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[SatNight]

Yeah they seem to be missing the point that having those extra streams is literally the advantage. If they don't qualify for them, that's on them.

Ok, so following that logic, the fact that FSW don't qualify for those programs is on them, too. Why are they not inland?

 

[Deleted member 1006777]

Ok, so following that logic, the fact that FSW don't qualify for those programs is on them, too. Why are they not inland?

jfc man, are you daft? You think anyone can just wake up and choose to be inland? You either need to go to school there or have significant connections to get an LMIA processed. Having a PGWP, which is an OPEN work permit, is far more flexible than a closed LMIA if they even get one, which is incredibly rare.

"Why are they not inland" this is some laughable stuff.

I'm out, this is exhausting. You have it real tough, I'll cry for you tonight.

To your credit you're trying to improve your scores, and you'll get your ITA. You being uninformed about the different pathways available to you isn't my problem.

 

[sidou]

Guys, there is a question in ITA application that says : "n which province or territory does X intend to reside?
Does it matter for FSW applicants what city they put ? i mean can they put any city and when they go there are they obligated to go to that city ?

 

[Deleted member 1006777]

Guys, there is a question in ITA application that says : "n which province or territory does X intend to reside?
Does it matter for FSW applicants what city they put ? i mean can they put any city and when they go there are they obligated to go to that city ?

Nope you're not obligated. Just don't put Quebec.

 

[Ultraxion]

But what if you are already working in a different province? Have an education from a different province? Finding a skilled job in Canada is not easy enough so you can pick and choose based on their PNP. In fact, choosing a school or a province for its PNP is a horrible way to go, because what if a program changes by the time you graduate? (It happens often).

When my wife was starting her PhD, there was a federal PhD stream that they cut. That stuff happens all the time.

Seriously, arguing how it's easy to just jump where you want to become eligible for their PNP is not that realistic for many people. It's like telling a FSW "well, just go to Canada as a student and after graduation you will become inland". Are there people who are doing it? Yes. But it's not a proper advice, because it's not a solution to the current mess that exists with FSW.

if your goal is to immigrate, you should do a thorough research beforehand and plan accordingly. i dont know why it is so hard for you to understand.

and some PNP programs accept NOC level C or even D work experience. again, you should go research. if your goal is to get good life in Canada and immigrate at the same time, then i am sorry to say ee is indeed your only choice.

 

[SatNight]

jfc man, are you daft? You think anyone can just wake up and choose to be inland? You either need to go to school there or have significant connections to get an LMIA processed. Having a PGWP, which is an OPEN work permit, is far more flexible than a closed LMIA if they even get one, which is incredibly rare.

"Why are they not inland" this is some laughable stuff.

I'm out, this is exhausting. You have it real tough, I'll cry for you tonight.

To your credit you're trying to improve your scores, and you'll get your ITA. You being uninformed about the different pathways available to you isn't my problem.

I simply illustrate it how silly your advice of "just pack and go anywhere" sounds. Yes, it's easier to go anywhere in Canada with PGWP, but it was even easier to get a work permit and get in Canada in the first place.

I am NOT trying to imply that FSW people should just magically pack and go to study in Canada. It would be ridiculous to do so, especially when you are eligible for Canadian immigration and would've already been invited without covid mess (including, yes, CEC 75 draw and similar stuff).

So try to believe me that it's not easy to find a skilled work in Canada in a different province that just happens to have a PNP (most of which require 1 year of skilled experience or a valid job offer, which is not easy to get). It is not as difficult as finding a Canadian job outside of Canada, I agree, but it's more difficult than becoming inland through a study permit.

I am not being mean or snarky. If you truly believe that PR is easy or guaranteed to inland applicants, then why not work at becoming inland through study permit? There are many masters programs that offer free tuition or scholarships. PhD is generally funded so you don't have to pay. Becoming inland is easier than learning French. (This I truly believe).

I understand everyone's frustration at Lamda candidates because it's unfair for people to get a free pass when others worked hard. But I don't understand the "inland is guaranteed PR" mindset, because if this is really so, then why not work at becoming inland?

 

[SatNight]

if your goal is to immigrate, you should do a thorough research beforehand and plan accordingly. i dont know why it is so hard for you to understand.

and some PNP programs accept NOC level C or even D work experience. again, you should go research. if your goal is to get good life in Canada and immigrate at the same time, then i am sorry to say ee is indeed your only choice.

But that's what I'm trying to argue here. We did research. PNPs are narrow and exclude most candidates. I know requirements to almost all programs by heart. It's not as easy as it sounds.

Most are either NOC specific (where you are screwed if you are not in that NOC, and you can't just change a NOC if you are not qualified) and/or require a valid job offer (which is not easy to get). Graduate streams exist only in less than half of the provinces and all, save for Ontario, require either a job offer or working in the province already in the occupation of your study. In other words, you cannot just pack and go where you want - you need to accumulate experience somewhere, and you generally have a limited time to do so.

Also, deciding where to study or go based on current PNP criteria is a horrible advice because they change things often.

As for C and D NOC, those will indeed seem to profit soon witb TR to PR. Not all, but it seems that it will target at least some of the C occupations. I wasn't joking about "should have been a truck driver".

 

[Ultraxion]

But that's what I'm trying to argue here. We did research. PNPs are narrow and exclude most candidates. I know requirements to almost all programs by heart. It's not as easy as it sounds.

Most are either NOC specific (where you are screwed if you are not in that NOC, and you can't just change a NOC if you are not qualified) and/or require a valid job offer (which is not easy to get). Graduate streams exist only in less than half of the provinces and all, save for Ontario, require either a job offer or working in the province already in the occupation of your study. In other words, you cannot just pack and go where you want - you need to accumulate experience somewhere, and you generally have a limited time to do so.

Also, deciding where to study or go based on current PNP criteria is a horrible advice because they change things often.

As for C and D NOC, those will indeed seem to profit soon witb TR to PR. Not all, but it seems that it will target at least some of the C occupations. I wasn't joking about "should have been a truck driver".

@mushymush plz help me I really don't want to argue with this guy anymore.. so pointless its like talking to a wall

 

[SatNight]

Forgot to mention that some provinces have graduate entrepreneur streams, so maybe that's the easy one for rich inland candidates, but definitely not an option for me (and I feel I am not alone).

 

[sidou]

Nope you're not obligated. Just don't put Quebec.

why not quebec ?

 

[Deleted member 1006777]

why not work at becoming inland

I'm tired of this, but to answer this question (again), I don't think Canada is worth paying 100k to get into. French allows you to be LMIA exempt, but I got interviews and they outright told me that right now they're only considering people on PGWPs. I don't think Canadian education is worth anything close to 100k or whatever they charge for tuition.

That's why I don't care about being inland. If I get an ITA with my CRS, fine. If not, I've already moved on from Canada. I still value their passport, and that's all I care about if I do end up going to Canada.

Inland is easier, but to me, the price (in terms of dollars as well as time) is not worth it.

 

[Deleted member 1006777]

why not quebec ?

An intent to live outside Quebec is a prerequisite to apply for PR. Go read the requirements on the website.

 

[seadrag0n]

why not quebec ?

Because Quebec is both part of Canada and not at the same time.

 

[SatNight]

I'm tired of this, but to answer this question (again), I don't think Canada is worth paying 100k to get into. French allows you to be LMIA exempt, but I got interviews and they outright told me that right now they're only considering people on PGWPs. I don't think Canadian education is worth anything close to 100k or whatever they charge for tuition.

That's why I don't care about being inland. If I get an ITA with my CRS, fine. If not, I've already moved on from Canada. I still value their passport, and that's all I care about if I do end up going to Canada.

Inland is easier, but to me, the price (in terms of dollars as well as time) is not worth it.

Fair enough, and indeed, those are good reasons. We wouldn't be able to become inland if money was required - the good thing is that PhD programs are funded so you don't pay anything. But it is 4+ years of life. Not a quick way at all.

 

[Deleted member 1006777]

Fair enough, and indeed, those are good reasons. We wouldn't be able to become inland if money was required - the good thing is that PhD programs are funded so you don't pay anything. But it is 4+ years of life. Not a quick way at all.

Not a quick way at all. PhDs are quite a commitment. Again representative of how you're not the category of CECs I make fun of.