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SISH7255

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schwarzeradler said:
SISH7255,
Would you be kind enough to drop a few lines about your personal experience(s). The mere fact that one person or a few persons landed a job within hours, days or weeks of landing is not enough to judge the situation as a whole. It is just like, when an applicant gets his visa, and the whole forum gets into an Euphoric mood. How about the thousands that are waiting?
Majority of the people I have met and spoken to, seem to share the same views as yours and Mundo. They all agree that there are a lot of "Blue Collar Jobs" though.
Not that their is anything wrong with blue collar jobs, it is just that most of us, or better said, I personally think I have had my own fair share of going through doing this kind of jobs and would definitely won't like going through the same "ordeal" again.
Your experience on ground would definitely be of great help. I mean, both positive and negative.

Cheers!!!
schwarzeradler,

I am not in Canada yet. But what I hear from my realtive there or through the internet the job market in some professions is not good at all. For example, in the NOC 4131 or other teaching related NOC as we just discussed in other thread, nobody in Canada would even bother to recruit "accented english speaking" teachers (lecturers, instructors, professors). Almost no jobs for immigrants who has teaching related NOCs, even immigrants from native english speaking contries. Then why Canadian authority want these people to enter in Canada?to drive taxis, or to work in factory as a laborer or to fill the position of security guard? That is what Canadian immigration worth? Only blue color jobs for immigrants?

So guys, do your home work before landing, so that you won't be surprised.
 

David_TVO

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SISH7255 said:
schwarzeradler,

... what I hear from my realtive there or through the internet the job market in some professions is not good at all.
Thanks for you comment. The interview we did about "Finding A Job" in Canada was the most surprising for me. This was a group of highly skilled immigrants, doctors, engineers, etc., telling us how difficult it was to get work in their field. One doctor, an eye specialist from Egypt, said he knew it would be difficult, but actually found it to be "almost impossible" to find a job in his field. He now has a fellowship at leading Canadian university. I think Canada has to take a hard look at how it ensuring that foreign credentials and training are recognized by Canada's leading industries and universities.

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Leon

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I don't think it is the plan of immigration to recruit university professors to work as labourers. I think immigration is just not in tune with the job market. They think about who might be needed in Canada but not if the job market will accept the people who will arrive.

Anyway, it is not a bad idea to look for jobs online before deciding if to apply for PR. See what the employers say. Most will want nothing to do with you if you need a work permit but you could ask them if they would consider you if you had PR already. You should especially try to come to Canada on vacation and see if you can do some interviews. If your skills are in short supply, maybe you will even find an employer who will try to get you a work permit to get you sooner and you can apply for PR later or at least you can see how it is, talk to employers, find out what the money is like, what things cost etc.

Canada is no promised land. It has pros and cons like any other country. Financially, you may be better off staying where you are but for many people it is also about the future of their children. Some people feel it's worth it if they have to start at the bottom and work their way up again, possibly in a different field, if their children have a better chance.

In any case, starting fresh in a new country can be very hard. You can not really expect to walk into the same level job you had where you come from. If that happens, you are lucky. In most cases, you have to start a peg lower and prove yourself or take a survival job while you look for better or re-train in your field or train in a new field. If it is your wish to go to Canada, you can make it work but it might not happen without some sacrifices, especially in the beginning.
 

David_TVO

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Leon said:
... it is not a bad idea to look for jobs online before deciding if to apply for PR. See what the employers say. Most will want nothing to do with you if you need a work permit but you could ask them if they would consider you if you had PR already. You should especially try to come to Canada on vacation and see if you can do some interviews. If your skills are in short supply, maybe you will even find an employer who will try to get you a work permit to get you sooner and you can apply for PR later or at least you can see how it is, talk to employers, find out what the money is like, what things cost etc.
This is excellent advice. A lot of the points raised are what our guest said in "Advice for New Canadians". There was one doctor from Colombia who did not realize how long it takes for the medical exams to be graded and approved. She wish she had known that she could have done most exams back home and saved the living expenses. All of the guests in the video stressed the importance of researching Canada before you come, and to try and establish contacts before you get here.

Video( if have to paste the link into your browser), Advice for New Canadians :

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clubcanada

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I believe it would be better to allow the landed immigrant to challenge the exam once he reach Canada. If he doesn't make it in 3 tries, he has a chance either to go back to school and upgrade his profession or he can pursue another course for a change in career. What I'm try to point out is for these professionals (whose professions are considered regulated in Canada) be allowed to challenge the exams right away once they land since the skills and experience they bring is very much related to what they were doing when they were still in their country of origin. Just imagine if you're a licensed engineer with 15 years experience back home and when you land in Canada, your credentials are assessed and results show you are only in a level of a third year engineering student? For sure you'll end up working as a laborer in the construction industry.
I understand what you're saying, but for many regulated jobs this will not work as the educational systems around the globe differ too much. In addition, procedures and methods can vary dramatically between regions. A doctor from Nigeria might follow different procedures than a doc from New Zealand. Even between developed countries there's a huge difference in treatments and education. The current regulations are a mixture between protection (of an industry) and quality assurance. Personally I think immigrants should accept the existing rules in Canada and not to try changing them. Immigrants choose to come to Canada and they should accept the prerequisits.
I got to admit, that the immigration system was a little bit misleading in the past (and still it is in some areas) as immigrants thought that as soon as they qualify for immigration, they'd have good chances on the labour market. Most landed immigrants know that the challenge starts when receiving your PR visa and not before.
 

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clubcanada said:
I understand what you're saying, but for many regulated jobs this will not work as the educational systems around the globe differ too much. In addition, procedures and methods can vary dramatically between regions. A doctor from Nigeria might follow different procedures than a doc from New Zealand....
The points above should be considered. And,if you are coming to Canada as a skilled professional, it is important to check what exams and accreditation you need for your occupation in Canada. Try to find out how much of this can be completed in your home country, and start developing contacts before you come to Canada. Search Canadian blogs and forums on your profession and start reaching out.

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David_TVO said:
The points above should be considered. And,if you are coming to Canada as a skilled professional, it is important to check what exams and accreditation you need for your occupation in Canada. Try to find out how much of this can be completed in your home country, and start developing contacts before you come to Canada. Search Canadian blogs and forums on your profession and start reaching out.

Totally agree with this point, for me, my profession surely needs a Cert: to work in Canada. Hence, before setting foot in Canada, I should have surely prepared the essential things as possible as I can, either fully or partially, to play the tough game.With bare hands I daren’t to touch the fire, daren’t to rely on the erratic luck. I would have done thorough research pertaining to my field. However, even though I would have done what I need/should before landing, I would have still expected a potential period of hiatus and other would-be problems. In that case, I should have set another Plan- B to overcome these issues. Perhaps, like almost all of skilled professional around the world, it is pretty difficult to make a decision to start afresh somewhere new and to leave the comfortable zone. I am really glad to listen to the diverse voices from landed people and appreciate their information either encouraging or discouraging .Accept or reject is just own judgement. As taking a challenge is merely own decision.
 

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Leon said:
I don't think it is the plan of immigration to recruit university professors to work as labourers. I think immigration is just not in tune with the job market. They think about who might be needed in Canada but not if the job market will accept the people who will arrive.
Do respect your sayings. I would highly appreciate if you could provide me with your views on the questions.

What’s your outlook on the 29 NOCs list that was newly introduced on 26th June 2010?
Are those NOCs still highly demanded professions in Canada?
If so, how do you think about the job market for those 29 NOCs?
 

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kathe said:

What's your outlook on the 29 NOCs list that was newly introduced on 26th June 2010?
Are those NOCs still highly demanded professions in Canada?
If so, how do you think about the job market for those 29 NOCs?
I have no opinion of the list myself but I know they wrote that list after working together with the industry to find out what the industry says they need. I believe they will change this list as needed, possibly it will be revised every year.
 

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Leon said:
I have no opinion of the list myself but I know they wrote that list after working together with the industry to find out what the industry says they need. I believe they will change this list as needed, possibly it will be revised every year.
Thanks for reply!
 

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This is an excellent thread that will prepare the minds of would be Canadians. Please keep the flow.

I am a Chartered Accountant with over 6years post qualification experience. In all, i have about 10years experience in Accountancy. i have three questions

*is UK's ACCA or American CPA recognized in Canada in such a manner that i will fit into the market effortlessly?
*if i need to write an exam to qualify as a Chartered Account in Canada, which professional body's exam are you recommending? i know there could be so many out there!
*Do you advise that i start writing the exam now that my application is 'in process' stage.

Thx, KC
 

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This is a separate thread in this forum which addresses your concerns
 

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Leon said:
I don't think it is the plan of immigration to recruit university professors to work as labourers. I think immigration is just not in tune with the job market. They think about who might be needed in Canada but not if the job market will accept the people who will arrive.

Anyway, it is not a bad idea to look for jobs online before deciding if to apply for PR. See what the employers say. Most will want nothing to do with you if you need a work permit but you could ask them if they would consider you if you had PR already. You should especially try to come to Canada on vacation and see if you can do some interviews. If your skills are in short supply, maybe you will even find an employer who will try to get you a work permit to get you sooner and you can apply for PR later or at least you can see how it is, talk to employers, find out what the money is like, what things cost etc.

Canada is no promised land. It has pros and cons like any other country. Financially, you may be better off staying where you are but for many people it is also about the future of their children. Some people feel it's worth it if they have to start at the bottom and work their way up again, possibly in a different field, if their children have a better chance.

In any case, starting fresh in a new country can be very hard. You can not really expect to walk into the same level job you had where you come from. If that happens, you are lucky. In most cases, you have to start a peg lower and prove yourself or take a survival job while you look for better or re-train in your field or train in a new field. If it is your wish to go to Canada, you can make it work but it might not happen without some sacrifices, especially in the beginning.
Well explained by Respected Leon.
I have an example for moral If you follow the rule ,you will never disappoint in your life


The Japanese have always loved fresh fish. But the water close to Japan has
not held many fish for decades. So to feed the Japanese population, fishing
boats got bigger and went farther than ever. The farther the fishermen went,
the longer it took to bring the fish. If the return trip took more time, the
fish were not fresh. To solve this problem, fish companies installed
freezers on their boats. They would catch the fish and freeze them at sea.
Freezers allowed the boats to go farther and stay longer.

However, the Japanese could taste the difference between fresh and frozen
fish. And they did not like the taste of frozen fish. The frozen fish
brought a lower price. So, fishing companies installed fish tanks. They
would catch the fish and stuff them in the tanks, fin to fin. After a little
thrashing around, they were tired, dull, and lost their fresh-fish taste.
The fishing industry faced an impending crisis! But today, they get
fresh-tasting fish to Japan. How did they manage? To keep the fish tasting
fresh, the Japanese fishing companies still put the fish in the tanks but
with a small shark. The fish are challenged and hence are constantly on the
move.

Moral:
The challenge they face keeps them alive and fresh! Have you realized that
some of us are also living in a pond but most of the time tired and dull?
Basically in our lives, sharks are new challenges to keep us active. If you
are steadily conquering challenges, you are happy. Your challenges keep you
energized. Don't create success and revel in it in a state of inertia. You
have the resources, skills and abilities to make a difference. Put a shark
in your tank and see how far you can really go.
 

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Kanamen said:
Well explained by Respected Leon.
I have an example for moral If you follow the rule ,you will never disappoint in your life


The Japanese have always loved fresh fish. But the water close to Japan has
not held many fish for decades. So to feed the Japanese population, fishing
boats got bigger and went farther than ever. The farther the fishermen went,
the longer it took to bring the fish. If the return trip took more time, .......[/color]
Great post. Thanks for this.