Do they know if we leave Canada?

[adame]

UK is just like Canada, they don't stamp your passport on departures.. and I thought then they will never know.. I was wrong.

I recently requested my travel history from the UK and to my surprise they also listed most of my departures .. very accurately.. even with the destination airport and some comments like " departure confirmed" or "passenger checked in"

Does anyone knows if the same happens in Canada? Do they know when we depart ?

I thought airlines keep those info confidential and not share those info with the government unless authorized by the passenger..


scary..

 

[zardoz]

UK is just like Canada, they don't stamp your passport on departures.. and I thought then they will never know.. I was wrong.

I recently requested my travel history from the UK and to my surprise they listed most of my departures to.. very accurately.. even with the destination airport and some comments like " departure confirmed" or "passenger checked in"

Does anyone knows if the same happens in Canada? Do they know when we depart ?

I thought airlines keep those info confidential and not share those info with the government unless authorized by the passenger..


scary..

You have to be joking... Seriously? Of course governments know who's coming and going..

 

[adame]

This does not make sense

IF they do know when we leave, then why on earth we have to go through all the rubbish RQ and other evidences of staying here for 3 years. they can simply refer to the records.. if they keep one!!

I say they don't know your departures.. but my latest experience with the UKBA is confusing me

 

[zardoz]

You were referring to airlines.. The UKBA doesn't always track you leaving by other means, such as rail or sea.

 

[adame]

Very unfair!!
How can we cheat then?!

 

[zardoz]

Blame
a) terrorism
b) the USA

 

[CanuckForEver]

This does not make sense

IF they do know when we leave, then why on earth we have to go through all the rubbish RQ and other evidences of staying here for 3 years. they can simply refer to the records.. if they keep one!!

I say they don't know your departures.. but my latest experience with the UKBA is confusing me

oh! They've got it. It is not that they haven't gotten it so they're delaying your applications. It is to see if they deliberately put on hold for the next 4 years will you still stay in Canada. If so then you're worth processing for citizenship. They not only want to know that your 1095 days are genuine but also want to assure that you stay and work for the aging population. My frustration is what's exactly unreasonable in this that they don't come clean on it. That's the point I don't like!

 

[adame]

Doesn`t make sense again
because if you leave on your 1096 day, you will still get it.. this is the law, isn`t it
so staying after the 3 years is ill-relevant

I dont think they know, but how comes you are very sure they do؟

 

[CanuckForEver]

As per my understanding the border agents have records of even the land crossings, which is the least traceable. So they do keep a record, though it makes sense that it can be only inbound. The reason they're not gung-ho about it is because they do not want any illegals to persistently stay in the country if they keep checking meticulously for passports and visas. If you're leaving the country, well and good for you, have a safe journey, good riddance. May be the next time you try to enter illegally again, we'll get you. That's the attitude with countries like USA and Canada, needless to say Canada heavily bases its policies and practices in line with and identical to USA's. USA need to follow this process at least to get rid of the illegals who decide to get out after making some money. But to answer your question on where do the relevance comes if you travel crazily to foreign countries after finishing 1095 days. You see just because you finished off 1095 days and applied, you are not sure those are the time range the CIC officer is considering to check your CBSA records. The time he comes to CBSA records it would have been at least 6 to 8 months when you have clearly established a prolonged or frequent trips back and forth. I'm guessing that's the way it might affect your processing. But this is just a reason because quite a few did get citizenships hassle-free even after traveling after 1095 days. Now, there could be experienced members who would vehemently refute this logic or even call it stupid. But no one can deny this possibility, its can always happen!

 

[SenoritaBella]

All flight manifests are shared with CBSA, so you can bet your bottom dollar they have the records. They actually refer to it, the new forms have a question to authorise access to these records.

I attended a workshop a few years back and one of the booths had posters/information about privacy and confidentiality. I was shocked to learn just how much information is recorded on everyone daily. Did you know that when you book a flight(or make reservations) the airline is required to run your name through some databases(I'm guessing 'do not fly lists', etc) before you can be cleared for take off?

So if you are travelling from Canada to Australia, every country you land or whose airspace you will flyover(e.g. the US) is provided a flight manifest. This makes absolute sense considering people have lied on applications forms about their travels yet CIC discovered it. e.g. one case last year of a guy who spent a few years in Italy but left it off his application and CIC uncovered it. This also explains why people can get away with security at one airport but be detained on arrival.

 

[Suin]

UK is just like Canada, they don't stamp your passport on departures.. and I thought then they will never know.. I was wrong.

I recently requested my travel history from the UK and to my surprise they also listed most of my departures .. very accurately.. even with the destination airport and some comments like " departure confirmed" or "passenger checked in"

Does anyone knows if the same happens in Canada? Do they know when we depart ?

I thought airlines keep those info confidential and not share those info with the government unless authorized by the passenger..


scary..

They do always scan your passport any time you leave and arrive. They do not need to stamp the passport, as as soon as it's scanned the complete info is in their database.

 

[Suin]

This does not make sense

IF they do know when we leave, then why on earth we have to go through all the rubbish RQ and other evidences of staying here for 3 years. they can simply refer to the records.. if they keep one!!

simply...because they are lazy!

 

[Nordicgirl]

They also scan permanent residents' PR cards at least on arrival to Canada. I don't know if they scan them when you leave Canada, I don't see that well behind the counter

 

[Suin]

They also scan permanent residents' PR cards at least on arrival to Canada. I don't know if they scan them when you leave Canada, I don't see that well behind the counter

yes, they do. they always ask me to give them my PR card on check in and scan it - any time I leave and arrive back.

 

[adame]

Guys, this is not the point. The point is Air canada is something and the immigration is something else.. they can not simply exchange information, it is by law confidential. just like the bank statements and information. its confidential and can not be shared between different parties without your consent..
so it does seem that the immigration know we leave but the only way they can know is through the airlines.. is that allowed legally?
Plus aircanada is a publlic company not a governmental agency.
strange