Bill C-24 Second Reading on February 27th:

[sicko86]

I don't want to get into an argument with anyone. I think we should be here sharing information...information based on facts and research. I personally am not opposed at all to someone doing an analysis of previous laws to see how quickly they went into effect. That *may* give us some insight into how quickly the Government will implement C-24. What we DO know already is that the provisions dealing with number of years will NOT come into effect immediately. Therefore, when some people keep writing that the bill will pass (say) tomorrow and go into effect immediately, that's not helpful, because it's false. People are going to have some time before they must get their applications in under the old rules. We just don't know how much time that will be.

Thanks Alphazip .. all my comments are mainly replies to people who claim the law will come into force immediately.

People like Civic just see one side .. he criticize me for my reasonable research which completely make sense but of course doesnt guarantee anything while other people are just saying it will come into force directly without even any evidence of that or even a previous similar case and those people who will let others freakout .. not me!

 

[chakrab]

Are you guys 100% sure that this will not affect the already-submitted applications? Say law comes into force Jul 1st. Then anyone who wants to be a canadian citizen on July 2nd (no matter when application submitted) should have been in canada for four years out of six have intent etc. With this logic, this could also affect the already-submitted applications. People who have became a citizen on June 31st or before do not get affected, everyone else will. Does this make sense??

no, the changes are not retroactive. we didn't have to pay the additional fees or use the new forms once the application was in process.

 

[sicko86]

They should implement a fair procedure .. saying for example on certain day when the new law come into force. Anyone before that day who had 1095 can apply on the old rules while anyone with less than 1095 on that day the new law will apply to him/her.

For example if person X had 1200 days on the day of the enforcement of the new law .. they can't just tell him go apply on the new law because he was eligible already but for some reason he didn't fill the application! he should be punished for that .. it is not a rally!

 

[grumpy121]

They should implement a fair procedure .. saying for example on certain day when the new law come into force. Anyone before that day who had 1095 can apply on the old rules while anyone with less than 1095 on that day the new law will apply to him/her.

For example if person X had 1200 days on the day of the enforcement of the new law .. they can't just tell him go apply on the new law because he was eligible already but for some reason he didn't fill the application! he should be punished for that .. it is not a rally!

Agree!

 

[chakrab]

They should implement a fair procedure .. saying for example on certain day when the new law come into force. Anyone before that day who had 1095 can apply on the old rules while anyone with less than 1095 on that day the new law will apply to him/her.

For example if person X had 1200 days on the day of the enforcement of the new law .. they can't just tell him go apply on the new law because he was eligible already but for some reason he didn't fill the application! he should be punished for that .. it is not a rally!

that's not how it works. it's based on rules on the day of application received.

by that logic if a person stays for 4 years in canada and then decides on not to stay for next 4 years, he can't say that once qualified means always qualified.

in fact there was a case where the person submitted the application right on the edge and then went off the country. his application was returned due to error and he couldn't re-apply right away because the vacation screwed up the timeline.

 

[abdel2010]

why not sending an email to the minister himself and asking him all the questions we are discussing here?

 

[sicko86]

that's not how it works. it's based on rules on the day of application received.

by that logic if a person stays for 4 years in canada and then decides on not to stay for next 4 years, he can't say that once qualified means always qualified.

in fact there was a case where the person submitted the application right on the edge and then went off the country. his application was returned due to error and he couldn't re-apply right away because the vacation screwed up the timeline.

Why can't that person resign it claimming the same period he claimed before?

Lets Say you sign an application Today (18/6) and your residency claim is ends in (17/6/2014) and for some reason your application is returned for an error .. do you have to update the residency period accordingly? Cant you just claim the same period and change the signed date?

 

[sicko86]

why not sending an email to the minister himself and asking him all the questions we are discussing here?

He can be reached via twitter but I am not sure if he will give any info.

 

[MasterGeek]

Quotes from senate second reading http://www.parl.gc.ca/Content/Sen/Chamber/412/Debates/073db_2014-06-17-e.htm?Language=E

Senator Eggleton: He said it is important that we get it right, that we get it right from the beginning.

Honourable senators, despite the flaw in this process, the Standing Senate Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Technology will now consider the bill formally, and I will be introducing amendments for consideration to help address some of the concerns and issues that I've talked about in this second reading debate.

(On motion of Senator Eaton, bill referred to the Standing Senate Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Technology.)

Does this mean the bill will be delayed or amended ?

 

[chakrab]

Why can't that person resign it claimming the same period he claimed before?

Lets Say you sign an application Today (18/6) and your residency claim is ends in (17/6/2014) and for some reason your application is returned for an error .. do you have to update the residency period accordingly? Cant you just claim the same period and change the signed date?

it's based on date received. there can't be too much difference between date signed and date received. that's the rule. otherwise none of these people need to worry. let's say we don't know till july when the rule changes. you cant apply then, saying i was eligible back in may if the rule changes in july.

 

[sicko86]

it's based on date received. there can't be too much difference between date signed and date received. that's the rule. otherwise none of these people need to worry. let's say we don't know till july when the rule changes. you cant apply then, saying i was eligible back in may if the rule changes in july.

Putting Bill C-24 aside, is there any limitation between the date for signing the application and the last day of claimed residency period? (under the current rules).

For example you applied in Feb 2014, Claiming the period July 2009-July2013 .. is that not acceptable?

 

[paw339]

Putting Bill C-24 aside, is there any limitation between the date for signing the application and the last day of claimed residency period? (under the current rules).

For example you applied in Feb 2014, Claiming the period July 2009-July2013 .. is that not acceptable?

Unfortunately not as the calculation is done from the application date

 

[chakrab]

Why can't that person resign it claimming the same period he claimed before?

Lets Say you sign an application Today (18/6) and your residency claim is ends in (17/6/2014) and for some reason your application is returned for an error .. do you have to update the residency period accordingly? Cant you just claim the same period and change the signed date?

Note. Your application will be returned to you if:

the form is not signed and dated,
stale-dated (dated more than 90 days before CIC receives it),
post-dated (dated into the future).

 

[sicko86]

Note. Your application will be returned to you if:

the form is not signed and dated,
stale-dated (dated more than 90 days before CIC receives it),
post-dated (dated into the future).

Thanks!

 

[chakrab]

Thanks!

even 90 days is a stretch and one may be RQed if the dates are 3 months older.