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Reasons for Rejection

flyflysophia11

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guys i urgently need advice on my situation.

some of you may know my app was cancelled as incomplete in Jan and i created a new profile and got the nomination transferred. now my new profile is all good to go.

BUT two days ago, the old cancelled profile got RE-OPENED by IRCC and it requests me to place the payment in 7 days as my previous payment was refunded after they cancelled the app.

now what should i do?? this is such a rare situation. please do let me know any opinions or advice you may have. I appreciate it.
 

maged_mmh

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Nov 27, 2015
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11-2016
AOR Received.
6-12-2016
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16-12-2016
skdubai said:
I did that.. just took my ID for the exam and not my passport. No problem so far..
me too, no reference for my passport on my TRF
 

maged_mmh

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6-12-2016
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16-12-2016
sutyfornow said:
Is there a problem with that?
so far so good, 62 days post eAPR
 

kamy

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sutyfornow said:
Is there a problem with that?
ID for IELTS is British Council/IDP requirement based on country of test. It has no implication on your CIC application, don't mix them and get confused.
 

skdubai

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rajkamalmohanram said:
Did you take it in India? Because in India, Original PP is mandatory for IELTS AFAIK.
Nope.. in UAE. I had to let them know in advance which ID I would bring and bring the same one. I chose my ID card (kind of like aadhar card)..
 

ashwani.m

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Feb 5, 2017
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asianwanderer said:
sorry for the irrelevant post...

my express entry profile is frozen after receiving ITA - can you please share how does your express entry profile look like after receiving an ITA?

in my express entry profile, only application/profile status has details as 'OPEN', all other fields are empty...

when I click the 'view submitted applications' all forms have 'TRANSMITTED' status except for Study and Languages which has 'IN PROGRESS' status, and the option is only 'VIEW FORM' for all forms --- why is that? was there any problem in transmitting my details to my PR application?

thanks for your responses in advance fellow applicants :)
When you'll open the page, where status of application is ITA, there will be 2 option only. either "Continue" or "Reject" to reject the ITA.. When you'll click continue, it will take you to set of sections where some of them like Work and education will be complete rest you will have to complete it.. you EE profile will be below this as there 2 status.. upper one is the latest one.
 

ashwani.m

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ajnj2730 said:
Hi All,

I have a query regarding work experience.
CIC's requirement is that to have Jobs and Duties , number of hours worked should mentioned on Reference letter.
However, I don't have that on company's letterhead.
I only have service certificate of previous companies, offer letter of previous companies, pay slips, form16, tax document, etc. In India, IT companies do not provide jobs and duties on your service certificate.
So what should I do. Shall I get the jobs and duties on a plain paper and get it signed with my previous manager with his Employee card xerox and get it notarised.
Will that work? What should be the approach here?
Writing on plain paper may not work as it is clearly mentioned to get the LOR on company letter head.
 

rajkamalmohanram

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ajnj2730 said:
Hi All,

I have a query regarding work experience.
CIC's requirement is that to have Jobs and Duties , number of hours worked should mentioned on Reference letter.
However, I don't have that on company's letterhead.
I only have service certificate of previous companies, offer letter of previous companies, pay slips, form16, tax document, etc. In India, IT companies do not provide jobs and duties on your service certificate.
So what should I do. Shall I get the jobs and duties on a plain paper and get it signed with my previous manager with his Employee card xerox and get it notarised.
Will that work? What should be the approach here?
Yes, you can do this AND get the letter notarized. Along with this letter, business/company ID card of your manager and all other supporting documentation to prove your employment.

Before that, you should also consider mailing your company requesting them to issue a letter on the letterhead. They might send out an e-mail saying they do not issue such letters. You can attach these along with the other documents as well.

Good luck!
 

rajkamalmohanram

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ashwani.m said:
Writing on plain paper may not work as it is clearly mentioned to get the LOR on company letter head.
Not all companies give roles and responsibilities on their letterhead. In fact, only a few companies issue such letters. As long as an immigration application is concerned, if you cannot get a document precisely in the format required, you can provide whatever you have and all relevant supporting documentation to prove your case.
 

vaibhav007us

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rajkamalmohanram said:
Yes, you can do this AND get the letter notarized. Along with this letter, business/company ID card of your manager and all other supporting documentation to prove your employment.

Before that, you should also consider mailing your company requesting them to issue a letter on the letterhead. They might send out an e-mail saying they do not issue such letters. You can attach these along with the other documents as well.

Good luck!
Hi, for work experience, I don't want to disclose in my office regarding my intentions of Canadian PR so they would just issue a normal letter that I have been employed with them for 9 years and currently my level is ____. With this letter, if I attach my employment contracts, pay slips, yearly appraisal letters, CTC sheet and a self affidavit (duly notarized) regarding my roles and responsibilities, would that suffice.

I cant take a letter from my supervisor as I myself is at a Director level...
 

rajkamalmohanram

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Re-posting this for informational purpose (from the Jan thread) --->


Guys, someone posted this on a whatsapp group and I found it quite useful, so here it is (apologies if this has already been posted in the forum, but I've not seen it):

Credit should, of course, go to the author (Roxanne Jessome) but also to Diaa E.S. from Jan 2017 AOR What'sApp group (who posted it and brought it to my attention).

In summary the mains points I found are:
- There is a big difference between a cancelled application (which happens before the RFPR usually due to missing docs) and a refused/rejected application (after RFPR)
- Cancelled you get all your money back where as refused you only get RFPR back
- Cancelled means you probably forgot something, but it doesn't not mean you ONLY forgot what they have mentioned (read the article for more details)
- Refused means you didn't forget anything, but there is something fundamentally wrong with your application that will need to be corrected (or fixed) before you can reapply and be prepared for red flags when you do reapply as you've been refused once already.

Important takeaway is that for those unlucky enough to have a application cancelled do not have to say yes to the stats questions asking about ever been refused a visa form IRCC or anywhere else, but those unfortunate enough to have been refused do!

Express Entry application CANCELLED vs. REFUSED
By Roxanne Jessome, RCIC
roxanne@joincanada.com

I was writing a reply to a post and thought that it might be good to dedicate a whole article to this topic as I see it a lot in my practice.

There's a HUGE difference between a CANCELLATION and a REFUSAL in an Express Entry application. A Cancellation means you didn't provide all the necessary documents required to process your PR application and they cannot proceed. This happens A LOT! If your application is cancelled, it's like it never actually existed. You get all your money back and you can create a new profile and go back into the EE pool. If you're invited again, don't miss the same stuff! The most common reasons I see for cancellations are where applicants don’t provide police clearance certificates from all the countries they have lived in for 6 months or more since the age of 18. Because all of the forms in an EE application (Address History, Personal History, Travel History) ask for the last 10 years of information, many applicants also mistakenly believe that they only need to provide police certificates for countries they have lived in within the past 10 years. WRONG! It’s since the age of 18. Also, in early 2016, CIC changed the police certificate requirement. They used to require these police certificates only if you lived for 6 months in a row in a country. Not anymore! Now they want police certificates for every country you have been in for a cumulative total of 6 months. For example, you are 30 years old and have only “lived” in Ireland and Canada. But every year since the age of 18 you have travelled to the United States to visit your granny for 3 weeks. You never “lived” in the US as these were all holidays. However, when added together, you were in the US for 3 weeks in each of the last 12 years. 3 x 12 = 36 weeks which is more than 6 months. You need a US police certificate. By the way, 6 months = 26 weeks or 182 days. You need to add them up and go back to the age of 18.

Many Irish have also spent time in Australia. The CIC website specifically states that if you lived in the states of Queensland and/or Victoria, you also need to provide Traffic History reports from those states. Also, be sure that you have obtain the correct Australian police certificate. Your Australian police certificate must be the STANDARD DISCLOSURE, not the COMPLETE DISCLOSURE. I’ve seen a few people cancelled because they got the wrong certificate. I’d strongly recommend that every applicant check the CIC webpage for police certificate and read EVERYTHING on the page to make sure they are following the correct procedures for that country.

The second most common reason I see for CANCELLATION of an application is not including a copy of your education diploma or transcripts (one or the other) with your Education Credential Assessment (WES, ICAS, IQAS, etc.). When it comes to proof of Education, you must provide BOTH the ECA report and a copy of your diploma or your transcript that says you got the degree or diploma. You don’t need both the diploma and transcript. Just one will do but if you use the transcript, make sure it also says that you earned a degree or diploma. AND if your diploma is not in English or French (and your transcripts are also not in English or French), get the diploma translated by a certified translator and include the certified translation as well. There are still many Canadian, American, Irish and British colleges and universities that issue diplomas in Latin. Watch out for that.

I also want to add that when an application is cancelled, no further review is done on the application. Basically, the officer STOPS looking at the application as soon as they come to a reason to cancel it. There could be more!! There may even be a reason for refusal. If your application was cancelled as incomplete, when you apply again don’t make the mistake of thinking that now that you provided the missing information everything will be fine. They stopped reviewing the application as soon as they came to the reason for cancellation. The officer did NOT look at anything else.

A REFUSAL is much more serious than a cancellation and means that there was something fundamentally wrong with your application. You either did not PROVE that you meet the program requirements OR you are inadmissible to Canada. An officer has reviewed your application and determined that:

1. You are not eligible in the Class (FSW, CEC, FST) that you were invited to apply in; or
2. You did not meet the minimum points required on the day you were invited to apply; or
3. You are inadmissible to Canada due to criminality, heath reasons, security, misrepresentation, etc.

If your application was refused, you will not get the Application for PR fees back. You will be refunded the Right of PR fees if you paid them upfront. A refusal does not necessarily mean that you cannot apply again but it depends on the reasons for refusal. I’ve seen all kinds of reasons but the majority are for providing inadequate employment verification letters/documents. Any work you’ve claimed as “qualifying work” and/or work that earned you CRS points must have adequate employment verification letters to prove it. This can be quite difficult for many reasons. Perhaps the company you worked for is no longer in business. Or maybe you left on bad terms and the employer is not cooperating. Most often employers think these letters are “reference” letters and refuse to list the duties you performed in the letter. In my practice, we’ve developed ways around all of these issues BUT it is unique to each situation. The bottom line when it comes to skilled work is that if you can’t prove it, then you can’t claim it as qualifying work or work that will earn you points. Keep it out of the Work History section of your profile/application. And if you can get these letters, be sure that all the vital information is contained in them. I was once hired to re-apply for an applicant that had been refused when she applied on her own and the only reason she was refused was because her employment letter was missing one vital piece of information! But she was so stressed and rattled by the refusal, she hired me to re-do the application for her as she just didn’t want to make any other mistakes. She’s a permanent resident now so it all worked out but it makes me really sad when I see refusals like this that could have been easily avoided.

The second most common reason I see for refusals is inadmissibility due to criminality. And I’ve got to be frank about this when I say that if there are issues with criminality in your past, you need to hire experienced legal counsel to help you. Criminality is VERY complex and 99% of applicants cannot handle this themselves. Even immigration consultants and lawyers who are not experienced in criminality should not handle these cases. I had another lovely Irish client who was refused due to criminal inadmissibility. His first application was prepared by an immigration consultant but that consultant had no experience with criminality and didn’t understand what needed to be done. Happily, we successfully obtained PR for this client when the criminal matter was handled correctly. But this client could have been a permanent resident 1 year earlier if their first application had been handled by experienced counsel! And I don’t want to beat up the consultant here either as they had thought they had done everything correctly and they were devastated by the refusal. However, when it comes to inadmissibility issues, you want someone who KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE DOING. That takes years of practical experience. That was a very important lesson for that consultant and I’m sure they’ll never forget it.

One final thing to note is that CIC makes mistakes too!! Last year, I helped several clients get PR refusals overturned and approved because the officer made a mistake in evaluating the application. It doesn’t happen often but it DOES happen!! If you are refused, make sure the reasons for refusal are correct.

I didn’t mean for this post to be so long! However, there are a LOT of pitfalls in Canadian immigration and most of them could be easily avoided. If you want to make sure that you are not making any mistakes in your application, READ AND RESEARCH.But trust me when I tell you that decline an ITA is 1000 times better than being refused! While a cancellation can often be overcome easily, refusals need to be avoided at all costs if possible. Good luck everyone!
Original Post -->

http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/aor-in-january-2017-connect-here-t467258.0.html;msg5761831#msg5761831

Thanks to g126 who shared this on the forum. The post is quite informative.
 

rajkamalmohanram

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vaibhav007us said:
Hi, for work experience, I don't want to disclose in my office regarding my intentions of Canadian PR so they would just issue a normal letter that I have been employed with them for 9 years and currently my level is ____. With this letter, if I attach my employment contracts, pay slips, yearly appraisal letters, CTC sheet and a self affidavit (duly notarized) regarding my roles and responsibilities, would that suffice.

I cant take a letter from my supervisor as I myself is at a Director level...
Self-declared duties should be a last resort. You can have a colleague (someone who is in the same hierarchy as you, maybe?) to issue the letter with roles? IRCC might not accept the reason you are stating ("I don't want to disclose in my office regarding my intentions of Canadian PR") as a valid one for not having a letter from the company.
 

ashwani.m

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Hi all. I have seen posts and discussions where application got rejected due to wrong NOC or NOC mismatch between job responsibilities and NOC given in form. I have a strange query.

My wife is into Training department and takes training sessions of retail staff including managers regarding Functional and behavioral aspects. In one company, this training department was under HR only while in the second company, she reported to business team. Now problem is that there is no specific NOC for training.

She has entered 1121 as NOC as in 1121 (http://www23.statcan.gc.ca/imdb/p3VD.pl?Function=getVD&TVD=122372&CVD=122376&CPV=1121&CST=01012011&CLV=4&MLV=4), under main duties training and career development is mentioned while "Exclusion" header says "Training officer" type role should go to 4021 NOC.

But 4021 NOC (http://www23.statcan.gc.ca/imdb/p3VD.pl?Function=getVD&TVD=122372&CVD=122376&CPV=4021&CST=01012011&CLV=4&MLV=4) is majorly related with students, colleges and teaching related duties not professional trainers.

Now we are confused which NOC to choose for training and development department which includes taking training sessions, content development etc?
 

vaibhav007us

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rajkamalmohanram said:
Self-declared duties should be a last resort. You can have a colleague (someone who is in the same hierarchy as you, maybe?) to issue the letter with roles? IRCC might not accept the reason you are stating ("I don't want to disclose in my office regarding my intentions of Canadian PR") as a valid one for not having a letter from the company.
Thanks, but this is the actual position, what should I do? Is there a way out?