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Super Visa Case

Discussion in 'Visitors' started by K3n, Sep 24, 2018.

  1. Hi All,

    I am applying for my parents Super Visa. I have a couple of questions - which I believe will help others as well - that I did not see other applicants having asked:

    1) Purpose of Travel - Others
    The guideline is to provide either of:
    • Your flight ticket departing Canada,
    • Your travel itinerary (e.g. places you will visit or stay, such as hotel booking),
    • Proof of a medical appointment.
    My parents will be travelling just to visit me, for sightseeing and potentially for a marriage search as well. However, there will be no hotel bookings and no medical appointment. Further, the travel dates are not set so we have no plans on what to go see and when. Mind you also, they will most likely travel to U.S. first and then visit Canada from there.

    What can I provide in this case? What exactly is the difference between travel itinerary (for departure from Canada) vs an actual ticket? Travel Itinerary will expire in around 2 days. Also, they plan to travel in around May 2019.

    Also, since they will be visiting only for 1 month which my dad will show as his 'vacation leave' from work, would that play a negative role and the visa officers might reject the application and ask to submit a visit visa instead?

    I have purchased a house recently. Could this help? Can this be mentioned in any way? Will I have to provide additional documents to support this then? Please answer this one separately after answering the above.


    2) Medical Examination

    For medical insurance, the medical examination center has asked to provide 'Medical test reports regarding past or current medical status'. This is very ambiguous. I believe almost every parent or grand parent will have gone some surgery or is a patient of blood pressure, diabetes, hyper tension, vertigo, knee issues etc. What would they want to see? Or what exactly the Canadian Government and the Medical Insurance companies want to see as they would issue the insurance based on 'no pre-existing conditions', 'stable pre-existing conditions' and 'chronic illness' I believe.


    3) Invitation Letter
    Is it absolutely necessary that the invitation letter should be notarized in Canada? The requirement mentions 'Some visa offices may ask that a notary public notarize your letter.' Or can it be notarized in the parent's home country?

    Also, the requirement also asks for purpose and length of stay, again if I mention 1 month, would this become an issue and the visa officer might decline and ask to apply for a visit visa instead?


    4) Medical Insurance
    I was under the impression that medical insurance will have to be purchased for the full year and you can not get a refund in case the applicant's stay is for less than a year. However, recently on travelinsure.ca I was informed that we can get a refund in few cases including proportionate basis of stay. Is this correct? Also is there any catch in this? Will the insurance companies really refund per se 10 months of insurance premium if parents stay only for 2 months and leave without any explanation?

    Also, should we select $100,000 coverage or $200,000? What do most people take? The premium for $200,000 coverage is almost twice. However, I am aware that if God forbid something big happens, $100,000 is a very low amount.


    5) Pre-existing stable Conditions
    As per the insurance company's website, pre-existing condition is described as:
    ... a medical or physical condition, symptom, illness or disease, whether diagnosed or not, for which Treatment has been received or taken, or which exhibited symptoms, at any time preceding Your Effective Date and includes a medically recognized complication or Recurrence of a medical condition.

    If any applicant has diabetes, blood pressure, knee pain and takes medicines for these along with blood thinning medicine but has not had any hospital admittance in the past 365 days, would this still count as 'stable pre-existing conditions'? Also, is there a difference between 'pre-existing conditions' vs stable pre-existing conditions' for the purpose of travel insurance?


    6) Duration of Stay
    Last but not the least, I do not understand why this Super Visa was created when it allows the Parents and/or Grandparents to stay up to 10 years but for 2 years at a time. If the Canadian Government is okay with them staying for 2 years if they purchase adequate insurance, why do they want to see home ties and ask for 'return ticket from Canada'? If someone will return after a year, they might not purchase the ticket right now.

    On the other hand, if someone wants to make it easy to visit for 1-2 months each time and go back while also having insurance, they would prefer to apply for super visa but the visa officer might reject on the basis that if you are visiting for such a short duration, you should apply for visit visa instead.

    Further, the whole point of applying for Super Visa is that they can stay for up to 2 years at a time and most PGP would then apply for Family Class Sponsorship. But then this contradicts again as they want to know travel plans for the entire duration of stay.


    Sorry, I know this is too detailed but I think it will help a lot of people.

    Thanks a lot everyone in advance! :)
     
  2. #2 Bryanna, Sep 24, 2018 at 9:37 AM
    Last edited: Sep 24, 2018
    Phew! An unusually long post. I skimmed through your post and picked some questions. BTW most of the questions you asked have already been answered on this forum + on the IRCC site.


    Flight itinerary (provisional bookings, not paid) for will suffice.

    Your parents are applying way too ahead in advance if they intend to travel in May next year.


    IMO, it is a mistake to apply for super visas. We've seen one case just last week where super visa applicant parents were granted TRVs instead because they mentioned a stay of just one month.

    If your parents cannot stay for about a year at the minimum (ideally, at least two years on their super visa entry) then it's best to apply for TRVs.


    What will your parents do for your house? Hopefully, they won't help you in any way that will seem like "illegal work".


    Speak with your insurance company for this.


    If you're issuing the invitation letter then how can it be notarized outside Canada?

    Your parents can ask their local VFS/VAC if notarization is required.


    One month stay on a super visa? I've answered the possible visa outcome above.


    Again, refunds are possible. Speak to your insurer (Canadian one BTW).


    It would depend on a number of factors. It's your personal decision too.


    Again, do speak with your insurance company to understand the difference.

    To my knowledge, there's no such thing as 'stable pre-existing conditions'. For example, someone who takes blood thinners or medicines for diabetes would need to take it lifelong. And, a medical emergency can happen anytime regardless of whether or not the condition was stable/not critical in the last X years. The human body is unpredictable!


    This is incorrect. A super visa is not intended as a replacement to a PGP PR. A super visa has/continues to remain a temporary resident visa for visitors.

    As per recent updates on the IRCC site, super visa parents can stay for up to 2 years on the initial super visa entry. Of course, the authorized length of stay depends on the immigration officers they meet at the POE each time. If it seems like they are violating their visitor conditions, their visit could be restricted or even denied entry
     
  3. Hello there,
    I am planning to apply for super visa for my parents. please help me with the procedure, list of the docs that I need to prepare from my side, what are the docs we need from my parents side and how much I have to have in my bank acct to support them.
    thanks in advance and really appreciate your help.
     
  4. Hi Bryanna,

    Thanks a lot for responding to my questions. I hope you don't mind my counter questions on your responses.


    I tried searching but couldn't find them. Since you are an old member and have responded to people, you have better knowledge of it.

    My parents already received their U.S. visa and will travel around the same time i.e. Apr - May next year. We can not risk applying then and having the passports stuck with the Canadian Immigration office. You mentioned provisional booking, again I need clarification of this. Provisional, not paid for, booking does not last more than 24-72 hours I believe. So what is the point in those? It will expire before IRCC even starts looking at the application. Anyone can go on an airline's website and do a provisional booking. What legitimacy does it hold for IRCC?


    I am not sure how would house be related to any illegal work? I was asking more for direction for e.g. can we say they will help me to get settled in, buy furniture and inaugurate it?


    I am currently in my home Country visiting my parents hence I was wondering if I can just get it notarized here.

    That is what I need to know. What kind of factors?


    I came across 2-3 super visa insurance websites have this terminology. See this link for e.g.:
    https://www.bestquotetravelinsurance.ca/visitors-to-canada-insurance

    I agree and to add to it, anything can happen even if you did not have it previously. Hence why my question on the pre-existing conditions itself.

    I still find it contradictory. What is the IRCC expecting parents specifically to do? It seems like they want parents to have one foot out the door only. How can parents stay for 2 years and then go back home? Either they will wind up or they won't at all. Who can leave a house, other immediate family members, a job and pension (if applicable) for such an extended time and then return back?

    It is well known that super visa is seen as a way towards PGP Family Sponsorship which takes 20-24 months to process while super visa allows them to stay for 24 months so this is a perfect way to obtain a PR for parents.

    From my above point, first of all, I don't understand how it is possible to provide a return itinerary 2 years into the future which I don't think is possible to book. Second, it will expire within 24-72 hours. Third, how can parents support 'purpose of travel' for 2 years? What would they show they will do for an entire 2 years and still satisfy the visa officer that they will go back at the end of 2 years while having an existing job? On the other hand, how will it be possible for a parent having an existing job to actually stay for 2 years? Very rarely any employer give a 2 year unpaid leave. As I mentioned above, this is one foot out the door.


    Thank you.
     
  5. It does not work this way. Some visa offices have restrictions on how far in advance one can apply.

    You need to check the estimated processing time for your parents' local visa office (in-Canada processing time are not applicable) + factor in a few weeks more/maybe 1-2 months extra before applying.


    Don't worry about the legitimacy angle. This is a normal practice. There are absolutely no assurances that visas will be granted and/or visas will be granted before the intended flight dates. Booking/Paying for plane tickets is unwise.

    IRCC does not make any decisions based on an applicant's travel plans and/or will not hold the provisional tickets against the applicant.


    Illegal work = Helping you to paint, renovate the place, etc


    Do check with the Canadian insurance company.


    An insurance company is best qualified to answer any and all of your questions on this topic.


    There are many parents who stay for up to 2 years without worrying about their homes, pensions, and family members in their home countries.


    A super visa is NOT part of the route to a PGP PR. Hopefully, you are aware that PGP PR is now based on a lottery selection.


    Like I mentioned in my previous post, if your parents are unable to stay for at least 1 year (ideally close to 2 years) on a super visa entry then it is best to apply for TRVs instead. It is a mistake to apply for super visas if they only intend to stay for one month
     
  6. Thanks Bryanna. Your answers have helped a lot. We have decided to actually apply in October and my parents might travel in February or otherwise delay traveling but still provide documentation showing willingness to travel around February. As you mentioned, using the processing time + 1-2 months extra so that is around 4.5 months (79 + 61 days).

    I am just wondering a few things for the above scenario:

    1) You mentioned that provisional itinerary is accepted.I am guessing not all airlines provide this option. But for those who do, don't these last between 24-72 hours normally? If so, the itinerary will expire before the application is even reviewed. Is this normal and accepted?

    2) Can we show travel itinerary for more than 6 months only? As if we show that my parents plan on staying for less than 6 months then they might issue a TRV instead but if the plan is for more than 6 months then that should increase the chances. Also I am asking this from the perspective of flight itinerary as well which can be stretched to a maximum of 1 year from today's date hence since we are factoring in the fact that it will take 4.5 months from now to travel, add 6 months of stay, would it be safe to show a return date of 10 months from the time of submitting the application?

    3) Does getting the insurance plan on a monthly basis reduce the chances of getting approved or show lack of seriousness on part of the applicant?

    4) As my dad works on a contract basis, how can he prove his stay for 1 year? He will not get a year's vacation even unpaid. Will showing a job not be a requirement for home ties but then this would contradict with showing that he will stay in Canada for a year. Is the only option for him to show that he has been granted a year of unpaid vacation? What are some good examples of showing purpose of travel other than providing a provisional travel itinerary? I believe only this booking will not suffice is that correct?

    5) I am aware that I need to prove earning above LICO which I have. But will I also have to provide sufficient funds in my bank account? If so, would having a mortgage create an issue for this? I recently got a mortgage so I have dumped all my savings in it.

    6) As I mentioned they have changed their plan to visit in February but if they only stay for a month only and then go back to their home Country and then next time they visit again, are there high chances that they might be denied entry at the POE by the immigration officer as they did not stay for the period of time as required for super visa and it defies the purpose of the super visa being granted?

    7) Is there a specific time frame within which the initial entry needs to be made? Can this vary? And if so, generally what is the range of time frame? If they do get the super visa and they travel in April, again would this be an issue?


    P.s. no my parents will in no way help with any of those 'illegal things' with the house. Also, yes I am aware that PGP Family Sponsorship is now based on lottery selection.

    Thank you.
     

  7. I will speak to what I can based on my experience inviting my in laws. We did not have any tickets booked, provisional or otherwise. We just had explanation of purpose of visit which is to visit their children. We requested to stay for about a year, because like Bryanna said they might just give a regular trv. Once it was approved they only came on a one way ticket, they still don't have a return ticket booked because not sure when they want to go back.

    Insurance was for $100,000 for the year paid up front. It has to be one year coverage I don't think it can be month to month for super visa. We went with a higher deductible because then the cost was lower, and like you said god forbid we need it then at that point paying the deductible wont be our major concern. If they go back sooner than the year our insurance will be refunded on a prorated basis less admin costs, as long as there have been no claims made on it.

    I submitted my tax notice of assessment and available bank balances....including whats on credit cards etc too. Super visa will focus more on your finances vs your parents. But theirs is important too.

    Peoples plans change all the time. Something could come up that you need to attend to at home, or you might not like it in Canada and be homesick....they wont hold that against you. If you say you want to stay for two years and get two years at point of entry you are not obligated to stay for that.
     

  8. Thank you for giving an overview of your case. It is a bit surprising that your in laws received their super visa considering majority of the VIP members and people speaking from their experiences seems like provisional airfare booking is required which is also listed on the checklist. Further, I also read that going for a higher deductible reduces the chances of getting approved for visa as it seems like you are not willing to pay or support.

    Also, I am not sure how it started off in the start, but now some insurance companies allow month-to-month payment for super visa insurance.

    Question for you. Did you send them an invitation letter? What did you write on it (key points)? How detailed? And did you get it notarized? Further, did your in laws submit a reason for travel document explaining the reason, nature and duration of their visit? How would we describe what the parents will do for a whole year?
     
  9. I think you may be confused none of the senior member would encourage booking any tickets before visa is issued. You don't need provisional tickets. You can include a printout of you preferred travel times based on the airline's website or general travel site. You are required to show proof of the 1 year of coverage be cause many would stop paying if it was a month to month scenario. You should choose a deductible based on your savings. Can you afford the whole deductible if your parent is hospitalized?
     
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  10. Deductible was $1000.....if something serious happened we would obviously pay that
    Also why would you buy tickets before the Visa is approved? What if you get denied or it’s not approved until after your travel date?
     
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  11. $1000 deductible is pretty reasonable in the grand scheme of things.
     
  12. Hi @canuck78 and @Jets13 ,

    Thanks for the responses guys. But I am mentioning provisional booking. Not an actual ticket purchase. Which is what was suggested by Bryanna as well.

    By the way, @canuck78 , can you please add your comments to my post above on Sep 25, 2018 at 11:18 PM ? I really need the answers to those before I can go and apply and it's been almost a month since someone responded to those.

    Thanks
    Ken
     
  13. There is no post at that time. Can you just ask the question again
     
  14. Hi @canuck78 ,

    Please see below:

    Sep 25, 2018 at 11:18 PM
    Thanks Bryanna. Your answers have helped a lot. We have decided to actually apply in October and my parents might travel in February or otherwise delay traveling but still provide documentation showing willingness to travel around February. As you mentioned, using the processing time + 1-2 months extra so that is around 4.5 months (79 + 61 days).

    I am just wondering a few things for the above scenario:

    1) You mentioned that provisional itinerary is accepted.I am guessing not all airlines provide this option. But for those who do, don't these last between 24-72 hours normally? If so, the itinerary will expire before the application is even reviewed. Is this normal and accepted?

    2) Can we show travel itinerary for more than 6 months only? As if we show that my parents plan on staying for less than 6 months then they might issue a TRV instead but if the plan is for more than 6 months then that should increase the chances. Also I am asking this from the perspective of flight itinerary as well which can be stretched to a maximum of 1 year from today's date hence since we are factoring in the fact that it will take 4.5 months from now to travel, add 6 months of stay, would it be safe to show a return date of 10 months from the time of submitting the application?

    3) Does getting the insurance plan on a monthly basis reduce the chances of getting approved or show lack of seriousness on part of the applicant?

    4) As my dad works on a contract basis, how can he prove his stay for 1 year? He will not get a year's vacation even unpaid. Will showing a job not be a requirement for home ties but then this would contradict with showing that he will stay in Canada for a year. Is the only option for him to show that he has been granted a year of unpaid vacation? What are some good examples of showing purpose of travel other than providing a provisional travel itinerary? I believe only this booking will not suffice is that correct?

    5) I am aware that I need to prove earning above LICO which I have. But will I also have to provide sufficient funds in my bank account? If so, would having a mortgage create an issue for this? I recently got a mortgage so I have dumped all my savings in it.

    6) As I mentioned they have changed their plan to visit in February but if they only stay for a month only and then go back to their home Country and then next time they visit again, are there high chances that they might be denied entry at the POE by the immigration officer as they did not stay for the period of time as required for super visa and it defies the purpose of the super visa being granted?

    7) Is there a specific time frame within which the initial entry needs to be made? Can this vary? And if so, generally what is the range of time frame? If they do get the super visa and they travel in April, again would this be an issue?


    P.s. no my parents will in no way help with any of those 'illegal things' with the house. Also, yes I am aware that PGP Family Sponsorship is now based on lottery selection.

    Thank you.
     
  15. Hi @canuck78 it's been more than a month. Would appreciate if you can respond to my message above.

    Thank you
     

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