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As per WES site for Indian Degree-->

"Request for all mark sheets to be sent directly to WES by the institution responsible for conducting the examinations
-OR-
You may have photocopies of your original mark sheets attested by the Controller of Examinations or Registrar’s Office. Please request for the attested photocopies to be placed in an official sealed envelope and have the envelope returned to you to forward to WES.
NOTE: Mark sheets attested by persons outside the Controller of Examination or Registrar's Offices, such as individual professors or external notary publics, will NOT be accepted.
NOTES:
College-issued and attested mark sheets will NOT be accepted unless from an autonomous college. To check whether your college has autonomous status
"

Now my question is--? Since my college is not an autonomous college, do i have only option of sending the transcripts from my college instead of sending attested photocopies of my original marksheets???
 

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Indian01 said:
Hi janeyandstuart,
I read your old posts, are you applying for family or self only? Actually if I am applying for family and also claiming points for spouse, it seems I will have to send both my and my spouse's transcripts for evaluation, is it right understanding? Docs should be for both pricipal and secondary applicant, it seems.
You are right, both needed to be assessed.
 

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coolguy2010 said:
Spouse education will not give u points

Spouse IELTS needs to be submitted (min 4 band) to claim 5 points
Man, u r Wrong. Read rules again.
 

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tomsware said:
Man, u r Wrong. Read rules again.
God. Should I send my wive's education also for assessment.

Im claiming points under

Factor 6 – Adaptability (maximum 10 points)
Accompanying Spouse / Common-Law Partner’s Education:
A two-year diploma, trade certificate or apprenticeship or university degree at the bachelor’s level and completed at least 14 years of full-time or full-time equivalent studies


Is it mentioned anywhere in CIC website? Should the secondary applicant need ECS?

Please reply
 

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coolguy2010 said:
Spouse education will not give u points

Spouse IELTS needs to be submitted (min 4 band) to claim 5 points
Hi coolguy, there is points for wives education.

Im claiming points under

Factor 6 – Adaptability (maximum 10 points)
Accompanying Spouse / Common-Law Partner's Education:
A two-year diploma, trade certificate or apprenticeship or university degree at the bachelor's level and completed at least 14 years of full-time or full-time equivalent studies
 

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read at the end .....for detail follow the link

http://gazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p1/2012/2012-08-18/html/reg2-eng.html.

*** FSWC (Federal Skilled Worker Class) ***


The FSWC program will continue to use points to assess eligibility and the pass mark will remain 67 points. There will be changes to how points are awarded and to the requirements:

* Language proficiency [up to 24 points for first language and up to 4 points for the second official language]
- CIC proposes "(1) requiring minimum language abilities in order to qualify for the program; and (2) significantly increasing the maximum points awarded for fluency in one official language from 16 points to 24 points."
- "The number of points for the second official language would be reduced from 8 points to 4 points"
- Eligibility and points:
* First official language
° Minimum threshold in all abilities initially set at CLB/NCLC 7 - this would also grant 4 points per ability
° CLB/NCLC 8: 5 points per ability
° CLB/NCLC 9: 6 points per ability
* Second official language
° Maximum of 4 points awarded for at least CLB/NCLC 5 in all abilities

NOTE: You can estimate the number of points you'll get from your IELTS following the table in my post here

* Age [up to 12 points]
- "The revised selection grid would favour younger immigrants by awarding a maximum of 12 points for applicants aged 18 to 35, compared to applicants aged 21 to 49 who receive maximum points for age under the current grid, with diminishing points awarded until age 46. With the proposed changes, no age points would be awarded after age 46; however, workers aged 47 or older would continue to be eligible for the program."
- Points would be awarded based on age:
18 through 35 years old: 12 points
36 years old: 11 points
37 years old: 10 points
For each additional year of age, subtract one point so: | 38 yo -> 9pts | 39 yo -> 8pts | 40 yo -> 7pts | 41 yo -> 6pts | 42 yo -> 5pts | 43 yo -> 4pts | 44 yo -> 3pts | 45 yo -> 2pts and
46 years old: 1 point
47 and over: 0 points"

* Work experience [up to 15 points]
- "CIC is proposing to reduce the total number of points for work experience from 21 to 15, and increase the years of experience required to achieve full points, from four years to six."
- Points would be awarded for:
1 year of work experience: 9 points
2-3 years of work experience: 11 points
4-5 years of work experience: 13 points
6+ years of work experience: 15 points

* Education [up to 25 points]
- The new FSWC program would require a foreign educational credential assessment. "Currently, education points are based on having a credential and the number of years required to obtain it. Organizations with expertise in authentication and assessment of foreign educational credentials and professional bodies recognized by provincial regulatory bodies will be eligible to apply for designation by CIC to provide credential assessment and authentication for FSWC purposes. Designated organizations would work on a case-by-case basis to authenticate credentials obtained in foreign jurisdictions and determine their equivalent value in Canada. This measure would allow CIC to benefit from a better assessment of the quality of a foreign educational credential. Applicants whose credentials do not exist in Canada as well as those who do not have a credential equivalent to a completed Canadian credential would not be eligible for the FSWC.

Education points would be awarded based on the equivalent Canadian educational credential and points would be redistributed in recognition of the credential's relevance in the Canadian labour market.

In the case of applicants who have listed a regulated occupation in their application, where a professional body has been designated by CIC to conduct such assessments, the applicant must submit that professional body's foreign educational credential assessment establishing that the foreign educational credential is equivalent to the Canadian educational credential required to practice that occupation.

Furthermore, should the assessment of an applicant's credential by a professional body not demonstrate that the credential is equivalent to the Canadian credential required for the occupation listed in the application, the applicant will not be eligible to apply in the Federal Skilled Worker Class under that occupation.

All other applicants must submit a foreign educational credential assessment provided by a designated organization to demonstrate that their educational credential is equivalent to a Canadian educational credential."

- Points would be awarded based on the Canadian equivalent with the following distribution:
Doctoral level: 25 points
Master's level or professional degree: 23 points
Two or more post-secondary credentials, one of which is a three-year or longer post-secondary credential: 22 points
Three-year or longer post-secondary credential: 21 points
Two-year post-secondary credential: 19 points
One-year post-secondary credential: 15 points
Secondary school: 5 points

*Arranged Employment [up to 15 points]
- The Arranged Employment Option would be replaced with the LMO. "Employers would be required to apply for a labour market opinion (LMO) to HRSDC, whether it is in support of a temporary work permit application and/or a permanent residence application. Eliminating the arranged employment opinion (AEO) and replacing it with the LMO is intended to reduce the burden on employers in the event the worker seeks to apply for permanent residence concurrently with a temporary work permit application."

"FSWC applicants with a positive or neutral LMO from HRSDC could be awarded up to 15 points on the selection grid."

"Some exceptions to the requirement for an LMO would apply with respect to labour mobility provisions under international agreements such as NAFTA and GATS. In these instances, employers would need to demonstrate to CIC that they are making a qualifying job offer (i.e. non-seasonal and indeterminate)."


*Adaptability [up to 10 points]
- Up to 10 adaptability points would continue to be awarded, with changes to how they are accrued:
- "The maximum number of points (10) would be awarded if the principal applicant (PA) has qualifying previous work experience in Canada.
- Spousal education would be replaced "with spousal basic language proficiency to improve the likelihood of a family's successful integration and to reduce spousal vulnerability"
- To get 5 points for previous study in Canada for either the applicant or accompanying spouse, "the applicant or accompanying spouse would need to have obtained, studying full time in a program of at least a two-year duration, the necessary credits to successfully complete two years of study. For the purposes of adaptability, secondary school will be accepted as an eligible program of study."
- Points would continue to be awarded for a relative in Canada, but "CIC would be introducing minimum age criteria to increase the likelihood that the relative will be able to play a role in facilitating the economic and social integration of the applicant.
- "Adaptability points will not be awarded for spouses who are Canadian citizens or permanent residents living in Canada, as they can sponsor applicants through the Family Class."
- "Currently all applicants with qualifying offers of arranged employment in Canada are exempt from providing proof of settlement funds, whether they are working in Canada or not. The proposed regulations would amend the exemption so that it would no longer apply points to recipients of arranged employment who are not working or authorized to work in Canada. All other applicants would be required to provide proof of settlement funds."
- Thus, a maximum of 10 adaptability points will be awarded based on 4 elements:
1) Previous study in Canada (studying full-time for at least 2 academic years in a program of at least 2 years duration. For the purposes of adaptability, secondary school will be accepted as an eligible program of study.)
° Principal Applicant: 5 points
° Accompanying spouse/partner: 5 points

2) Prior full-time work experience in Canada "under a work permit or under section 186 of at least one year in Canada by the skilled worker in an occupation that is listed in Skill Type 0 Management Occupations or Skill Level A or B of the National Occupational Classification matrix"
° Principal Applicant: 10 points
° Accompanying spouse/partner: 5 points

3) Relative in Canada (18 or older): 5 points
4) Language skills - accompanying spouse/partner - at (CLB/NCLC 4): 5 points

Pass mark would remain 67
 

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Hi Coolguy

The one you pasted seems to be completely different from the self assessment test.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/assess/index.asp

Which one should we follow? :-(
 

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Please check below thread - 1st page of thread.....

CIC has not finalized the selection criteria ...it will be announced by 4th may

They have proposed new criteria in Aug 2012 same which I have showed u

http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/new-fsw-points-criteria-announced-new-federal-skilled-trades-class-fstc-t115576.0.html



rose4rose said:
Hi Coolguy

The one you pasted seems to be completely different from the self assessment test.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/assess/index.asp

Which one should we follow? :-(
 

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proposed changes has been declared by CIC in Aug 2012.

Please go thru the previous post of mine in this thread

tomsware said:
Man, u r Wrong. Read rules again.
 

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coolguy2010 said:
Please check below thread - 1st page of thread.....

CIC has not finalized the selection criteria ...it will be announced by 4th may

They have proposed new criteria in Aug 2012 same which I have showed u

http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/new-fsw-points-criteria-announced-new-federal-skilled-trades-class-fstc-t115576.0.html
My GOD. Im shocked!! Now I doubt if I get the minimum 67 points

Cooldude can u plz help

My Age is 31
IELTS score is Listening(7.5), Reading(8.5), Writing(7) and Speaking( 8 )
I have 7.5 years work ex
Im BTech with total 10+2+4(16) years education

How many points I have?
 

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hei ! cool, it seems you dont know that new FSW rules has been officially published on April 18th !

please go to cic website and you will find adaptability is still based on spous's education not language...

i would be more than happy if you can prove me wrong....


rose, check cic please ..
 

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tomsware said:
hei ! cool, it seems you dont know that new FSW rules has been officially published on April 18th !

please go to cic website and you will find adaptability is still based on spous's education not language...

i would be more than happy if you can prove me wrong....


rose, check cic please ..
But the assessment test is outdated toms. Its clearly evident from what coolguy pasted.

On April 18th did they publish the new one? Can you please post the link?
 

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its your choice dear......i don't need to prove myself ( i am 100% sure)

The selection criteria is still not finalized.....many things on CIC is outdated

tomsware said:
hei ! cool, it seems you dont know that new FSW rules has been officially published on April 18th !

please go to cic website and you will find adaptability is still based on spous's education not language...

i would be more than happy if you can prove me wrong....


rose, check cic please ..