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legalfalcon

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imransyed

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Hello @legalfalcon
My aor was March 12th just before the lockdown and I haven't completed my biometrics yet.
I'm an fsw-o applicant, my experience was from India but I applied from Saudi Arabia and my medicals were done in Saudi Arabia too (passed)

Do you think it is a good idea to apply for gcms? I will apply using getgcms.com but I'm worried that my file hasn't moved around due to the lockdown.

My work experience is what bothers me, it was two years of part time work in India and then year and a half of full time work at a small proprietor ship firm in India and same noc. Ircc's website says foreign part time work experience is allowed but I'm still worried.

Please advise and sorry to have repeated this question if it was already mentioned somewhere, didn't show up in my search. Thank you.
 

legalfalcon

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Sep 21, 2015
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Montréal, Quebec, Canada
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FSW
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Ottawa
NOC Code......
4112
App. Filed.......
03-09-2015
Doc's Request.
01-10-2015
AOR Received.
03-09-2015
Med's Done....
17-08-2015
Passport Req..
05-04-2016
VISA ISSUED...
12-04-2016
LANDED..........
05-05-2016
Hello @legalfalcon
My aor was March 12th just before the lockdown and I haven't completed my biometrics yet.
I'm an fsw-o applicant, my experience was from India but I applied from Saudi Arabia and my medicals were done in Saudi Arabia too (passed)

Do you think it is a good idea to apply for gcms? I will apply using getgcms.com but I'm worried that my file hasn't moved around due to the lockdown.

My work experience is what bothers me, it was two years of part time work in India and then year and a half of full time work at a small proprietor ship firm in India and same noc. Ircc's website says foreign part time work experience is allowed but I'm still worried.

Please advise and sorry to have repeated this question if it was already mentioned somewhere, didn't show up in my search. Thank you.
In normal circumstances, i.e. pre-COVID the eligibility was usually started by month 3-4. If you applied in March, you can request your GCMS notes by mid August. By then you should see something in eligibility.

Once you get your GCMS notes, you will see the exact processing details. The eligibility takes place in 2 stages. See my earlier post on this, available at #3,201

If the closest centre where you can give biometrics is still closed, then you can wait. The pending biometrics will delay your criminality, but nothing major.
 
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ALI3333

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Hi

I recently received my GCMS Notes and it mentioned Eligibility Review Required: "Triage Factor". What does it mean?

Please note that I have mentioned 4 Experiences in the Express Entry Profile however, at the time of eAPR, it mentioned only 3 while moved the 4th one to personal history section since i was not able to get the work experience letter from that company (I only worked for a month).

Please advise whether it can be the reason for rejection?

A11.2 Please Review: Triage Factor
R87: Appears to meet
R75: Appears to meet
R76: Appears to meet
Appears to meet FSW score at ITA: 74

Thanks
 

legalfalcon

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4112
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03-09-2015
Doc's Request.
01-10-2015
AOR Received.
03-09-2015
Med's Done....
17-08-2015
Passport Req..
05-04-2016
VISA ISSUED...
12-04-2016
LANDED..........
05-05-2016
Hi

I recently received my GCMS Notes and it mentioned Eligibility Review Required: "Triage Factor". What does it mean?

Please note that I have mentioned 4 Experiences in the Express Entry Profile however, at the time of eAPR, it mentioned only 3 while moved the 4th one to personal history section since i was not able to get the work experience letter from that company (I only worked for a month).

Please advise whether it can be the reason for rejection?

A11.2 Please Review: Triage Factor
R87: Appears to meet
R75: Appears to meet
R76: Appears to meet
Appears to meet FSW score at ITA: 74

Thanks
The Triage Factors refers to the triage criteria as per the ministerial instructions for the program you applied under.
For RR see my previous post:


Understanding “Review Required”

A lot of applicants see “review required” in their GCMS notes for eligibility. There are many theories floating around with regard to what “review required” means and if it is alarming.

Before I venture into explaining the significance, it is important to understand that each application goes through the following stages as per the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act and the regulations (Canadian Immigration Law):

R10 – Completeness Check
Criminality
Medicals
A11.2 – eligibility
Security

Out of the above, the most important stage is eligibility. This is also the most time-consuming stage because your documents have to be verified, evaluated and assessed to ascertain that you meet the eligibility criteria for the program you have applied (FSW / CEC / FTW). To stream line this process and make it easier for an immigration officer (decision making authority), all applications are first evaluated by case analysts or program assistants. They review the documents and summarize it in the GCMS. If they have any concerns with any document or want the immigration officer to carefully look into a specific document, they will flag it as “review required.” It is the content of the note that is important here. If the review required is for a specific document, while the summary of the note says that an applicant has met the eligibility, or “ready to finalize” it simply means that while the applicant has met the eligibility criteria, but the specific document needs a careful examination form the officer before promoting (eligibility pass) by the officer.

However, if there are concerns, there will be a review required for the eligibility, and there will be no text to the effect “ready to finalize” or pass. The note will specifically state job duties do not match, or the employment cannot be verified, or the number of years of work experience claimed cannot be verified. This is where an application can land in muddy waters. But the final decision rests on the immigration officer. He may override the decision of the analyst / assistant or go with the analysis of the analyst / assistant.

Even in cases where the analyst / assistant is of the opinion that the applicant has met the eligibility, and there is no “review required,” the officer can replace it with his own opinion. Though rare, but it does happen. This is why the eligibility is only passed when an officer conclusively marks the eligibility as passed.

Finally, there is “review required” for PoF. This is the most common in many applications. This is because, the financial and banking practices of each country are different. Eg. Fixed deposits are know as Certificate of Deposit (CD) in the US. Similarly, treasury bonds, mutual funds, stocks, and many other investment vehicles are there. If your PoF anything other than a bank deposit, it is more likely that it will be marked as “review required.” Also, IRCC does not go by day to day fluctuations in FOREX. Instead, the Canadian federal government issued a quarterly conversion rate for all FOREX vis-a-via CAD. If your PoF is in a foreign currency, then you may have “review required” for the officer to make a determination.

Just because you have “review required” does not mean that you hit the panic mode. Instead, read the context in which it is there. If there is a concern regarding a document, you can send a replacement document via CSE. The most common reasons for RR are:

1. Work reference letter without job duties
2. Work reference letters missing all the details requested by IRCC
3. If you submitted a letter from a colleague because you were unable to get one from your employer, but did not have a LoE on file, this too will lead to RR.
4. Not sufficient work experience in the primary NOC.
5. Inability to verify your employment as your employer details are missing.

There are just some of the scenarios.

Hope this helps.
 

Mike@2019

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Hello @legalfalcon on page 1 of my notes, under APPLICATION, my RPRF says outstanding. It was requested for on 13 May and I made payment of 15 May and attached receipt of payment in my account in the placeholder for RPRF.

Under INCOMING 1 in the notes, I can see item: RPRF and associated date: 15 May. Please have a look at the link https://ibb.co/tXwKCG8

Could it be that my payment has not been updated yet? I'm concerned my application would be refused as incomplete.

I have sent a web form to this effect and attached receipt of payment again. Would this be enough?
 

ALI3333

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Aug 2, 2020
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The Triage Factors refers to the triage criteria as per the ministerial instructions for the program you applied under.
For RR see my previous post:


Understanding “Review Required”

A lot of applicants see “review required” in their GCMS notes for eligibility. There are many theories floating around with regard to what “review required” means and if it is alarming.

Before I venture into explaining the significance, it is important to understand that each application goes through the following stages as per the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act and the regulations (Canadian Immigration Law):

R10 – Completeness Check
Criminality
Medicals
A11.2 – eligibility
Security

Out of the above, the most important stage is eligibility. This is also the most time-consuming stage because your documents have to be verified, evaluated and assessed to ascertain that you meet the eligibility criteria for the program you have applied (FSW / CEC / FTW). To stream line this process and make it easier for an immigration officer (decision making authority), all applications are first evaluated by case analysts or program assistants. They review the documents and summarize it in the GCMS. If they have any concerns with any document or want the immigration officer to carefully look into a specific document, they will flag it as “review required.” It is the content of the note that is important here. If the review required is for a specific document, while the summary of the note says that an applicant has met the eligibility, or “ready to finalize” it simply means that while the applicant has met the eligibility criteria, but the specific document needs a careful examination form the officer before promoting (eligibility pass) by the officer.

However, if there are concerns, there will be a review required for the eligibility, and there will be no text to the effect “ready to finalize” or pass. The note will specifically state job duties do not match, or the employment cannot be verified, or the number of years of work experience claimed cannot be verified. This is where an application can land in muddy waters. But the final decision rests on the immigration officer. He may override the decision of the analyst / assistant or go with the analysis of the analyst / assistant.

Even in cases where the analyst / assistant is of the opinion that the applicant has met the eligibility, and there is no “review required,” the officer can replace it with his own opinion. Though rare, but it does happen. This is why the eligibility is only passed when an officer conclusively marks the eligibility as passed.

Finally, there is “review required” for PoF. This is the most common in many applications. This is because, the financial and banking practices of each country are different. Eg. Fixed deposits are know as Certificate of Deposit (CD) in the US. Similarly, treasury bonds, mutual funds, stocks, and many other investment vehicles are there. If your PoF anything other than a bank deposit, it is more likely that it will be marked as “review required.” Also, IRCC does not go by day to day fluctuations in FOREX. Instead, the Canadian federal government issued a quarterly conversion rate for all FOREX vis-a-via CAD. If your PoF is in a foreign currency, then you may have “review required” for the officer to make a determination.

Just because you have “review required” does not mean that you hit the panic mode. Instead, read the context in which it is there. If there is a concern regarding a document, you can send a replacement document via CSE. The most common reasons for RR are:

1. Work reference letter without job duties
2. Work reference letters missing all the details requested by IRCC
3. If you submitted a letter from a colleague because you were unable to get one from your employer, but did not have a LoE on file, this too will lead to RR.
4. Not sufficient work experience in the primary NOC.
5. Inability to verify your employment as your employer details are missing.

There are just some of the scenarios.

Hope this helps.
Thank You for assistance!
 

caipsnotes

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Hi

I recently received my GCMS Notes and it mentioned Eligibility Review Required: "Triage Factor". What does it mean?

Please note that I have mentioned 4 Experiences in the Express Entry Profile however, at the time of eAPR, it mentioned only 3 while moved the 4th one to personal history section since i was not able to get the work experience letter from that company (I only worked for a month).

Please advise whether it can be the reason for rejection?

A11.2 Please Review: Triage Factor
R87: Appears to meet
R75: Appears to meet
R76: Appears to meet
Appears to meet FSW score at ITA: 74

Thanks
Check this post for more on Triage Factor
https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/triage-1-what-is-it.394831/
 
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legalfalcon

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FSW
Visa Office......
Ottawa
NOC Code......
4112
App. Filed.......
03-09-2015
Doc's Request.
01-10-2015
AOR Received.
03-09-2015
Med's Done....
17-08-2015
Passport Req..
05-04-2016
VISA ISSUED...
12-04-2016
LANDED..........
05-05-2016
Hello @legalfalcon on page 1 of my notes, under APPLICATION, my RPRF says outstanding. It was requested for on 13 May and I made payment of 15 May and attached receipt of payment in my account in the placeholder for RPRF.

Under INCOMING 1 in the notes, I can see item: RPRF and associated date: 15 May. Please have a look at the link https://ibb.co/tXwKCG8

Could it be that my payment has not been updated yet? I'm concerned my application would be refused as incomplete.

I have sent a web form to this effect and attached receipt of payment again. Would this be enough?

If you have submitted the payment receipt, it will be updated and this is not a ground for refusal. You can also send a webform and enquire if it has been updated.
 
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Akin01

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HI Legal Falcon,

I want to ask a question..

If you have misrepresentation with any embassy while you there for a previous visa interview... can it affect the PR application...
Like u mistakenly say u have a child but in the reality, u dont..

Please advice Legal Falcon bcos the Eligibility status is saying recommend interview at the moment

Can a concern on previous visa interview with other embassy lands to recommend interview
 
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legalfalcon

VIP Member
Sep 21, 2015
19,040
9,897
Montréal, Quebec, Canada
Category........
FSW
Visa Office......
Ottawa
NOC Code......
4112
App. Filed.......
03-09-2015
Doc's Request.
01-10-2015
AOR Received.
03-09-2015
Med's Done....
17-08-2015
Passport Req..
05-04-2016
VISA ISSUED...
12-04-2016
LANDED..........
05-05-2016
HI Legal Falcon,

I want to ask a question..

If you have misrepresentation with any embassy while you there for a previous visa interview... can it affect the PR application...
Like u mistakenly say u have a child but in the reality, u dont..

Please advice Legal Falcon bcos the Eligibility status is saying recommend interview at the moment

Can a concern on previous visa interview with other embassy lands to recommend interview
When you say other embassy, I am assuming you are referring to an embassy other then Canada. Inconsistent applications / statements with other countries or embassies has no bearing on your Canadian application.

However, an inconsistency in your applications with Canada can lead to misrepresentation.

From my previous post:


The issue was, whether prior TRV application in which an employment detail was left out can be added to the PR application, and would this inconsistency be of any concern.

The answer is simple. If you file any application with IRCC, TRV, WP, PR etc, any of them can be looked into to review your current application and any inconsistency can be a cause of misrepresentation. All applications have to be consistent, and if they are not, a reason on why you omitted the information has to be provided.

Now I will not be deliberating that if the prior application was refused, why it should be looked into again, or you file a TRV before and you did not disclose an employment but subsequently claimed pints for it in PR and got a PPR without any issues. This is all anecdotal. Just because someone was not caught, does not make him innocent.

They law is clear, while applications for different types of status engage different considerations, it does not necessarily flow that statements made in temporary residence applications cannot affect subsequent permanent residence applications (or vice versa). In Suri v. Canada , the court found that the Officer’s concerns vis-à-vis the contradictions between the Applicants’ temporary and permanent applications were reasonable and based on that the applicant's misrepresentation ban was upheld.

Federal courts have ruled on this numerous times.

Similarly, in the case of In Goburdhun v Canada (Citizenship and Immigration), 2013 FC 971 at para 28, Justice Strickland summarized the key considerations outlined in the jurisprudence, including the fact that paragraph 40(1)(a) is to be given a broad interpretation, capturing misrepresentations even if made by a third party such as a consultant, without the knowledge of the applicant (see also Wang v Canada (Citizenship and Immigration), 2015 FC 647 at para 25). The only exception to this rule is narrow and applies in the truly extraordinary circumstances where an applicant honestly and reasonably believed that they were not misrepresenting a material fact and knowledge of the misrepresentation was beyond the applicant’s control.
 

Akin01

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When you say other embassy, I am assuming you are referring to an embassy other then Canada. Inconsistent applications / statements with other countries or embassies has no bearing on your Canadian application.

However, an inconsistency in your applications with Canada can lead to misrepresentation.

From my previous post:


The issue was, whether prior TRV application in which an employment detail was left out can be added to the PR application, and would this inconsistency be of any concern.

The answer is simple. If you file any application with IRCC, TRV, WP, PR etc, any of them can be looked into to review your current application and any inconsistency can be a cause of misrepresentation. All applications have to be consistent, and if they are not, a reason on why you omitted the information has to be provided.

Now I will not be deliberating that if the prior application was refused, why it should be looked into again, or you file a TRV before and you did not disclose an employment but subsequently claimed pints for it in PR and got a PPR without any issues. This is all anecdotal. Just because someone was not caught, does not make him innocent.

They law is clear, while applications for different types of status engage different considerations, it does not necessarily flow that statements made in temporary residence applications cannot affect subsequent permanent residence applications (or vice versa). In Suri v. Canada , the court found that the Officer’s concerns vis-à-vis the contradictions between the Applicants’ temporary and permanent applications were reasonable and based on that the applicant's misrepresentation ban was upheld.

Federal courts have ruled on this numerous times.

Similarly, in the case of In Goburdhun v Canada (Citizenship and Immigration), 2013 FC 971 at para 28, Justice Strickland summarized the key considerations outlined in the jurisprudence, including the fact that paragraph 40(1)(a) is to be given a broad interpretation, capturing misrepresentations even if made by a third party such as a consultant, without the knowledge of the applicant (see also Wang v Canada (Citizenship and Immigration), 2015 FC 647 at para 25). The only exception to this rule is narrow and applies in the truly extraordinary circumstances where an applicant honestly and reasonably believed that they were not misrepresenting a material fact and knowledge of the misrepresentation was beyond the applicant’s control.



Thank you Legal Falcon for the swift response.

What am trying to say is for instance if during a previous visa interview with Australia or USA embassy, and someone mistakenly says during the interview that he have a child but I don't he doesnt

He applies for PR application and He said He don't have a child on the application

My question is during Info sharing with those embassies will they see it...

Does it have any effect on the current PR application...
 

legalfalcon

VIP Member
Sep 21, 2015
19,040
9,897
Montréal, Quebec, Canada
Category........
FSW
Visa Office......
Ottawa
NOC Code......
4112
App. Filed.......
03-09-2015
Doc's Request.
01-10-2015
AOR Received.
03-09-2015
Med's Done....
17-08-2015
Passport Req..
05-04-2016
VISA ISSUED...
12-04-2016
LANDED..........
05-05-2016
Thank you Legal Falcon for the swift response.

What am trying to say is for instance if during a previous visa interview with Australia or USA embassy, and someone mistakenly says during the interview that he have a child but I don't he doesnt

He applies for PR application and He said He don't have a child on the application

My question is during Info sharing with those embassies will they see it...

Does it have any effect on the current PR application...
You have to understand that the info sharing is done to find the criminal incidents of an applicant or know if an individual is wanted is for any criminal, human rights, or money laundering cases. Info sharing is very minimal and has privacy concerns, so only info of substantial nature is shared, not previous visa applications or statements to via officials.

See https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/mandate/policies-operational-instructions-agreements/agreements.html