen apart, least of the worries]

 

[zardoz]

Of course, the OP could turn round and say "I have decided that Canada is not for me and I am returning home".
I wonder if the husband will then try and divorce HER instead. If so, it was always a "Marriage of Convenience".


For reference: http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-2002-227/page-3.html#h-3

Division 2
Family Relationships

Bad faith

4. (1) For the purposes of these Regulations, a foreign national shall not be considered a spouse, a
common-law partner or a conjugal partner of a person if the marriage, common-law partnership or
conjugal partnership

  (a) was entered into primarily for the purpose of acquiring any status or privilege under the Act; or

  (b) is not genuine.

 

[amjad1002]

Please quote here where someone said that Pakistan sucks or is this and that. I never said I have a dislike for any other country. People here are trying to advise the OP on her situation and its clear that you don't agree with them given your reaction. Just continue to live in your retarded culture where girls are just victims of their parents and husbands arranged marriages and belated "honor".
By the way, your storm of insults against us clearly shows that you're missing arguments.

Hey man in our culture we can marry with what ever girl or boy but must be good family back ground so dont miss up here other cultur and do your work got it.

 

[amjad1002]

Oh yeah, you're all a bunch of victims. How unlucky you are to be born in Pakistan...
You're not better than the OP because you're badmouthing all other countries by assuming they are getting married for pr and sending mafia to Canada.

Hey Mr what are you saying mafia ?
R u in your mind?

 

[amjad1002]

It's cases like this, no wonder why Pakistan has the world's longest processing time and the strict requirement of "All documents must be originals, no photocopies". I don't know if it's because Pakistan is a truly horrible country to live in and everyone wants to get out by any means, whether applying as refugee, or marriage fraud, or creating fraudulent documents.

Hey Mr
Its depand on person to person its not only Pakistan its also in vaitnam thailand singapore china india and all asian and other countries so do not try to mention one country name.

 

[amjad1002]

Well you're doing the right thing by cancelling sponsorship. As for your parents, just say "I will not stand up for marriage fraud", and just move on. You're a grown adult living in a free society like Canada, do what you feel.

She is not saying that they are doing marriage frade i hope you dont understad here position so do not try to mention your wrong stuff .