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Bill C-6: Senate stage

user3000 said:
If you don't leave canada then I think 3/5 or 4/6 should not matter to you. I think..
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why not? maybe he/she wants to vote or get government job or travel the world without worrying about visa, of course it matters
 
admontreal said:
That's a definition that can be changed by any government who does not lot like it in the future. Slippery slopes cannot become anything but more slippery...
A Canadian terrorist is a Canadian terrorist. And it should and will be Canada's job to deal with him.
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Yes, there cannot be two tiered citizenship even if we have to wait for five years or more
 
itsmyid said:
But the fact they already introduced online application for sponsoring parents does show they somewhat have the will to do something like this
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We have to see how much time they took to implement the online application system. I don't know the details of this system, but to implement this system they might have took at least 6 months time..
 
itsmyid said:
why not? maybe he/she wants to vote or get government job or travel the world without worrying about visa, of course it matters
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I know we all want our applications get processed and get the citizenship soon, whatever may be the reason. But we have to think about the backlogs this bill will create and the people who waited 1 extra year because of the Bill C24. Those who waited 1 extra year because of the C24 should get the fair deal with C-6 changes.
 
It does not matter in my case if it passed in Feb-2017. Yes it will if implemented immediately which i do not think so because of CIC system update and all.
 
Just to add something.

Non-affiliated does not mean the member is not entirely connected to a party, at least by emotion. For example, Jacques Demers (Non-affiliated) is conservative and was appointed by Harper. He supported all bills by conservatives. Therefore, 8 out 12 members of this committee are confirmed to be conservatives.

The committee will propose amendments related to "Canadian is Canadian" and the language requirements. Liberals will never agree to any amendments related to "Canadian is Canadian" because Mr. JT promised to change this and it was one of the major promises in the campaign. "Canadian is Canadian" is not only a promise but it is a slogan for Mr JT and the party and the party will never agree to change that.

So, don't keep your hopes high.
 
user3000 said:
I know we all want our applications get processed and get the citizenship soon, whatever may be the reason. But we have to think about the backlogs this bill will create and the people who waited 1 extra year because of the Bill C24. Those who waited 1 extra year because of the C24 should get the fair deal with C-6 changes.
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In the same way, how about the people who had to wait extra time to apply because they got caught to c 24 and if not might have been citizens by now? They didn't give a fair deal to the people who landed when the three year rule was in effect and then got caught in the middle
 
Whocares said:
Just to add something.

Non-affiliated does not mean the member is not entirely connected to a party, at least by emotion. For example, Jacques Demers (Non-affiliated) is conservative and was appointed by Harper. He supported all bills by conservatives. Therefore, 8 out 12 members of this committee are confirmed to be conservatives.

The committee will propose amendments related to "Canadian is Canadian" and the language requirements. Liberals will never agree to any amendments related to "Canadian is Canadian" because Mr. JT promised to change this and it was one of the major promises in the campaign. "Canadian is Canadian" is not only a promise but it is a slogan for Mr JT and the party and the party will never agree to change that.

So, don't keep your hopes high.
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Liberals will agree my dear, because ministre of immigration himself on 4th or 5eme of octobre proposed that he would accept amendments even omnivdar as i believe.

according to canadian is canadian, both parties have point of view, convicted can be jailed life sentence etc we all dont care about that.

dont forget that in house of commons all parties voted for this bill except cons members, and i am sure most of them disagree but they voted
 
monalisa said:
many jobs they prefere citizenship ;) i faced it
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Absolutely agree with you. Infact I'm going to look for Federal Govt. jobs in IT in Ottawa after getting the Citizenship. Let me know if you have any suggestions..
 
Based on today's events I can say that the bill has reached its second last and most crucial stage.The senate is going to resume in last week of January 2017.By March next year everyone of use waiting eagerly for the fate of bill C6 will get a definate answer of whether c6 will pass and if yes when.Beacuse only 3 possibilities can emerge...
1.The Cons in the committee pass the bill as is.
2.The bill is sent to Hoc and the amendments are accepted and it is passed and sent for the third reading at the house.
3.The liberals and the Cons in the Committee are both not willing to leave their stance and the bill is doomed.

If anything from 1 or 2 happens then we will know for sure that bill will pass Third reading and get royal assent by Jun 2017 and we can expect the 3/5 rule to come into effect in reasonable time after that.
 
HSD said:
Based on today's events I can say that the bill has reached its second last and most crucial stage.The senate is going to resume in last week of January 2017.By March next year everyone of use waiting eagerly for the fate of bill C6 will get a definate answer of whether c6 will pass and if yes when.Beacuse only 3 possibilities can emerge...
1.The Cons in the committee pass the bill as is.
2.The bill is sent to Hoc and the amendments are accepted and it is passed and sent for the third reading at the house.
3.The liberals and the Cons in the Committee are both not willing to leave their stance and the bill is doomed.

If anything from 1 or 2 happens then we will know for sure that bill will pass Third reading and get royal assent by Jun 2017 and we can expect the 3/5 rule to come into effect in reasonable time after that.
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excellent explanation
 
HSD said:
Based on today's events I can say that the bill has reached its second last and most crucial stage.The senate is going to resume in last week of January 2017.By March next year everyone of use waiting eagerly for the fate of bill C6 will get a definate answer of whether c6 will pass and if yes when.Beacuse only 3 possibilities can emerge...
1.The Cons in the committee pass the bill as is.
2.The bill is sent to Hoc and the amendments are accepted and it is passed and sent for the third reading at the house.
3.The liberals and the Cons in the Committee are both not willing to leave their stance and the bill is doomed.

If anything from 1 or 2 happens then we will know for sure that bill will pass Third reading and get royal assent by Jun 2017 and we can expect the 3/5 rule to come into effect in reasonable time after that.
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I have little idea how things like this work in Canada. But your prediction and explanation is convincing. I really hope that it will turn out to be either 1 or 2. (for 3 it will be incredibly irresponsible of them all who make this bill drag that long, it's so unfair for PRs, esp those who have been affected by Harper's unforgivable bill C-24).
 
monalisa said:
Liberals will agree my dear, because ministre of immigration himself on 4th or 5eme of octobre proposed that he would accept amendments even omnivdar as i believe.

according to canadian is canadian, both parties have point of view, convicted can be jailed life sentence etc we all dont care about that.

dont forget that in house of commons all parties voted for this bill except cons members, and i am sure most of them disagree but they voted
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They will agree to reasonable amendements brought by Senator Omidvar to make things more Fair. Not to remove a key component which is restoring equal citizenship for all.
Also, the committee has a new composition so the Conservatives won't have control.
The most likely scenario will be to have the bill passed as is in March.
The best case scenario is to have the bill modified to address certain gaps in the due process for citizenship revocation.
But if someone thinks Liberals will agree to drop the new language requirements or the terrorist clause, they should reconsider their expectations ...
 
HSD said:
Based on today's events I can say that the bill has reached its second last and most crucial stage.The senate is going to resume in last week of January 2017.By March next year everyone of use waiting eagerly for the fate of bill C6 will get a definate answer of whether c6 will pass and if yes when.Beacuse only 3 possibilities can emerge...
1.The Cons in the committee pass the bill as is.
2.The bill is sent to Hoc and the amendments are accepted and it is passed and sent for the third reading at the house.
3.The liberals and the Cons in the Committee are both not willing to leave their stance and the bill is doomed.

If anything from 1 or 2 happens then we will know for sure that bill will pass Third reading and get royal assent by Jun 2017 and we can expect the 3/5 rule to come into effect in reasonable time after that.
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1 is most likely and the least I expect
2 is what I hope because Minister McCallum, Sen. Omidvar and MP Kwan are working on amendments to enhance the revocation process. But those would be the only amendments accepted.
3 is impossible. The Senate will be reminded pretty convincinly of its role, exactly how it was the case for C-2 (tax credits) ans C-4 (Assisted-dying). They can 'enhance' a bill, not make it weaker or decide on its destiny.
 
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