Bill C-24 Second Reading on February 27th:

[u4g5]

Guys, i just emailed the famous Richard Kurland and he got back to me saying:

"NOBODY KNOWS"

I asked him about my application wont reach Sydney until June 20 and whether i will be still eligible to apply under the current law.

 

[sicko86]

Great move at Senate. I heard the Senate is Cons-dominant. I hope they wake up and realize the wrong sides of this Bill and stop it right there.

It is only the Liberals/NDP who are concerned .. they can't do anything .. I watched the meeting yesterday .. Why do you have any news related to rejection from Conservative Senate Members?

 

[sicko86]

Guys, i just emailed the famous Richard Kurland and he got back to me saying:

"NOBODY KNOWS"

I asked him about my application wont reach Sydney until June 20 and whether i will be still eligible to apply under the current law.

What did you email him exactly? (When it will come into force)

 

[u4g5]

to me, it seems like the Minister can announce anytime that from " 2014-XX-XX", a citizenship applicant must physically present in Canada for 4 year out of a 6 year period.

 

[chakrab]

It is only the Liberals/NDP who are concerned .. they can't do anything .. I watched the meeting yesterday .. Why do you have any news related to rejection from Conservative Senate Members?

there are only conservative, ndp and independent senators in the senate now

 

[civic]

Maybe CIC will post a notice on next Monday on their website saying applications received on or after June 23 will be returned or processed according to new rules. They have a record of doing things overnight like this so people can't flood applications

 

[sicko86]

to me, it seems like the Minister can announce anytime that from " 2014-XX-XX", a citizenship applicant must physically present in Canada for 4 year out of a 6 year period.

Yes thats true actually it should be 201X-XX-XX

 

[u4g5]

from me:
Mr Kurland,
thank you so much for the quick reply. But from a legal
prospective, once a bill has passed 3rd reading in the house, does it
mean it is going into force immediately? This is my last question,
thanks again.

From Kurland:
There are other steps as well

so i guess everybody, even the smartest, is clueless at this point?

 

[u4g5]

I talked to Chantel, another lawyer who had appeared on committee, and her answer is always " i dont know " when i ask when this new law will come into full force.

Guess we MUST wait until the bill receives royal assent.

The application fee was increased without approval of parliament so i really dont what sorda power does CIC has to implement all these changes. Can they come out tomorrow and say any applicant who apply b4 June 16 will be treated under the new law?

It is a very IMPORTANT date as its the date the bill C-24 passed the house of common.

 

[MrB]

I called the senate, and spoke to numerous assistants of the senators responsible for the bill, they said the senators are being pressured to pass it this week. They also mentioned it most certainly will pass but the coming into force will likely take longer.

 

[u4g5]

I called the senate, and spoke to numerous assistants of the senators responsible for the bill, they said the senators are being pressured to pass it this week. They also mentioned it most certainly will pass but the coming into force will likely take longer.

i was gonna call CIC call center to find out.

now i dont even need to bother?

 

[on-hold]

I talked to Chantel, another lawyer who had appeared on committee, and her answer is always " i dont know " when i ask when this new law will come into full force.

Guess we MUST wait until the bill receives royal assent.

The application fee was increased without approval of parliament so i really dont what sorda power does CIC has to implement all these changes. Can they come out tomorrow and say any applicant who apply b4 June 16 will be treated under the new law?

It is a very IMPORTANT date as its the date the bill C-24 passed the house of common.

It's almost as if multiple informed sources are saying that there's no way to know what is going to happen, and we can sit and wait without parsing pointless minutiae. Those who are eligible to apply can apply, and those who aren't eligible can wait until they are.

 

[civic]

I talked to Chantel, another lawyer who had appeared on committee, and her answer is always " i dont know " when i ask when this new law will come into full force.

Guess we MUST wait until the bill receives royal assent.

The application fee was increased without approval of parliament so i really dont what sorda power does CIC has to implement all these changes. Can they come out tomorrow and say any applicant who apply b4 June 16 will be treated under the new law?

It is a very IMPORTANT date as its the date the bill C-24 passed the house of common.

Then why CIC still keep application forms and instruction for citizenship application under current rules on their website until now. If they want to enforce new rules now this should have been updated or paused.

 

[alphazip]

u4g5, you keep saying the same thing again and again about C-24 going into effect immediately. We already know that the provisions relating to the number of years required to apply for citizenship will go into effect on a date that will be decided by the Government AT A LATER TIME. Your e-mail from Mr. Kurland does not say "nobody knows". He is simply stating that there are other steps (Royal Assent, etc.) before a bill (meaning a bill in general) becomes law.

 

[sicko86]

u4g5, you keep saying the same thing again and again about C-24 going into effect immediately. We already know that the provisions relating to the number of years required to apply for citizenship will go into effect on a date that will be decided by the Government AT A LATER TIME. Your e-mail from Mr. Kurland does not say "nobody knows". He is simply stating that there are other steps (Royal Assent, etc.) before a bill (meaning a bill in general) becomes law.

No Body knows doesnt mean it will come into force directly .. it just means "no body knows" because they didnt specify that in the Bill Clearly. And this can't be compared to Raising fees scenario .. this will be announced ahead of time for sure.

Based on all Previous Citizenship Acts it took at least 6 months to come into force