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qwertas

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There will be a couple of security related activities, but security screening will, in most cases have only 4 activities.
Dear legalfalcon,
Maybe from your experience, can you tell what these 7 redacted activities can be related to? Eligibility, criminality, medical is passed, info sharing is complete. The officer mentioned "Ready to finalize". Only security for PA is rest to get PPR.
CBSA notes are pending.
Really appreciate your answer
 

rivertosouth

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Hlo bro,
Can you help me a bit
I am Having Aor 6 April 18 and in Ss since 18 May 18.

I got ghost update yesterday (20 Dec)and I am confused bcoz I also applied for CBSA notes on 20 November 18 and got ghost update exactly after one month.

Did you also got ghost update when your CBSA notes was released??

Second thing is my other things are all clear only criminality is pending.??Any comments on this situation?

Thanks in advance
Regards @rivertosouth
Hi Naaz12,

1. I don't know if I have a ghost update because my account is monitored by an agency, so I can't access to my account by myself.
2. Both my husband's and my criminality have passed according to the GCMS notes. But several months earlier I called IRCC and the agent told me that the background check has two parts and I passed the part 2. According to someone else in this forum, part 1 is criminality and part 2 is security, so I am also very confused.

I don't know if this can help you, but this is all I know.
 
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H. Some scandals CSIS has been involved with.

Even though CSIS is a professional agency that is tasked with the security screening of prospective immigrants, it does not stop its activities there. Even after an applicant is granted PR status, CSIS continues to monitor his activities, as another security screening is done when the PR applies for citizenship. CSIS, from the time someone applies to enter Canada until long after they have citizenship is involved in surveilling, gathering information, creating files, developing profiles, writing and passing on secret reports. There have been frequent complaints about general harassment, and also about the specific behaviour of CSIS. CSIS agents have been known to show up at an individual’s door late at night. As SIRC reports indicate, CSIS agents regularly fail to inform the individual of their right to have an attorney present.

According to the National Council on Canada-Arab Relations (NCCAR), students of Arab origin are being approached by CSIS agents on campus for questioning. They have reportedly been threatened with deportation and revocation of their status if they fail to provide information about community members (“In The Shadow of The Law”, a report by the International Civil Liberties Monitoring Group (ICLMG), 2003).

Toronto immigration lawyer Faisal Kutty elaborates, “Showing up at homes and workplaces unannounced; offering money and favors for “information”; intimidating and threatening newcomers; inquiring about a person’s religiosity; and discouraging people from engaging lawyers are some of the recurring themes that I have come across from clients.” (Faisal Kutty, “The Dirty Work of Canadian Intelligence”, April 2004)

The Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR-CAN) has distributed tens of thousands of “Know Your Rights” guides and organized workshops across the country to help community members deal with CSIS and the RCMP. A community survey conducted in 2004 by CAIR-CAN reports that security officials were using, “troubling tactics” such as “discouraging legal representation, aggressive and threatening behaviour, threats of arrest pursuant to the antiterrorism act, visits at work, intrusive and irrelevant questionning, improper identification, informant solicitation, and interrogation of a minor.” (CAIR-CAN, “Presumption of Guilt”, 2004).

In the past CSIS has been involved in the following scandals:

Maher Arar. Documents divulged in the Arar inquiry reveal that CSIS believed “the U.S. would like to get Arar to Jordan where they can have their way with him,” as early as two days after Mr. Arar was deported by the US to Jordan, and then on to Syria, where he was tortured and imprisonned for nearly a year. According to the Arar inquiry report, CSIS nevertheless visited Syria and met with Syrian intelligence agents during Arar’s incarceration, even passing on questions to be posed to Arar. The information Arar provided under torture was then passed on to CSIS, who in turn passed it on to other Canadian authorities. CSIS's position during this period was that Arar should not return to Canada. Syrian authorities were aware of the position of CSIS, despite Canada's official demand that Arar should be released immediately. Arar is one of several individuals who have gone public with similar stories, including Benamar Benatta, Abdullah Almalki, Ahmad El Maati, Muayyed Nureddin and Abousfian Abdelrazik. The report on this is available at http://www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Committee/402/SECU/Reports/RP4004074/securp03/securp03-e.pdf


Security certificate cases. Security certificates are a “legal” way of doing the same thing that was done to Arar, Benatta, Almalki, El Maati, Nureddin and Abdelrazik: on the basis of secret suspicions, attempting to send people to places where it is known they will be tortured and in the meantime keeping them in indefinite detention. CSIS is the government agency which prepares security certificate cases. Even within the fundamentally flawed framework of the certificate, CSIS has been mired in several scandals, including the destruction of evidence, and possible involvement in media leaks. CSIS has been accused of using information obtained under coercion and torture in these and similar cases. For example, CSIS is known to have introduced information obtained from Abu Zubaydah-the poster boy of the CIA’s “black sites” programme-into the Charkaoui case. CSIS continues to deny that it uses information obtained under torture, but in November 2005, SIRC SIRC reported that CSIS was in no position to make "an absolute assurance" to the government that information it receives from allied spy agencies is not obtained as a result of torture. What is a security certificate - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_certificate

Air India. CSIS destroyed key wiretap evidence and those responsible were not brought to justice. A suspected CSIS mole, Surjan Singh Gill, was identified by the RCMP as one of six main suspects in the bombing. The RCMP believed that he had the explosives and airline ticket with him shortly before two bombs were apparently checked onto flights in Vancouver. Gill left Canada in 2000 and has never been charged. (Globe and Mail, 4 June 2003). More on Air India Case - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Flight_182

Bhupinder S. Liddar. CSIS was caught lying to SIRC [Security Intelligence Review Committee] (in SIRC’s words, the agency “purposefully misled” SIRC in order to "suppress information that was embarrassing to the Service") to cover up its errors in the Liddar case. SIRC reported that CSIS had conducted a “hasty, slipshod investigation” and had ‘a regrettable’ attitude that supporting Arab causes can be suspicious.” (Globe and Mail, 14 September 2005). https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/csis-vows-changes-amid-criticism/article986548/

Targeting Unions. During the 1980s and 1990s, CSIS spied on the Canadian Union of Postal Workers (CUPW). Former CSIS officer John Farrell confessed that, as CUPW engaged in the difficult negotiations leading to the strike of 1991, he and fellow officers prepared dossiers on "troublesome" CUPW leaders. They sought and received authorization to intercept every piece of mail delivered to the homes of targetted labour organizers and to inspect their garbage. They illegally planted a listening device in a postal station and stole keys from a postal depot to break into apartment buildings and mail boxes (Andrew Mitrovica, Covert Entry: Spies, Lies and Crimes Inside Canada's Secret Service). CSIS has always denied these activities. CUPW was not the only union of interest to CSIS. Marc-André Boivin infiltrated Quebec’s CSN for 15 years - first for the RCMP and then for CSIS. Boivin was involved in making bomb threats during a hotel strike.

Heritage Front. Grant Bristow, one of the founders of the neo-Nazi group Heritage Front was employed for five years by CSIS. According to an article by Bill Dunphy of the Toronto Sun, Bristow was supposed to be working as a mole for CSIS, while serving as the intelligence chief and co-director of security for the Heritage Front. However, his active role in hate activities has raised questions. Bristow allegedly ran a programme of harassment against anti-racists in Canada, and provided the Front with personal information on them. More on Heritage Front - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritage_Front



I hope you found this information useful. I try to answer as many questions as I can, but it is humanly impossible for me to answer specific application questions for all applicants. So lets keep this thread to discuss BGC and what other forum members have experienced.

If you have any specific questions for me, please use the threads in my signature.

Thank you.
Thank you for the post! Very informative indeed.
 

legalfalcon

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Dear legalfalcon,
Maybe from your experience, can you tell what these 7 redacted activities can be related to? Eligibility, criminality, medical is passed, info sharing is complete. The officer mentioned "Ready to finalize". Only security for PA is rest to get PPR.
CBSA notes are pending.
Really appreciate your answer
In most cases it is security. In the GCMS notes, except security or an investigation, everything else is released.
 

NZ_ozzie

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AOR Received.
10-11-2018
Med's Done....
11-12-2018
VISA ISSUED...
05-06-2019
Hi Naaz12,

1. I don't know if I have a ghost update because my account is monitored by an agency, so I can't access to my account by myself.
2. Both my husband's and my criminality have passed according to the GCMS notes. But several months earlier I called IRCC and the agent told me that the background check has two parts and I passed the part 2. According to someone else in this forum, part 1 is criminality and part 2 is security, so I am also very confused.

I don't know if this can help you, but this is all I know.
I think if you are from a bio metrics required country, you go onto ip2 stage right away....
 

NZ_ozzie

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FSW
App. Filed.......
10-11-2018
Doc's Request.
11-12-2018
AOR Received.
10-11-2018
Med's Done....
11-12-2018
VISA ISSUED...
05-06-2019
Could you elaborate this more? Thanks in advance!
Countries like Pakistan and some South African nations require biometrics as part of their application....so they get biometrics request same time as their MEP clears....once they provide Biometrics their application goes straight to ip2 first and then ip1 and rest of it...
 

HarSingh75

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In most cases it is security. In the GCMS notes, except security or an investigation, everything else is released.
Hello Legal Falcon
Our status online shows that both the Eligibility and Background check are being processed.
Our file was transferred to NDV a couple of weeks ago and Background check started about 4 weeks ago and Eligibility started before that.
I read somewhere in your posts that they start background check once eligibility is passed.
Please advise what does it all mean when both eligibility and background are ongoing together.
 

cadgijoe

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AOR Received.
03-08-2018
Med's Done....
23-07-2018
Passport Req..
18-03-2019
VISA ISSUED...
22-03-2019
LANDED..........
21-05-2019
Only security and criminality of my spouse is pending.
Hi @legalfalcon and @naaz12 , I thought SS is only for security? In other words, SS will not hold up criminality?
But in naasz12's case, it seems SS is both for security and criminality; so if one's criminality is passed, he or she is safe from SS?
Can you help clarify this for me please? Thank you.
 

MimiBun

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Dec 21, 2018
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You will have a clear picture, when the GCMS notes arrive.
Hello, @legalfalcon
I've finally received my 1st set of GCMS notes requested on Nov 27th:

Application created on May 30th 2018, last updated November 21st
Medical passed in July
Eligibility passed on Sept 27th
Criminality passed on November 21st
Security: 1
Everything else under security info completely retracted plus there's s.15(1) in top right corner

Am I under security screening? Should I order CSIS and CBSA notes, or just wait and order GCMS notes again?
 

legalfalcon

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App. Filed.......
03-09-2015
Doc's Request.
01-10-2015
AOR Received.
03-09-2015
Med's Done....
17-08-2015
Passport Req..
05-04-2016
VISA ISSUED...
12-04-2016
LANDED..........
05-05-2016
Hello, @legalfalcon
I've finally received my 1st set of GCMS notes requested on Nov 27th:

Application created on May 30th 2018, last updated November 21st
Medical passed in July
Eligibility passed on Sept 27th
Criminality passed on November 21st
Security: 1
Everything else under security info completely retracted plus there's s.15(1) in top right corner

Am I under security screening? Should I order CSIS and CBSA notes, or just wait and order GCMS notes again?
For s15/16 see https://www.getgcms.com/blog/s15-s16-top-right-gcms-denote/

If your eligibility is passed, and it has been over 2-3 months, then you may be in SS.

The eligibility takes place in 2 stages. First an analyst or an assistant will review the application and make a recommendation. After that an officer will review the application and the recommendation and make a final determination.

This is when your eligibility is conclusively passed.
 

HarSingh75

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Jan 6, 2019
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Hello Legal Falcon
Our status online shows that both the Eligibility and Background check are being processed.
Our file was transferred to NDV a couple of weeks ago and Background check started about 4 weeks ago and Eligibility started before that.
I read somewhere in your posts that they start background check once eligibility is passed.
Please advise what does it all mean when botheligibility and background are ongoing together.
 

cadgijoe

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AOR Received.
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Passport Req..
18-03-2019
VISA ISSUED...
22-03-2019
LANDED..........
21-05-2019
Dear @legalfalcon ,

Me AOR 3 Aug, IP2 since 21 Nov. My Eligibility is Met and Criminality is Passed.
I raised CSE on Sunday and got this answer:

"You will find below useful information that we hope will help understand the process and current status of your permanent residence application under the Federal Skilled Workers Class.
  • The initial assessment to ensure your application is complete has been finalized on September 25, 2018. Following this assessment, your application was transferred to the Ottawa, Canada office. The office will contact you if they need other documents from you.
  • The background verifications are currently in process."
I remember reading somewhere that "requires additional verification" indicates SS. Is my understanding correct? Thank you!
 

legalfalcon

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Montréal, Quebec, Canada
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4112
App. Filed.......
03-09-2015
Doc's Request.
01-10-2015
AOR Received.
03-09-2015
Med's Done....
17-08-2015
Passport Req..
05-04-2016
VISA ISSUED...
12-04-2016
LANDED..........
05-05-2016
Hello Legal Falcon
Our status online shows that both the Eligibility and Background check are being processed.
Our file was transferred to NDV a couple of weeks ago and Background check started about 4 weeks ago and Eligibility started before that.
I read somewhere in your posts that they start background check once eligibility is passed.
Please advise what does it all mean when botheligibility and background are ongoing together.
Your MyCIC status does not correspond to what stage your application is at. To know the exact stage you need GCMS notes.

All application go through the following stages:

R10
Medicals
Criminality
Eligibility
Security

To read more see-
https://www.getgcms.com/blog/express-entry-application-processed/



What you see on MyCIC does not accurately reflect what stage your application is at.
 

legalfalcon

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App. Filed.......
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Doc's Request.
01-10-2015
AOR Received.
03-09-2015
Med's Done....
17-08-2015
Passport Req..
05-04-2016
VISA ISSUED...
12-04-2016
LANDED..........
05-05-2016
Dear @legalfalcon ,

Me AOR 3 Aug, IP2 since 21 Nov. My Eligibility is Met and Criminality is Passed.
I raised CSE on Sunday and got this answer:

"You will find below useful information that we hope will help understand the process and current status of your permanent residence application under the Federal Skilled Workers Class.
  • The initial assessment to ensure your application is complete has been finalized on September 25, 2018. Following this assessment, your application was transferred to the Ottawa, Canada office. The office will contact you if they need other documents from you.
  • The background verifications are currently in process."
I remember reading somewhere that "requires additional verification" indicates SS. Is my understanding correct? Thank you!
All applications go through security. Some applicants get stuck in enhanced security, which is also reflected as security screening in the CBSA notes.
 
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