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US outland applicants' thread :)

MizAngel

Star Member
Feb 14, 2013
139
6
Edmonton
Category........
Visa Office......
CPP-Ottawa
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
04/02/2014
Doc's Request.
11/03/2014
AOR Received.
23/04/2014
File Transfer...
09/05/2014
Med's Done....
19/02/2014
VISA ISSUED...
DM 12/08/2014, CoPR 20/08/2014
LANDED..........
23/08/2014
rhcohen2014 said:
yes, the approval paper, known as COPR (confirmation of permanent residency) does have an expiration date. No one can really tell you how long the COPR will be good for in your case because there are many factors it depends on, and the expiration date is set by CIC. Yes, it is generally on or a few weeks after the anniversary date of the medical exam. CIC has the ability to extend the medical exam if necessary. Currently, US applications that are straightforward and not complicated are being processed in 3 months. First rule of this forum - do NOT go by the posting processing time online for visa offices. They are not updated, and do NOT reflect TODAY'S processing time. Of course there is no knowing how long this "trend" will last.

Technically, since you have been married over 2 years and have a child, your wife won't have the "condition 51", which means she must cohabitate with you for 2 years after approval. So this means, she can technically "land" as a pr, then go back to the US to finish her studies. Note that any time she spends living apart from you will not be counted toward her permanent residency requirements. To avoid this, she can "land" as a pr in canada, then you guys can go back to the us together until you are ready to settle in canada. As long as you are living together, it counts toward PR, no matter where in the world you are. The only hiccup here is that in order to be approved, you must prove your intentions to move back to canada upon approval, so if you suggest staying in the US after approval, it may not result in a positive determination of the application. If you guys are not ready to move back yet, then it may be best to wait until it gets closer to when you plan to acutally move to canada.

Yes, you will need to prove to CIC that you intend to move back to Canada upon approval. this is a very standard piece for those living outside of canada at the time of the application. What people do is write letters and show a plan of where they intend to go, research done on areas, real estate, communities, job search possibilities, etc. Also, if you have family in canada, it's usually recommended to have family write letters showing their support and agreeing to help you get settled, by offering a place to stay, etc. Basically CIC wants to know you will not apply for welfare the minute you get there. The plan doesn't need to be concrete, it just needs to make sense.

Again, if you don't think you'll be going to canada anytime soon, it may be best to hold off on the application until it gets closer to when you will actually move to canada. Before OTtawa started fast tracking applications, the average seen on this forum was 8-10 months for processing, so ti's a good idea to start with that time frame and go from there. Again, don't go by the 15 month processing time. it isn't a "true" average, and i believe it is reflective of agency wide strikes and office closures. of course, the approval time may change again, it's just impossible to predict.

Good luck!
Just a note that the OP is the American citizen with a Canadian wife, so the OP will be the one landing and going back to the US, not the wife.
 

rhcohen2014

VIP Member
Apr 6, 2014
4,935
185
Category........
Visa Office......
Ottawa
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
March 17, 2014
Doc's Request.
April 11, 2014
AOR Received.
May 8, 2014
File Transfer...
May 9, 2014
Med's Request
upfront
Med's Done....
Nov 15, 2013
Interview........
waived
Passport Req..
July 15, 2014
VISA ISSUED...
July 25, 2014/ received August 1, 2014
LANDED..........
August 29, 2014
MizAngel said:
Just a note that the OP is the American citizen with a Canadian wife, so the OP will be the one landing and going back to the US, not the wife.
haha... whoops. same info still applies, i will edit it to avoid confusion. :)
 

Foster

Star Member
Dec 18, 2012
193
1
Canada
Category........
Visa Office......
CPP-O
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
May 30, 2013
AOR Received.
May 31, 2013
Med's Done....
April 26, 2013
dozel said:
What did they need from you? Your application wasn't transferred to LA?
They needed the IMM5604 Declaration from Non-Accompanying Parent/Guardian for Minors Immigrating to Canada done. I thought our application would be sent to LA as well but it's at the Ottawa office.
 

ICLDRIR

Member
Aug 26, 2014
12
0
rhcohen2014 said:
haha... whoops. same info still applies, i will edit it to avoid confusion. :)
Oh, thanks, I was confused there for a bit. Appreciate the info! Is there a place on the forum where people are listing or surveyed on their wait times from application submission to approval for US outbound applicants?
 

rhcohen2014

VIP Member
Apr 6, 2014
4,935
185
Category........
Visa Office......
Ottawa
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
March 17, 2014
Doc's Request.
April 11, 2014
AOR Received.
May 8, 2014
File Transfer...
May 9, 2014
Med's Request
upfront
Med's Done....
Nov 15, 2013
Interview........
waived
Passport Req..
July 15, 2014
VISA ISSUED...
July 25, 2014/ received August 1, 2014
LANDED..........
August 29, 2014
ICLDRIR said:
Oh, thanks, I was confused there for a bit. Appreciate the info! Is there a place on the forum where people are listing or surveyed on their wait times from application submission to approval for US outbound applicants?
i edited it, so it should make sense now.

yes, the ottawa thread has a spreadsheet. you can find it in my signature.
 

Mariac819

Hero Member
Feb 29, 2012
967
43
New York USA
Category........
Visa Office......
Ottawa
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
Sept. 10, 2014
Doc's Request.
May 06, 2015 - they lost my relationship proof and FBI clearance. They will accept copy of FBI, I sent in more relationship proof.
AOR Received.
Oct. 23, 2014 (By Phone)
File Transfer...
Oct. 28, 2014 (SA)
Med's Request
Upfront
Med's Done....
July 25, 2014
Interview........
waived
Passport Req..
none
VISA ISSUED...
DM - June 23, 2015 COPR June 24, 2015
LANDED..........
July 12, 2015
rhcohen2014 said:
yes, the ottawa thread has a spreadsheet. you can find it in my signature.
How do we get added to the Ottawa spread sheet and who edits and keeps it up to date? Thank you!
 

rhcohen2014

VIP Member
Apr 6, 2014
4,935
185
Category........
Visa Office......
Ottawa
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
March 17, 2014
Doc's Request.
April 11, 2014
AOR Received.
May 8, 2014
File Transfer...
May 9, 2014
Med's Request
upfront
Med's Done....
Nov 15, 2013
Interview........
waived
Passport Req..
July 15, 2014
VISA ISSUED...
July 25, 2014/ received August 1, 2014
LANDED..........
August 29, 2014
Mariac819 said:
How do we get added to the Ottawa spread sheet and who edits and keeps it up to date? Thank you!
the ottawa spreadsheet is now open for editing, so you can add yourself to it. just click on the link in my signature.
 

Mariac819

Hero Member
Feb 29, 2012
967
43
New York USA
Category........
Visa Office......
Ottawa
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
Sept. 10, 2014
Doc's Request.
May 06, 2015 - they lost my relationship proof and FBI clearance. They will accept copy of FBI, I sent in more relationship proof.
AOR Received.
Oct. 23, 2014 (By Phone)
File Transfer...
Oct. 28, 2014 (SA)
Med's Request
Upfront
Med's Done....
July 25, 2014
Interview........
waived
Passport Req..
none
VISA ISSUED...
DM - June 23, 2015 COPR June 24, 2015
LANDED..........
July 12, 2015
rhcohen2014 said:
the ottawa spreadsheet is now open for editing, so you can add yourself to it. just click on the link in my signature.
Thank you rhcohen2014 you are a wealth of knowledge! :)
 

jjoon

Star Member
May 15, 2014
54
2
Toronto & San Francisco
Category........
Visa Office......
Ottawa
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
Mailed 04-05, Deliv 09-05-2014
AOR Received.
xx-xx-2014
File Transfer...
xx-xx-2014
Med's Done....
25-02-2014
VISA ISSUED...
21-08-2014
LANDED..........
xx-xx-2014 not sure, the COPR caught me by surprise!
Mariac819 said:
Thank you rhcohen2014 you are a wealth of knowledge! :)
isn't she though?

btw rhcohen do i gather from your siggie that you landed TODAY??? If so, CONGRATS!!!

Next we'll have to start picking your brain for landing tips ;p
 

jjoon

Star Member
May 15, 2014
54
2
Toronto & San Francisco
Category........
Visa Office......
Ottawa
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
Mailed 04-05, Deliv 09-05-2014
AOR Received.
xx-xx-2014
File Transfer...
xx-xx-2014
Med's Done....
25-02-2014
VISA ISSUED...
21-08-2014
LANDED..........
xx-xx-2014 not sure, the COPR caught me by surprise!
FYI all - I just got my CPR last week, just 2.5 months after sending in application... there's hope! funny thing is I hadn't heard anything, not by email or mail, until now.

(I am spousal sponsorship, btw)
Added this to Ottawa and May 2014 Outland spreadsheets but thought I'd copy this update to here as well, to encourage anyone who applied but is not getting word of progress...

also to show their processing times seem to have speeded up a bit lately (several of the people on the May 2014 outland thread are "decision made" and one other person besides me already has CPR)
 

jjoon

Star Member
May 15, 2014
54
2
Toronto & San Francisco
Category........
Visa Office......
Ottawa
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
Mailed 04-05, Deliv 09-05-2014
AOR Received.
xx-xx-2014
File Transfer...
xx-xx-2014
Med's Done....
25-02-2014
VISA ISSUED...
21-08-2014
LANDED..........
xx-xx-2014 not sure, the COPR caught me by surprise!
rhcohen2014 said:
Currently, US applications that are straightforward and not complicated are being processed in 3 months.
well that's what i get for not checking in w this forum... i guess my processing time of 2.5 months is not unusual - but very welcome! now i'm almost positive the doc my sister in law received IS my CPR. ... what was wierd for me was that there were NO updates or documents or emails bw my application being sent and the CPR.

rhcohen2014 said:
To avoid this, you can "land" as a pr in canada, then you guys can go back to the us together until you are ready to settle in canada. As long as you are living together, it counts toward PR, no matter where in the world you are.
ok this is really intriguing... rhcohen do you happen to know where i can read up on this? We are particularly interested, bc although our permanent abode is going to be Canada, due to hubbie's work we spend LOTs of time outside Canada - so I would be delighted to know that I am still accruing my PR time while this is happening!

It also will definitely affect when I land - if this is true then the sooner the better, we can just pop up to Vancouver from SF for a weekend of fun (and LANDING!) while we are in San Francisco - then our time here while he is on a 3 month consulting gig will count for my pR right?

Also do you know if this is true about citizenship requirments as well? IE this time counts toward citizenship?

thanks a bunch for your help!
 

keesio

VIP Member
May 16, 2012
4,795
396
Toronto, Ontario
Category........
Visa Office......
CPP-O
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
09-01-2013
Doc's Request.
09-07-2013
AOR Received.
30-01-2013
File Transfer...
11-02-2013
Med's Done....
02-01-2013
Interview........
waived
Passport Req..
12-07-2013
VISA ISSUED...
15-08-2013
LANDED..........
14-10-2013
jjoon said:
ok this is really intriguing... rhcohen do you happen to know where i can read up on this? We are particularly interested, bc although our permanent abode is going to be Canada, due to hubbie's work we spend LOTs of time outside Canada - so I would be delighted to know that I am still accruing my PR time while this is happening!
It is documented under CIC's documentation for Permanent Residency Obligation:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/guides/5445ETOC.asp#appendixA

See under:

"OPTION 1. Accompanying a Canadian citizen outside Canada

You may count each day that you accompanied a Canadian citizen outside Canada provided that the person you accompanied is your spouse, common-law partner or parent (if you are a child under 19 years of age)."

This applies to PR residency but NOT towards residency for citizenship.
 

dozel

Star Member
Feb 9, 2014
159
2
Category........
Visa Office......
Ottawa --> LA
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
May-30-2013
AOR Received.
June-03-2013
Med's Done....
March-26-2013
Interview........
August-12-2014 (passed)
Passport Req..
September-24-2014
VISA ISSUED...
October-03-2014
keesio said:
It is documented under CIC's documentation for Permanent Residency Obligation:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/guides/5445ETOC.asp#appendixA

See under:

"OPTION 1. Accompanying a Canadian citizen outside Canada

You may count each day that you accompanied a Canadian citizen outside Canada provided that the person you accompanied is your spouse, common-law partner or parent (if you are a child under 19 years of age)."

This applies to PR residency but NOT towards residency for citizenship.
Under the "Minimum residency obligations".

"If you have been a permanent resident for less than five (5) years

you must show that you will be able to meet the minimum of 730 days of physical presence in Canada within five (5) years of the date you became a permanent resident."

So basically they are asking that you can prove you will stay in Canada for approx 2 years within 5 years of becoming a PR? Or you'll have to wait for 2 years, then you'll be eligible to apply for the PR card?
 

dozel

Star Member
Feb 9, 2014
159
2
Category........
Visa Office......
Ottawa --> LA
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
May-30-2013
AOR Received.
June-03-2013
Med's Done....
March-26-2013
Interview........
August-12-2014 (passed)
Passport Req..
September-24-2014
VISA ISSUED...
October-03-2014
keesio said:
It is documented under CIC's documentation for Permanent Residency Obligation:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/guides/5445ETOC.asp#appendixA

See under:

"OPTION 1. Accompanying a Canadian citizen outside Canada

You may count each day that you accompanied a Canadian citizen outside Canada provided that the person you accompanied is your spouse, common-law partner or parent (if you are a child under 19 years of age)."

This applies to PR residency but NOT towards residency for citizenship.
And without a PR card, every time you travel abroad, you need to apply for the travel document? That's crazy.
 

keesio

VIP Member
May 16, 2012
4,795
396
Toronto, Ontario
Category........
Visa Office......
CPP-O
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
09-01-2013
Doc's Request.
09-07-2013
AOR Received.
30-01-2013
File Transfer...
11-02-2013
Med's Done....
02-01-2013
Interview........
waived
Passport Req..
12-07-2013
VISA ISSUED...
15-08-2013
LANDED..........
14-10-2013
dozel said:
And without a PR card, every time you travel abroad, you need to apply for the travel document? That's crazy.
If you have a visa-exempt passport (like a US passport), then you don't really need one as commercial transport will let you board on your visa exempt status.