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[Deleted member 1083629]

This thread helped me a lot and I took the posts of some individuals, those who didn’t paint the sky green,

The ones that praised Canada never praised the most important things. They all talked about nature, safety and something along those lines. Not once someone asked themselves: "Ok. We are moving. Are there really enough jobs for all of us?" Nah. When I posted here that 500K is too many, I was told that I say that because I have already moved lol. Nah, that's because 500K is too damn high. There are not enough jobs for those people. There is not enough housing. There is someone renting (in a different thread) a STUDIO BASEMENT in BRAMPTON for 2K. WTF????!!!! And users are defending him saying that it's ok.

Canada is not the country that started the express entry back in 2015. When my sibling moved here in 2012, it was possible to buy a home in Toronto and she could see a doctor. When I moved in 2017 for Masters, I could still see a doctor but just had to wait a bit. I was also able to afford a decent place on a salary. When I moved back in 2022, I cannot see a doctor. I cannot afford most of the places here. And I have a degree from Waterloo. What about those who come from India/Russia/any other country with the local degrees?

For anyone reading this forum or thread. Please rethink your decision of moving to Canada. You will most likely never achieve the same level of life you had back home. If you come here to get citizenship and move back, that makes sense. But don't sell everything back home thinking you will never go back. I know that I will. Maybe not back to Russia, as I don't see Putin leaving for a while but to any other country.

 

[Deleted member 1083629]

yeah i recently got an interview request from a rideshare company. they sent the interview format in an email. 3 rounds of leetcode style plus another two rounds of behavioral plus a final VP discussion. I told them i dont do leetcode style interviews and withdrew. great pay though.

Interesting that they skipped system design round.

 

[seadrag0n]

What about those who come from India/Russia/any other country with the local degrees?

The answer is simple, not everyone is looking to hire a FAANG level dev with a black belt in DS/Algorithms and system design. From what I have seen, companies like these offer 90k -100k for a mid level dev, 100k - 120k for a senior dev and 120k - 140k for someone with lead/architect experience. Maybe you are expecting to earn 200k or something?

 

[Deleted member 1083629]

The answer is simple, not everyone is looking to hire a FAANG level dev with a black belt in DS/Algorithms and system design. From what I have seen, companies like these offer 90k -100k for a mid level dev, 100k - 120k for a senior dev and 120k - 140k for someone with lead/architect experience. Maybe you are expecting to earn 200k or something?

Every single company here asks you DSA/SD questions (maybe, not every one but majority of them worth working for). 90-100K for a mid-level is def. possible. The issue is that it's actually easier to get into FAANG than local company. Why? Because FAANG doesn't really care about who you were before and your education. I mean they care but to lesser extend. You will most likely get an interview. The problem is passing those interviews. The problem is with those 90-100K companies because they would always prefer someone local, which makes sense. However, due to constant flow of immigrants, those newcomers that were SWE back home have to take ANY job they can to survive. Their skills deteriorate; if you don't code for 6-12 months, it's foolish to think you will pass a tech. interview. You have to prep for it but now you have a gap in your CV where you did Timmies job. Now, you are way less attractive to companies. After 6-12 months you will get a tech. job but not on 90-100K salary. Maybe QA. Maybe data analytics. Something to get a decent job. From now on, it's really up to a person and his character. Some say "heck no. Gotta grind and move back to SWE". Others (majority) say: "I am ok. Yes, money is not good but the job is stable and I can watch Netflix with my wife in the evening". Now, people who want to get back to SWE start fighting with new immigrants, recent graduates, Canadian SWE for those small number of jobs that are out there. This will take 6-12 months just to get a decent SWE (not talking about FAANG) job. A person has spend 2 years in Canada already.

So yeah, man. I am not looking for anything. I am just saying how things are in here. It's up to a prospective immigrant to believe it or not.

BTW, salaries you wrote down are ridic. 140K for a lead position? lol. 120k for senior? Personally, I would be offended if someone offers me that for a senior.

 

[navinball]

Every single company here asks you DSA/SD questions (maybe, not every one but majority of them worth working for). 90-100K for a mid-level is def. possible. The issue is that it's actually easier to get into FAANG than local company. Why? Because FAANG doesn't really care about who you were before and your education. I mean they care but to lesser extend. You will most likely get an interview. The problem is passing those interviews. The problem is with those 90-100K companies because they would always prefer someone local, which makes sense. However, due to constant flow of immigrants, those newcomers that were SWE back home have to take ANY job they can to survive. Their skills deteriorate; if you don't code for 6-12 months, it's foolish to think you will pass a tech. interview. You have to prep for it but now you have a gap in your CV where you did Timmies job. Now, you are way less attractive to companies. After 6-12 months you will get a tech. job but not on 90-100K salary. Maybe QA. Maybe data analytics. Something to get a decent job. From now on, it's really up to a person and his character. Some say "heck no. Gotta grind and move back to SWE". Others (majority) say: "I am ok. Yes, money is not good but the job is stable and I can watch Netflix with my wife in the evening". Now, people who want to get back to SWE start fighting with new immigrants, recent graduates, Canadian SWE for those small number of jobs that are out there. This will take 6-12 months just to get a decent SWE (not talking about FAANG) job. A person has spend 2 years in Canada already.

So yeah, man. I am not looking for anything. I am just saying how things are in here. It's up to a prospective immigrant to believe it or not.

BTW, salaries you wrote down are ridic. 140K for a lead position? lol. 120k for senior? Personally, I would be offended if someone offers me that for a senior.

It's not far off. Base pay for lead engineers would be 145 to 160k from what ive seen at TD, CIBC etc. With benefits and bonus will reach 200.

 

[Deleted member 1083629]

It's not far off. Base pay for lead engineers would be 145 to 160k from what ive seen at TD, CIBC etc. With benefits and bonus will reach 200.

Lead as in staff? Or lead as in senior? 160K for senior at a bank is ok. 160K at any company that actually builds something more often than 1/year is very low. However, thanks to new 500K goal, not much negotiation that can be done. There is always someone who will gladly accept the job.

 

[navinball]

Lead as in staff? Or lead as in senior? 160K for senior at a bank is ok. 160K at any company that actually builds something more often than 1/year is very low. However, thanks to new 500K goal, not much negotiation that can be done. There is always someone who will gladly accept the job.

lead is above senior. staff is same as lead. thats the salary range currently in the banking sector in canada. startups and other high growth companies might pay higher.

 

[seadrag0n]

Lead as in staff? Or lead as in senior? 160K for senior at a bank is ok. 160K at any company that actually builds something more often than 1/year is very low. However, thanks to new 500K goal, not much negotiation that can be done. There is always someone who will gladly accept the job.

People having 160k level jobs in their home countries will not just up and leave to come to Canada without a job offer so your argument about 500k immigrants/year is irrelevant as it will have no impact on these high paying jobs.

 

[GandiBaat]

In Canada for a month now, where are the “skilled” jobs which required me to come here? lool… what a freaking joke.

I only see bottom of the food chain jobs and even that I am sure many overqualified immigrants, like myself, are fighting over.

This thread helped me a lot and I took the posts of some individuals, those who didn’t paint the sky green, here seriously which is why I secured a remote job with my former employer before relocating here. At least financially, I am almost secured. I am looking for a job here purely for psychological and taxation reasons.

Those of you who are on the way, be very realistic and ensure you prepare very carefully. Menial jobs with extremely expensive cost of living is what awaits. Rent is just damn crazy. Forget about owning the house. Don’t be a fool. Prepare well. Stay 3 years for the passport and GTFO. At least that’s my plan.

As I said before, best is to bring your job to Canada with you. It saves a lot of trouble.

But that being said, a lot of my friends have climbed rungs here too. It just takes a bit longer. That or get the passport and GTFO to USA.

 

[Deleted member 1083629]

People having 160k level jobs in their home countries will not just up and leave to come to Canada without a job offer so your argument about 500k immigrants/year is irrelevant as it will have no impact on these high paying jobs.

It's very relevant. You just don't want to read what I wrote.

No one will pay any recent immigrant 160K. That's it. He will find a job from abroad (not now, obv) but not as 100K SWE and def. not 160K dev. Why not? Because there are 500K moving to Canada which gives employers an opportunity to find someone who is cheaper. Maybe not as good but def. cheaper.

People leave to Canada for dumbest reasons. I talked to a colleague of mine (he is from India) about why he came to Canada. You know what he said? "It's cultural. Everyone told me that the West is so much better and I was pressured in trying to leave".

 

[GandiBaat]

yeah i recently got an interview request from a rideshare company. they sent the interview format in an email. 3 rounds of leetcode style plus another two rounds of behavioral plus a final VP discussion. I told them i dont do leetcode style interviews and withdrew. great pay though.

Typical google style. Very common.

I did this one : https://neetcode.io/practice . Very useful.

Trouble that happens is, if you do these, your thinking shifts to this kind of problems. Then you at times give a more optimized solution than interview is expecting. Leaving FAANG, not many expects this kind of behaviour. I mean, a certain company had their mouths dropped to floor when I simply used few properties of binary search (actually, BST) to my advantage. Interview is more about impedance matching between interviewer and interviewee.

 

[seadrag0n]

It's very relevant. You just don't want to read what I wrote.

No one will pay any recent immigrant 160K. That's it. He will find a job from abroad (not now, obv) but not as 100K SWE and def. not 160K dev. Why not? Because there are 500K moving to Canada which gives employers an opportunity to find someone who is cheaper. Maybe not as good but def. cheaper.

People leave to Canada for dumbest reasons. I talked to a colleague of mine (he is from India) about why he came to Canada. You know what he said? "It's cultural. Everyone told me that the West is so much better and I was pressured in trying to leave".

So companies are willing to lower their standards to just hire someone cheaper? What if that person messes up everything with bad code or just fails at the job after a few months? Companies are willing to risk that?

 

[Taran D]

So companies are willing to lower their standards to just hire someone cheaper? What if that person messes up everything with bad code or just fails at the job after a few months? Companies are willing to risk that?

Yes they are willing to go to any length to save their 50 cents.

 

[GandiBaat]

No one will pay any recent immigrant 160K. That's it. He will find a job from abroad (not now, obv) but not as 100K SWE and def. not 160K dev. Why not? Because there are 500K moving to Canada which gives employers an opportunity to find someone who is cheaper. Maybe not as good but def. cheaper.

It depends. I have taken interviews for my employer. We interview about 150 folks to find one guy who could even pass phone screening. So that 500K coming is usually not much help to us as most are not that well prepared. Actually recent grads from Canadian universities perform much better.

 

[GandiBaat]

Yes they are willing to go to any length to save their 50 cents.

I will say companies always want to save money. They are businesses first. That being said, its usually 50 cents saved over all.