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Bill C-6: Senate stage

In his opinion. Other senators, including those who have been pushing for C6 to move quicker, disagree.

We still need to give them the opportunity, time and respect to do their job. We have a date voting will occur by. We need to chill out.
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Which date?
 
jsm0085 said:
In his opinion. Other senators, including those who have been pushing for C6 to move quicker, disagree.

We still need to give them the opportunity, time and respect to do their job. We have a date voting will occur by. We need to chill out.
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There is no agreement on a voting date. Unless they vote for a date to end this game then what ur stating means nothing.
 
spyfy said:
I am not questioning that the issue they are talking about is important.

However, and Senator Harder has put this perfectly, this is a repeal bill. They are AMENDING a bill. Which means they have to stay within the scope of the bill. You can change the language requirements to a compromise between 55 and 65, namely 60. You can add the reintroduction of an appeals process which was in fact removed by the bill that this bill is trying to repeal.

But you cannot introduce a completely new topic. The possibility for minors to apply for citizenship is an important topic. But it is not, unlike the other amendments, in any way related to the scope of this bill. The implications of applications by minors is something that shouldn't just be introduced because some people feel strongly about it. It's like showing a picture of crying babies and then saying "babies are crying, we must do something about it" while the Senate is debating car manufacturing regulations.
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Ohh, they can. It takes that long partially because they can. Senate rules are more flexible than the ones of the HoC. With the leave of the senate, a senator can propose almost any amendment. That's why we saw Omidvar's amendment (which was ruled out of scope at HoC), then the language amendment, and now children-related amendment.
 
Despite the frustration. I would rather have a complete bill covering many of the shortcomings of all previous citizenship bills. A bill that is fair and working. Otherwise, if loopholes are still there, future goverments either Liberal. Conservative or NDP might introduce newer bills to address such shortcomings and perhaps repeal many good things that is being fought for in C6 (like residency, language, revocation ... etc). If a certain ammendment is not pertaining to the article that helps our individual cases (say 3/5), it does not mean it is not equally important.

In fact, I would rather they debate on such new and side ammendments and they run of time before the whole bill vote, rather than give them time to change vital and core articles of C6 ;)
 
Whocares said:
There is no agreement on a voting date. Unless they vote for a date to end this game then what ur stating means nothing.
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It's happening in the first week after easter. It's been discussed.
 
knightofOrthodoxy said:
Despite the frustration. I would rather have a complete bill covering many of the shortcomings of all previous citizenship bills. A bill that is fair and working. Otherwise, if loopholes are still there, future goverments either Liberal. Conservative or NDP might introduce newer bills to address such shortcomings and perhaps repeal many good things that is being fought for in C6 (like residency, language, revocation ... etc). If a certain ammendment is not pertaining to the article that helps our individual cases (say 3/5), it does not mean it is not equally important.

In fact, I would rather they debate on such new and side ammendments and they run of time before the whole bill vote, rather than give them time to change vital and core articles of C6 ;)
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Thank you.
 
jsm0085 said:
In his opinion. Other senators, including those who have been pushing for C6 to move quicker, disagree.

We still need to give them the opportunity, time and respect to do their job. We have a date voting will occur by. We need to chill out.
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Just to clarify: I'm not frustrated about the delay. Who cares about four weeks. I am actually more concerned about the general direction the Senate seems to take since the large intake of independent Senators in the fall. You can see it with C-4, you can see it with C-6. One day (hopefully) I will be a Canadian citizen and I will be able to vote for the house of commons. But no matter what government I vote it, there is now this independently-dominated senate that just adds random pet-projects to bills. Even to bills which are direct consequences of the platform the government was elected on.

There is an abundant amount of important topics. There always is another topic that is also important and should be dealt with in any bill. Politics has to prioritize. But I want elected representatives to prioritize. And not a body of unelected people with life tenure (until age of 75) in a body whose composition the Canadian electorate has close to zero power to change.

The senate should give sober second thought. They should correct mistakes by the government. But we cannot have an unelected body actually dictate the agenda of the government. There is always other important topics. But it is elected officials who balance all these important topics.

Again, I'm not concerned with these extra four-ish weeks. But with the general direction parliament seems to take.
 
jsm0085 said:
Why? So it speeds up the application process? This is exactly my point. The job of the Senate is not to appease this group of people, which includes me! It's the bigger picture.
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There is no law that addresses every single person's interest.
 
The senate is not bound to follow these dates as there are independent senators and they have equal rights to introduce amendments
jsm0085 said:
It's happening in the first week after easter. It's been discussed.
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richard1234 said:
There is no law that addresses every single person's interest.
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I didn't say there was. But again - the senate shouldn't be quiet just to appease the impatient 3/5 crew. We have a date. Wait.
 
proudian said:
The senate is not bound to follow these dates as there are independent senators and they have equal rights to introduce amendments
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You obviously haven't been following this or you'd understand it's happening. It's been agreed by those who control the Senate.
 
vasyok said:
Ohh, they can. It takes that long partially because they can. Senate rules are more flexible than the ones of the HoC. With the leave of the senate, a senator can propose almost any amendment. That's why we saw Omidvar's amendment (which was ruled out of scope at HoC), then the language amendment, and now children-related amendment.
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Have you followed the debate on C-4 earlier today? There was a Senator who openly admitted that she feels amendments are starting to get out of scope on the regular by now, but that she didn't dare to raise that point earlier. The Senate can amend anything. But they should use their powers responsibly.
 
spyfy said:
Have you followed the debate on C-4 earlier today? There was a Senator who openly admitted that she feels amendments are starting to get out of scope on the regular by now, but that she didn't dare to raise that point earlier. The Senate can amend anything. But they should use their powers responsibly.
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Did you hear the same senator, or others, say the same about C6? No. C4 is a different bill.
 
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