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Lord_Tony

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There are very specific reasons why Canada wants a younger workforce. Young people generally have fewer health problems and will put lower strain on the healthcare system. They also have the greatest potential to start new families. In addition to all of that, they are net contributors to the welfare state. In a country like Canada, which has a universal healthcare system and an aging population, accepting old people as immigrants would be suicidal and would collapse the entire healthcare system and welfare state. If Canada wants to invite old people, it would have to abolish the welfare state and privatise healthcare.
You and I are talking about two different things. I didn't suggest to you that Canada should bring in all elderly immigrants. Assuming you're talking about retirees over the age of 65, I agree that such elderly people would load the healthcare system. But remember, Canada admits, numbers-wise, a lot more refugees than most much larger countries, e.g., the USA. In percentage terms, the number is humongous, and overall, in terms of cost and all government benefits, that is a bigger drain than skilled migration. I agree with you that 95% of the immigrants for run-of-the-mill jobs must be young and flexible. One example I often quote in my area is that in 2023, I still pay a lot of Java developers the same Toronto pay I remember from 2008. All this is possible because of immigration and, in particular, folks from Asia willing to take less than market pay (of course, this includes me), and the employers save a lot in the process.
What I tried to say yesterday is that certain roles, e.g., surgeons, start their careers only in their mid-to-late 30s and will have some 7-8 years of experience by their mid-40s. Hence, IRCC not having streamwise or role-wise cutoffs hurts those, and ultimately, Canada doesn't get the best of breed personnel in such roles. The USA gets the best doctors, scientists, and Information technology personnel because it does not have these age restrictions.
All those who wish come to Canada in those 5% jobs are well-paid, and I'm sure if given the option, those professionals will opt for private health and not even depend on Canada's public health, unlike the low-paid youngsters. In my case, I moved for my kids college, and I have another 20 years of my career remaining, even if I don't continue to earn at the same as my current level. But for sure, I will continue to earn above-average pay to support myself and my wife. I'm not here for healthcare or any other freebies the government might give to young low-income earners.
 
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Raptor33

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Hello guys,

regarding the work experience documents, I got a letter from my supervisor stating all the necessary information. Is it necessary to send as well my pay-checks to prove that I was indeed working? Or that is excess of information?
Hi there!

It is not necessary to send your pay stubs as proof of work experience. A letter from your supervisor stating the necessary information is sufficient. The letter should include your job title, the dates you worked, your duties and responsibilities, and your supervisor's contact information.

However, if you have your pay stubs, you can send them as well. This will provide additional proof of your work experience and may help to expedite your application process.

Here are some of the things that you should include in your supervisor's letter:
  • Your name and contact information
  • Your job title and the dates you worked
  • Your supervisor's name and contact information
  • A description of your duties and responsibilities
  • The name of the company you worked for
  • The address of the company you worked for
I hope this helps!
 

ravyn

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WTAF! :O


Ministerial Instructions respecting invitations to apply for permanent residence under the Express Entry system #258– July 12, 2023

See full text of Ministerial Instruction

French language proficiency (2023-1)

Number of invitations issued:
3,800Footnote*

Rank required to be invited to apply: 3,800 or above

Date and time of round: July 12, 2023 at 13:36:01 UTC

CRS score of lowest-ranked candidate invited: 375

Tie-breaking rule: June 15, 2023 at 23:49:05

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/express-entry/submit-profile/rounds-invitations.html
Wow, amazing that they have already sent so many invitations for French speakers. I am guessing maybe they are doing these draws early as there may be some overlap of French speakers in the NOC category draws? After reaching such a low CRS score so quickly, hopefully they will focus on NOC categories now
 

wonderbly

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Aug 26, 2020
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I have a family friend that just moved to Montreal on WP. They are native french speakers (Husband is, wife and kids get by).
Questions for anyone who can help (@Raptor33 kindly sit this one out, thank you :) ):
  1. They don't currently have EE profile so they need to create one. Do they need both English IELTS or just French? I guess if they have both, then they will get even more points, but is it mandatory to have english for french stream?
  2. Are there centers in Canada (Montreal specifically) to write these exams?
  3. They need to do WES evaluation as standard, right?
  4. They currently live in QC, but would be willing to move elsewhere if required. Does living in QC affect their application negatively?
 

scylla

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01-10-2010
VISA ISSUED...
05-10-2010
LANDED..........
05-10-2010
I have a family friend that just moved to Montreal on WP. They are native french speakers (Husband is, wife and kids get by).
Questions for anyone who can help (@Raptor33 kindly sit this one out, thank you :) ):
  1. They don't currently have EE profile so they need to create one. Do they need both English IELTS or just French? I guess if they have both, then they will get even more points, but is it mandatory to have english for french stream?
  2. Are there centers in Canada (Montreal specifically) to write these exams?
  3. They need to do WES evaluation as standard, right?
  4. They currently live in QC, but would be willing to move elsewhere if required. Does living in QC affect their application negatively?
1. Up to them. They can do just French.
2. Yes.
3. They need to do some ECA. Yes, WES is fine.
4. Yes, it sometimes can since this is a Fedral program. At some point they may be asked to provide evidence they plan to settle outside of Quebec.
 

Raptor33

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May 10, 2020
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I have a family friend that just moved to Montreal on WP. They are native french speakers (Husband is, wife and kids get by).
Questions for anyone who can help (@Raptor33 kindly sit this one out, thank you :) ):
  1. They don't currently have EE profile so they need to create one. Do they need both English IELTS or just French? I guess if they have both, then they will get even more points, but is it mandatory to have english for french stream?
  2. Are there centers in Canada (Montreal specifically) to write these exams?
  3. They need to do WES evaluation as standard, right?
  4. They currently live in QC, but would be willing to move elsewhere if required. Does living in QC affect their application negatively?
Sure, I can help you with that. Here are the answers to your questions:
  • Do they need both English IELTS or just French?
No, they do not need both English IELTS and French. If they are native French speakers, they can just take the French language test. However, if they want to get more points in their Express Entry profile, they can take both the English and French tests.
  • Are there centers in Canada (Montreal specifically) to write these exams?
Yes, there are centers in Canada to write the IELTS and TEF exams. There are a few centers in Montreal that offer these exams.
  • Do they need to do WES evaluation as standard?
Yes, they will need to do a WES evaluation for their foreign degrees. This is standard for all Express Entry applicants.
  • Does living in QC affect their application negatively?
No, living in Quebec does not affect their application negatively. However, if they are applying for the Quebec Skilled Worker Program, they will need to meet certain requirements, such as having a job offer from a Quebec employer.

I hope this helps!
 

Raptor33

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May 10, 2020
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Cats love to look out windows. They are curious creatures and love to see what is going on in the world outside. They may be looking for birds, squirrels, or other animals. They may also be looking at people or cars. Whatever they are looking at, they are always fascinated by the world outside their window.
 
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GandiBaat

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Dec 23, 2014
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NOC Code......
2173
App. Filed.......
26th September 2021
Doc's Request.
Old Medical
Nomination.....
None
AOR Received.
26th September 2021
IELTS Request
Sent with application
File Transfer...
11-01-2022
Med's Request
Not Applicable, Old Meds
Med's Done....
Old Medical
Interview........
Not Applicable
Passport Req..
22-02-2022
VISA ISSUED...
22-02-2022
LANDED..........
24-02-2022
WTAF! :O


Ministerial Instructions respecting invitations to apply for permanent residence under the Express Entry system #258– July 12, 2023

See full text of Ministerial Instruction

French language proficiency (2023-1)

Number of invitations issued:
3,800Footnote*

Rank required to be invited to apply: 3,800 or above

Date and time of round: July 12, 2023 at 13:36:01 UTC

CRS score of lowest-ranked candidate invited: 375

Tie-breaking rule: June 15, 2023 at 23:49:05

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/express-entry/submit-profile/rounds-invitations.html
Canada really wants them "Francophone" people!

Immigration is politics first, law second and economics third.
 

GandiBaat

VIP Member
Dec 23, 2014
3,627
2,936
NOC Code......
2173
App. Filed.......
26th September 2021
Doc's Request.
Old Medical
Nomination.....
None
AOR Received.
26th September 2021
IELTS Request
Sent with application
File Transfer...
11-01-2022
Med's Request
Not Applicable, Old Meds
Med's Done....
Old Medical
Interview........
Not Applicable
Passport Req..
22-02-2022
VISA ISSUED...
22-02-2022
LANDED..........
24-02-2022
  1. They don't currently have EE profile so they need to create one. Do they need both English IELTS or just French? I guess if they have both, then they will get even more points, but is it mandatory to have english for french stream?
I don't think you need english for french stream. English and French are two "official" languages of Canada. One is enough for immigration eligibility.

  1. Are there centers in Canada (Montreal specifically) to write these exams?
Yes, TEF (https://ecoledelangues.umontreal.ca/en/test-centre/) comes to mind.

  1. They need to do WES evaluation as standard, right?
For EE CEC/FSW, yes.

  1. They currently live in QC, but would be willing to move elsewhere if required. Does living in QC affect their application negatively?
They can be asked to demonstrate their intent to move out of QC after landing. Incidentally, why are they not using QC route for immigration? https://www.quebec.ca/en/immigration/work-quebec/skilled-workers/regular-skilled-worker-program

Is it because it takes longer?
 

Raptor33

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Canada really wants them "Francophone" people!

Immigration is politics first, law second and economics third.
Canada does indeed have a strong interest in attracting Francophone immigrants. This is due to a number of factors, including:
  • The importance of French to Canada's identity and culture. French is one of Canada's two official languages, and it is spoken by a significant number of Canadians.
  • The economic benefits of immigration. Francophone immigrants are often highly skilled and educated, and they can contribute to Canada's economy.
  • The demographic challenges facing Canada. Canada's population is aging, and the government is looking to immigration to help offset this trend.
It is true that immigration is a complex issue, and there are many factors that influence government policy. However, it is clear that Canada's interest in Francophone immigration is driven by a combination of political, economic, and demographic factors.

Here are some specific examples of how Canada's government has sought to attract Francophone immigrants:
  • The government offers a number of programs and incentives to Francophone immigrants, such as the French-speaking Skilled Worker Program and the Quebec Experience Program.
  • The government also has a number of initiatives to promote French language learning in Canada, such as the Emploi-Québec program and the Francophonie in Canada program.
These are just a few examples of how Canada's government is working to attract Francophone immigrants. It is clear that Francophone immigration is a priority for the government, and it is likely to remain so in the years to come.
 

wonderbly

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Cats love to look out windows. They are curious creatures and love to see what is going on in the world outside. They may be looking for birds, squirrels, or other animals. They may also be looking at people or cars. Whatever they are looking at, they are always fascinated by the world outside their window.
Nothing gets by you, right?
 

wonderbly

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I don't think you need english for french stream. English and French are two "official" languages of Canada. One is enough for immigration eligibility.


Yes, TEF (https://ecoledelangues.umontreal.ca/en/test-centre/) comes to mind.


For EE CEC/FSW, yes.


They can be asked to demonstrate their intent to move out of QC after landing. Incidentally, why are they not using QC route for immigration? https://www.quebec.ca/en/immigration/work-quebec/skilled-workers/regular-skilled-worker-program

Is it because it takes longer?
Yes I think the processing time is the main factor. Also, they might not want to be tied to QC in the long run.
 
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