H&C Humanitarian Ground with/or Without Failed refugee claim

[hopetheyhelp]

To those saying h&c will be purged following C12's passing .. isn't it inhumane to do so ? It's almost impossible to live without healthcare, and other things .. why would people stay if they didn't have a strong reason to do so ? Replacing cheap labour with claimant inventory. Use and dispose narrative. On what basis will applications be canceled ? As much as the goal is to attract economic immigrant, bureaucrats know other countries take it all. The economy is such.

 

[canuck78]

To those saying h&c will be purged following C12's passing .. isn't it inhumane to do so ? It's almost impossible to live without healthcare, and other things .. why would people stay if they didn't have a strong reason to do so ? Replacing cheap labour with claimant inventory. Use and dispose narrative. On what basis will applications be canceled ? As much as the goal is to attract economic immigrant, bureaucrats know other countries take it all. The economy is such.

Would likely be cancelled based on national interest and no longer functional program. The program was really meant for rare exceptional cases but has become a catch all for anyone who doesn’t have other pathways to PR. Much easier to cancel the whole program. There will be some genuine H&C cases that will lose out but Canada has put themselves in a very tough position and will have to make some very difficult choices to try to correct the mismanagement of immigration. I assume some may attempt to sue the government. Canada in general has multiple million people they are trying to make leave so there will be an attempt to make it more uncomfortable to remain in Canada to encourage people to self-deport. Canada made it quite easy to live in Canada undocumented or allowed people to keep applying and getting denied for various immigration programs yet never get deported. That has already started to change.

H&C may not be an option for people but there still may be a pathway to PR for some especially younger people. This may involve returning home and then applying. If I was under 40 I would be learning French.

 

[rogersfail]

To those saying h&c will be purged following C12's passing .. isn't it inhumane to do so ? It's almost impossible to live without healthcare, and other things .. why would people stay if they didn't have a strong reason to do so ? Replacing cheap labour with claimant inventory. Use and dispose narrative. On what basis will applications be canceled ? As much as the goal is to attract economic immigrant, bureaucrats know other countries take it all. The economy is such.

Ontario cancelled its Trade PR pathway citing massive fraudulent applications. Ontarians were happy with that reason. Many Canadians right now do not believe most H&Cs applicants are genuine. If the Carney government announce that as the reason, Canadians will be happy

 

[iSaidGoodDay]

Ontario cancelled its Trade PR pathway citing massive fraudulent applications. Ontarians were happy with that reason. Many Canadians right now do not believe most H&Cs applicants are genuine. If the Carney government announce that as the reason, Canadians will be happy

Any reason would make Canadians happy right now for cancelling any pathway. The sentiment is pretty much out there.

 

[canuck78]

Ontario cancelled its Trade PR pathway citing massive fraudulent applications. Ontarians were happy with that reason. Many Canadians right now do not believe most H&Cs applicants are genuine. If the Carney government announce that as the reason, Canadians will be happy

The reality is that most Canadians have minimal knowledge of immigration programs. Anything that suggests better management of immigration and reduction of current numbers will be popular with most of the general public. Much easier said than done.

 

[Copingwithlife]

Any reason would make Canadians happy right now for cancelling any pathway. The sentiment is pretty much out there.

I think when the public hears that the Government spent over a billion dollars putting asylum seekers in hotels , feeding them , and citizens are living pay cheque to pay cheque , yah I can see why people would get upset

Or when international students start demonstrating and demand PR status

Honourable mention to the thousand that got into the country with fraudulent documents

 

[sting 000]

Ontario cancelled its Trade PR pathway citing massive fraudulent applications. Ontarians were happy with that reason. Many Canadians right now do not believe most H&Cs applicants are genuine. If the Carney government announce that as the reason, Canadians will be happy

Next they will jump to h and c and refugee claims due to work permit expiring!!!

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/immigration-provincial-nominee-program-refugee-asylum-claims-9.6975189#:~:text=Refugee claims in Saskatchewan have,provincial nominee spots next year.

 

[Buletruck]

This is potentially where I see it going. Now that other nations are "creatively" adjusting their policies, I suspect the government will be watching these changes closely.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/britain-asylum-overhaul-9.6980717

 

[hopetheyhelp]

I think when the public hears that the Government spent over a billion dollars putting asylum seekers in hotels , feeding them , and citizens are living pay cheque to pay cheque , yah I can see why people would get upset

Or when international students start demonstrating and demand PR status

Honourable mention to the thousand that got into the country with fraudulent documents

These people work and pay taxes; pay into the CPP etc. Gov makes it money back. A lot of it is overexagerrated concerning hotels, and social assistance etc. There's lot of backroom policy that never comes out. Citizens are living paycheck to paycheck has nothing to do with claimants. It has to do with the economy. Policy makers always knew their inventory. The bureaucrats make applicants look bad by using terms like 'fraudulent' etc. In reality, the visa issuing staff always scrutinized applications. There's a set framework, its not possible to get away with such stuff with trained officers.. some lawyers even uploaded officer training materials which are thorough. Gov just wants to make people look bad and get public support for it. When they need people, they will reverse course again.

 

[WellWell2021]

But everything you just mentioned is not necessarily linked to a specific immigration status. Decadence, fraud, lack of civility, abuse, lack of ambition, ingratitude, poor integration and lack of attachment to Canada, opportunism, etc., are not exclusive to foreigners. Many permanent residents and Canadian citizens also engage in behaviours that harm the country, its economy, and its society.
Honestly, there are many issues to address, and in my opinion, cancelling immigration programs will not make things better. For example, instead of refusing work or study permit applicants out of fear that they will not leave Canada after their stay, it would be more reasonable to genuinely apply the concept of dual intent as provided by law. Canada should accept people who are clearly likely to become good future citizens, who will progress professionally and academically, contribute to the country, and integrate into society. This is better than accepting large numbers of applicants for a while and then refusing them massively afterward, which has unfortunately been happening for years.
A second issue, is the multicultural model, which creates divisions between individuals. Canada should adopt an intercultural approach, where people can maintain their cultural specificities while still remaining united and sharing common values. We must abandon the idea that Canadians are divided into separate communities, as this only fosters communalism, rejection of others, and reinforces stereotypes.
Regarding economic immigration programs, I believe it would be an excellent idea to introduce mandatory interviews for all candidates, since a computer program is not as capable as a human being of understanding people’s reality. Having 1,000 points does not necessarily mean that someone will be a good immigrant.
As for family sponsorship, in my view, no one deserves to be separated from their loved ones. However, sponsored family members must demonstrate that they genuinely wish to join their relative with the intention of building a life here, not simply coming to stay home in isolation or obtaining permanent residence by relying on that relative.
the asylum system also should to be more stable. I find it unfair to accept people who have walked thousands of kilometres only to reject them afterward. It would be more honest to state from the start that seeking asylum in this way is not allowed. It would be fairer to create specific visas for people who genuinely need protection as Australia does, and even Brazil, if I’m not mistaken so they can come directly and with dignity, while allowing Canada to identify in advance who truly needs support. However, if someone wants to come live in Canada, they should simply do so either as a permanent resident through an economic immigration program, which allows applicants to truly demonstrate their potential, or as a temporary resident, while accepting the reality that most of them intend to stay in Canada and build a life here.

 

[canuck78]

These people work and pay taxes; pay into the CPP etc. Gov makes it money back. A lot of it is overexagerrated concerning hotels, and social assistance etc. There's lot of backroom policy that never comes out. Citizens are living paycheck to paycheck has nothing to do with claimants. It has to do with the economy. Policy makers always knew their inventory. The bureaucrats make applicants look bad by using terms like 'fraudulent' etc. In reality, the visa issuing staff always scrutinized applications. There's a set framework, its not possible to get away with such stuff with trained officers.. some lawyers even uploaded officer training materials which are thorough. Gov just wants to make people look bad and get public support for it. When they need people, they will reverse course again.

The data shows otherwise. There are certainly asylum seekers and refugees who work but in general the money spent on asylum, refugees and various H&C programs in the last 5-10 yrs is insane. The scrutiny to be able to qualify to claim asylum is minimal.

 

[canuck78]

But everything you just mentioned is not necessarily linked to a specific immigration status. Decadence, fraud, lack of civility, abuse, lack of ambition, ingratitude, poor integration and lack of attachment to Canada, opportunism, etc., are not exclusive to foreigners. Many permanent residents and Canadian citizens also engage in behaviours that harm the country, its economy, and its society.
Honestly, there are many issues to address, and in my opinion, cancelling immigration programs will not make things better. For example, instead of refusing work or study permit applicants out of fear that they will not leave Canada after their stay, it would be more reasonable to genuinely apply the concept of dual intent as provided by law. Canada should accept people who are clearly likely to become good future citizens, who will progress professionally and academically, contribute to the country, and integrate into society. This is better than accepting large numbers of applicants for a while and then refusing them massively afterward, which has unfortunately been happening for years.
A second issue, is the multicultural model, which creates divisions between individuals. Canada should adopt an intercultural approach, where people can maintain their cultural specificities while still remaining united and sharing common values. We must abandon the idea that Canadians are divided into separate communities, as this only fosters communalism, rejection of others, and reinforces stereotypes.
Regarding economic immigration programs, I believe it would be an excellent idea to introduce mandatory interviews for all candidates, since a computer program is not as capable as a human being of understanding people’s reality. Having 1,000 points does not necessarily mean that someone will be a good immigrant.
As for family sponsorship, in my view, no one deserves to be separated from their loved ones. However, sponsored family members must demonstrate that they genuinely wish to join their relative with the intention of building a life here, not simply coming to stay home in isolation or obtaining permanent residence by relying on that relative.
the asylum system also should to be more stable. I find it unfair to accept people who have walked thousands of kilometres only to reject them afterward. It would be more honest to state from the start that seeking asylum in this way is not allowed. It would be fairer to create specific visas for people who genuinely need protection as Australia does, and even Brazil, if I’m not mistaken so they can come directly and with dignity, while allowing Canada to identify in advance who truly needs support. However, if someone wants to come live in Canada, they should simply do so either as a permanent resident through an economic immigration program, which allows applicants to truly demonstrate their potential, or as a temporary resident, while accepting the reality that most of them intend to stay in Canada and build a life here.

We literally have government, blended and private sponsorship refugee pathways already. Also EMP which is a refugee/economic pathway.

 

[WellWell2021]

The data shows otherwise. There are certainly asylum seekers and refugees who work but in general the money spent on asylum, refugees and various H&C programs in the last 5-10 yrs is insane. The scrutiny to be able to qualify to claim asylum is minimal.

would also add that Canada must address the issue of accepting people who are only seeking a powerful passport one they will probably never truly use because they cannot afford to.
Furthermore, regarding IRCC officers, the government needs to seriously and thoroughly rethink how these individuals are trained and how they work. Their incompetence is sometimes irrational: I often see immigration lawyers on LinkedIn talking about the mistakes these officers make, which puts unnecessary pressure on the judicial system and can seriously harm applicants. This happens partly because some of these officers show a lack of professional conscience and can be hired with nothing more than a high school diploma.

 

[WellWell2021]

We literally have government, blended and private sponsorship refugee pathways already. Also EMP which is a refugee/economic pathway.

Yes, but i suggest you look into the situation of the people who are waiting for approval through these programs.
The wait times are extremely long because there is a lot of bureaucracy to deal with between the UNHCR and the host countries. Of course, the Canadian government accepts these obstacles, even though it has full sovereignty to create its own independent programs that works properly, separate from any organization or foreign state just like it is doing now by welcoming people from Hong Kong (lol...) while neglecting humanitarian applicants and even aylum seekers who are already in Canada.
As for the Skilled Refugee Program, it is basically another version of the rural communities program or the francophone communities program. It’s pure political symbolism. The acceptance rates are very low, and the criteria are quite strange

 

[hopetheyhelp]

The rise in claims never meant poor visitor application scrutiny like it is made to look. It was the domino effect. The deck is stacked against the applicant anyway. Every transit airport has private security at the gate intimidating people with unprivileged passports. If the only issue is having a qualified IRB member researching to see if a claim is valid and time is the issue, I think that's anti-due process. They sldo never post about exit stats or abandoned claims. Just the hotel costs and freebie talk which is paritally true and political fodder. The bureaucrats know what they wanted back then and know what they want now. Just scapegoating people. Through new policy is how they get there. Every claimant works because locals are so sold on the anti-immigrant narrative. If the only criteria is for a claimant to come from an extreme war zone while others cases are questionable, there is prejudice there.

Passport is not that respected even in the G7.

Officers are all university grads, some even have masters. ICAC staff are also well educated- uni grads with foreign affairs backgrounds. Highschool diploma is the min requirement, it doesn't mean that's their qualification. Some do get it wrong but those are in the minority.

They knew what they wanted then, and what they want now. Just using inventory to their liking and disposing people. System is never abused. The inventory is.

C12 could all be a nothing burger. All the trying to absorb economic immigrants has never worked even h1b thing won't work. No one wants to come. Just a revolving door.