+1(514) 937-9445 or Toll-free (Canada & US) +1 (888) 947-9445

November 2018 AOR - Join here

kzeed12

Hero Member
May 28, 2019
620
483
Visa Office......
Sydney CIO Nova Scotia
AOR Received.
22-09-2018
Quora uses cookies to improve your experience. Read more
Employees

Why is CIC so slow and what are their employees doing all day?
This question previously had details. They are now in a comment.

Answer
49
Follow
Request


More
11 ANSWERS

Martin Levine
, former Canadian Foreign Service Officer at Government of Canada (1978-2009)
Updated Sep 12, 2017

As I have said in other answers, I am a retired visa officer (Canadian overseas immigration officer). I worked for CIC and its predecessors for many years.

Concerning “slow”, are you speaking of applications for visitor visas or applications to immigrate to Canada? Processing procedures and processing times are very different depending on what sort of visa you are applying for.

Visa applicants so often seem to imagine that CIC and its programming must be the most important activity conducted by the Government of Canada. It’s not even close. Historically immigration and visas have been much lower priorities than other Government of Canada activity, such as Employment Insurance, National Defence, international trade relations, income tax collection, implementing bilingualism legislation, regulating and ensuring the safety of the transportation industry, the pharmaceutical industry etc. After all, immigration applicants don’t vote.

The Government of Canada has a central budgetary agency called the Treasury Board. Each fiscal year every Government of Canada department must apply to the Treasury Board for its funding. The Treasury Board is responsible for advising the Prime Minister and the federal Cabinet about priorities for disbursing Government of Canada funds. The Government of Canada never has anything near the funds to resource every department to the hilt. There is no real reason to identify CIC as a special priority to receive large amounts of funding and resources.

The funds paid by visa applicants do not go into a special CIC account. Those fees are paid to the Receiver General for Canada. The Receiver General ‘s accounts are a central repository for all sorts of fees paid to the Government of Canada. It is mostly there where the Treasury Board finds the funds it will disburse.

I would almost suggest that the revenue producing parts of CIC ( principally the skilled worker program) be spun off into what in Canada we call a “Crown Corporation”.

Wikipedia describes what a Crown Corporation is:

Crown corporations of Canada - Wikipedia

Essentially a crown corporation acts in some ways like a private company but is owned by the Canadian federal or a provincial government. They operate “at arms length” from the federal or provincial bureaucracy and make most of their own business judgements. Unlike federal departments they collect and allocate their own revenues. Were a crown corporation operating the federal skilled worker selection program you might see much more efficient and timely operations.

The visa application program operated by CIC happens in the context of a rather rigid, hierarchical bureaucracy. Also, since the 1960’s a strong objective of Canada’s immigration selection legislation has been to limit the discretion of visa officers in order to reduce subjectivity and restrict the ability of visa officers to make such subjective and racist decisions. Even in the case of visitor visa applications visa officers are expected to note up the reasons for their decisions in the GCMS electronic visa processing system. This takes time, sometimes a lot of it.

I should note that, due to technical and infrastructural limitations GCMS sometimes stops and does not work. (Perhaps it could work better if more resources were devoted to operating it but there aren’t such resources.) In a situation like that the visa officer has no alternative but to stop work and look helplessly at their computer screen.

When I became a visa officer in 1978 the immigration program was to a large extent beyond the Canadian public eye. There was little attention in the Canadian media to visa matters. The immigration bar (those lawyers who specialize in immigration matters) was small and not always very professional. Now things are very different. In particular litigation is now very common. A visa officer’s notes have to be adequate enough to withstand review by the Federal Court. A visa officer would want to think very carefully and take extra time with their notes, and never have them become a source of derision by the Canadian media. This type of publicity can easily destroy your career.

I have mentioned in another Answer that, in my opinion, there has been intense pressure to reduce the cost of Canada’s visa operations. One of the results is to take as much as the processing as possible and “dumb it down” so it can be done by lower-paid clerical staff in Canadian processing centres, not more experienced and better paid visa officers. One of the unintended results is a substantial number of processing errors. This increases processing time.

So many applicants do not understand that CIC does not have full control of the visa application process. CIC has to rely heavily on CSIS, the RCMP and CBSA for security and criminal clearances. These federal agencies have many other, more important priorities than visas.

Visa applicants do not always understand that immigration visas are subject to rationing by the annual immigration levels system. CIC has to allocate resources to each visa office according to the contribution that office is expected to make to the annual level. A given visa office is only expected, or allowed, to issue a certain number of immigration visas per year. They are not allowed to issue as many visas as they can. At times they must delay or stop processing certain categories of visas.

I have alluded in the Answer I mention above to problems in the working environment and career system for visa officers. Put yourself in a visa officer’s shoes. How productive would you be?

Martin Levine
They should not have started calling it an EXPRESS ENTRY SYSTEM - instead could have called it a general entry system with general awareness of ONE YEAR and beyond timeline rather than hyping up the timeline of average Six months just to lure candidates in to apply for the program..

If real statistics was published by IRCC on the number of applicants in the pool, stats on people who have applied and are still in queue, the amount of backlogs in comparison to the number of PPR's released everymonth - it is going to make them look bad - for sure
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: canadian_pr_1

SithLord

VIP Member
Aug 18, 2017
6,865
5,133
i do not think they really care about being embarased - looks like they know about their system - they are way past that ..
That is why nowadays when you call the +1-613 number - they say not to use profanity - because of stressed out candidates calling them and venting at them..

i kinda regret on applying - i should have looked into Australia or Newzealand - its too late after 2 years time and effort invested into this bull crap ..

Started thinking about this process almost 2 years with wes / ielts / pcc's ..

its sad
I was shocked to hear that and kept wondering are people actually yelling at the call centre agents? :eek:

There are some people waiting for over 2 years so it's really hard to imagine what goes through their minds.
 
  • Like
Reactions: bc92 and kzeed12

kzeed12

Hero Member
May 28, 2019
620
483
Visa Office......
Sydney CIO Nova Scotia
AOR Received.
22-09-2018
I was shocked to hear that and kept wondering are people actually yelling at the call centre agents? :eek:

There are some people waiting for over 2 years so it's really hard to imagine what goes through their minds.
yup - if IRCC does not do something about the efficiency in their processing - it is going to get worse..

If there was an opening note while applying for Express Entry on IRCC website that says "PLEASE DO NOT QUIT YOUR JOB AND PUT ANY HOPE OR EXPECTATION ON THIS PROCESS - Until you get PPR - That would have helped a lot ..

Could have avoided the waiting game and the 6 month expectation
 
  • Like
Reactions: bc92

amans39

Star Member
Jul 11, 2019
132
106
I was shocked to hear that and kept wondering are people actually yelling at the call centre agents? :eek:

There are some people waiting for over 2 years so it's really hard to imagine what goes through their minds.
That's appalling. I came to know of a guy who is waiting since March 2017 and still no decision. Let's just keep our fingers crossed that they clear us all before reaching the year mark.
 

thecoolguysam

VIP Member
May 25, 2011
4,821
382
Canada
I dug through the notes and found the following:

11.2-EE MI "Review Required" Central Intake Office
Selection-EE Econ "Review Required" CPC-Ottawa


Also under Criminality it states: Recommendation:Review Required - Pending outstanding PC

We submitted the RCMP clearance in May and I guess no one in IRCC got a chance to look at it.

I am not sure what is it all about and why two offices are involved even though the file is in CPC-Ottawa currently.
 
Last edited:

TonyMX

Newbie
Aug 15, 2019
6
34
Hello everyone,

I have been a silent reader for the past few months. AOR November 14. I have been waiting for 10 months now. I, as I'm sure many of us here, come from a country where the government doesn't do much for their citizens, and I'm trying to immigrate to Canada looking for a better quality of life.

I understand how frustrating the wait can be, but it amazes me how people insults the process, the officers handling their application, or how they complain about new ITAs. I hope they increase the ITA's because I remember being in the pool waiting and praying to receive one, and is not a very good feeling, in fact, it is worst then being in our position.

Of course is not going to be easy to immigrate to a country like Canada. If it were, a lot more people would be applying. The process has an efficacy of over 80%, I don't know about you, but for me that would classify it as a good one. Don't get sour because we are the few unlucky ones. There's people who received their PPR under six months. I bet if we were on that group we would be venerating the system and whom ever touch our application to make it possible.

I'm sure that if our documentation is all in order we will receive the PPR very soon. Don't lose hope and think positive. There's going to be day were you will be sipping a Tim Hortons coffee on a -30c winter morning, and you will remember how tough and stressful it was to immigrate to Canada, but you will only be able to smile because you made it.

Cheers
 

greenboymx

Star Member
Feb 10, 2018
147
173
Hello everyone,

I have been a silent reader for the past few months. AOR November 14. I have been waiting for 10 months now. I, as I'm sure many of us here, come from a country where the government doesn't do much for their citizens, and I'm trying to immigrate to Canada looking for a better quality of life.

I understand how frustrating the wait can be, but it amazes me how people insults the process, the officers handling their application, or how they complain about new ITAs. I hope they increase the ITA's because I remember being in the pool waiting and praying to receive one, and is not a very good feeling, in fact, it is worst then being in our position.

Of course is not going to be easy to immigrate to a country like Canada. If it were, a lot more people would be applying. The process has an efficacy of over 80%, I don't know about you, but for me that would classify it as a good one. Don't get sour because we are the few unlucky ones. There's people who received their PPR under six months. I bet if we were on that group we would be venerating the system and whom ever touch our application to make it possible.

I'm sure that if our documentation is all in order we will receive the PPR very soon. Don't lose hope and think positive. There's going to be day were you will be sipping a Tim Hortons coffee on a -30c winter morning, and you will remember how tough and stressful it was to immigrate to Canada, but you will only be able to smile because you made it.

Cheers
BRAVO!
 

kzeed12

Hero Member
May 28, 2019
620
483
Visa Office......
Sydney CIO Nova Scotia
AOR Received.
22-09-2018
@SithLord Has there been instances where ircc extend medical for outland applicants or do they extend only for inland applicants
 
May 13, 2019
13
1
Hello everyone,

I have been a silent reader for the past few months. AOR November 14. I have been waiting for 10 months now. I, as I'm sure many of us here, come from a country where the government doesn't do much for their citizens, and I'm trying to immigrate to Canada looking for a better quality of life.

I understand how frustrating the wait can be, but it amazes me how people insults the process, the officers handling their application, or how they complain about new ITAs. I hope they increase the ITA's because I remember being in the pool waiting and praying to receive one, and is not a very good feeling, in fact, it is worst then being in our position.

Of course is not going to be easy to immigrate to a country like Canada. If it were, a lot more people would be applying. The process has an efficacy of over 80%, I don't know about you, but for me that would classify it as a good one. Don't get sour because we are the few unlucky ones. There's people who received their PPR under six months. I bet if we were on that group we would be venerating the system and whom ever touch our application to make it possible.

I'm sure that if our documentation is all in order we will receive the PPR very soon. Don't lose hope and think positive. There's going to be day were you will be sipping a Tim Hortons coffee on a -30c winter morning, and you will remember how tough and stressful it was to immigrate to Canada, but you will only be able to smile because you made it.

Cheers
Love your positivity and insights. I think we also need to remember that this forum is only a glimpse of the total number of applicants. Who really knows whether the percentages and "trends" we see on this forum are accurate. Though this is a great forum for resources, it's really only a fraction of the bigger picture. I'm sending positive thoughts your way!
 

Sandhusarwar

Hero Member
Jul 25, 2018
504
180
India
Category........
FSW
Visa Office......
Ottawa
NOC Code......
4031
App. Filed.......
20 November
AOR Received.
20 November
@SithLord Has there been instances where ircc extend medical for outland applicants or do they extend only for inland applicants
Yes they do . Mostly for PPL whose medical is valid for more than 2months.
And med should be clear with no declared or diagnonesd ailments .
 
  • Like
Reactions: kzeed12

priya93

Full Member
Apr 27, 2019
49
28
Hello everyone my time lines are below:

AOR:14 NOV
MEP: 14 Dec
RPRF request received: 3rd january
RPRF paid: 4th January
Complete silence after that
Applied for GCMS around 10th July
IP2: 14th August
PPR: 15TH August

Thank you everyone for being a constant support. I wish and pray that all receive PPR soon.
 

Majid Nawaz

Hero Member
Feb 9, 2016
354
49
Is that true, if a person medical expires then around his/her expiry of medical there is a chance of getting PPR?

Is medical expiry directly proportional to PPR ?
 
  • Like
Reactions: kzeed12

zabrodov

Hero Member
Sep 19, 2018
653
362
Gatineau
Category........
FSW
Visa Office......
Montreal
NOC Code......
4163
App. Filed.......
11-11-2018
AOR Received.
11-11-2018
File Transfer...
24-01-2019
Passport Req..
02-08-2019
LANDED..........
02-09-2019
Is that true, if a person medical expires then around his/her expiry of medical there is a chance of getting PPR?

Is medical expiry directly proportional to PPR ?
No, your medical exam results expire 1 year after you medical exam was done. It's merely a date.