I agree to some extend. However, if the federal government consider that there are some external factors mitigating the health sector capacity. Then the parliament has a statutory authority to enact new or amend the existing law to address the issue.
Birthing visa refused
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Authority, yes. Impetus, not unless it's politically necessary. There's a difference.
Parliament is fully aware of many legal issues that they have the statutory authority to fix. There are dozens of clauses in the Criminal Code that have been struck down by the Supreme Court but have not been removed. That causes confusion in the criminal law, but there's no urgency to fixing it.
Birth tourism is causing intense pressure on some parts of the medical system. There isn't a political will to do anything yet. It is not an internal issue.
You're right! There is possibly contradiction in the law and immigration policy. What I mean by this, a prospective foreign national, looking to take advantage of jus soli in Canada. Will refer to IRCC website, regulation and instruction in making application. Whereas, she maybe innocent of any negative impact of her action believing it's legal.
But that's not how visa applications work. Just because an intent to visit is not illegal per statute or regulation does not mean it's a valid visit purpose.
Visa officers also consider "public policy" and threats to the integrity of the immigration system in their evaluations. Many people with perfectly legal purposes of visit are refused. As the OP herself stated, a visa is a privilege, not a right.
Just because Canada's citizenship law is jus soli does not mean that birth tourism is a positive or obligatory-grant reason for a visa.
Yet again as someone who had just arrived in Canada you seem to believe that Provinces can somehow meet capacity. Never going happen unless the healthcare budgets double which will certainly not happen. The reality is that long wait times will continue and the most acute get first priority. This system is set up to save people if they are in acute need but chronic issue take a longer no time to deal with. 6 month wait time for surgery or procedures is pretty standard and would be considered fast in many regions. Waiting for a specialist can take 2-12 months. Wait time for longterm care is 1-2 years. This has all to do about money and the ageing population doesn’t help. The healthcare you receive is still better then many places in the world but many people have unrealistic expectations about the Canadian healthcare system. As your friends if there are empty beds in Canadian hospitals or enough beds. Sure they will tell you the exact same thing.
Now I understand your point. I never consider those in emergency situation, palliative and long term care. I was mindful of the OP question as regard maternity and short term care. I do agree with your submission. I could remembered in the past it's easy to book appointment with medical specialist, but now the wait list and wait times is unimaginable. I was thinking, maybe this is happening to Toronto and the GTA alone due to influx of new immigrants as projected by IRCC (300,000 plus).
I seriously do not understand or see the need for the back and forth.
As of now,Canada hasn’t put an end to Jus soli,so it’s just normal people that who intend to birth in Canada will apply.
Like I said visa issuance is a privilege and not a right.
I am not an advocating of misusing visas,not paying bills,using free health care when you do not qualify for it,staying longer than stipulated time..
It seems the argument from majority here is deep and somewhat personal
Like you determined to wage war against people who wanna come in from birth tourism Esp countries you consider third world..
It’s sad to see people use derogatory words on a public forum on people whom you don’t even know..
At the end Canada doesn’t owe me or any of my country people a visa..
At the end too I didn’t get the visa ,so no fears ,I ain’t comin to take anyone’s bed space..lol
Hope y’all good now...
As of now,Canada hasn’t put an end to Jus soli,so it’s just normal people that who intend to birth in Canada will apply.
Like I said visa issuance is a privilege and not a right.
I am not an advocating of misusing visas,not paying bills,using free health care when you do not qualify for it,staying longer than stipulated time..
It seems the argument from majority here is deep and somewhat personal
Like you determined to wage war against people who wanna come in from birth tourism Esp countries you consider third world..
It’s sad to see people use derogatory words on a public forum on people whom you don’t even know..
At the end Canada doesn’t owe me or any of my country people a visa..
At the end too I didn’t get the visa ,so no fears ,I ain’t comin to take anyone’s bed space..lol
Hope y’all good now...
No one said that. I am only making the hospital as an example of private or non-for- profit hospital in Toronto.
Unless you are talking about 30+ years ago it has never been easy to book an appointment with a specialist under 6-8 weeks. I would consider it lucky to see a specialist in under 6-8 weeks. Maternity care is something very specific and although you may wait for an hour or more at your appointment unless you have a high risk pregnancy and need a longterm bed and a NICU spot you should be able to get a bed when you are in labour. If you are in for a scheduled c-section you could be asked to return the next day. Cancer care is a major focus so most can get seen within 2 weeks of a diagnosis. Shorter stays in hospitals involves wait times and bed juggling. If you are dying you will get seen in an ER right away but there are always beds in hallways in the ER and you could get stuck in an ER for 24 hrs or more waiting for a bed to be found. It sounds like you have only had to deal with GPs and maternity care which is not representative of the whole system. You actually wait a lot less being in Toronto and have a decent chance of having a GP. Wait times are much longer elsewhere and there are millions of Canadians without a GP.
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It is not really a private hospital since the whole thing is run by public tax dollars. A private clinic would be where you have to pay for care.
The goal of the Canadian system and any publicly funded medical system is to serve those who have the right to care first. When it comes to maternity care you can’t just turn people away because it is an emergency situation. There are hospitals in Canada that turn away any birth tourist looking to give birth at their hospital as long as they are not in labour. They have the staff and space to meet the needs of the local Canadian population. They feel care would be compromised if they accept foreign nationals on top of that. Although woman can apply to give birth in Canada would imagine all are refused visas. Although it is legal Canada tries it’s best to limit birth tourism and it does look that do to increased numbers it will be finally stopped. If the woman does pay her and the child’s bills there is still the access to subsidized education, healthcare, etc. without paying into the tax system which is the bigger implication.
Hospitals in the US are often for profit and have no onus to serve US citizens first. Whoever can pay is welcome at their institution.
It is true it is at least 3 month to see the a specialist for the first time in Canada.
There are countries out there that have better health system where you can see the specialist in 1 or 2 days and very efficient medical care.
There are countries out there that have better health system where you can see the specialist in 1 or 2 days and very efficient medical care.
Specialist wait time varies by specialty and area but @babsizkil seems to have very little knowledge about the healthcare system so shouldn’t comment on it.