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Hello!

I'm hoping to get some clarity and understanding of my situation as I look to return to Canada. I plan to speak to an immigration lawyer as soon as I land, but any thoughts from the community would be really appreciated.
  • I moved to Canada in 2015.
  • I became a permanent resident in 2019.
  • I had to return to the UK for personal reasons in 2020.
  • My PR card expired in 2024.
  • As of 2025, I can return to Canada and have a job offer.
  • I applied for a PRTD under H&C grounds to return to Canada, as I no longer meet the RO.
  • I was granted an R-1 PRTD (multiple entry, 12-month expiry).
  • I applied for GCMS notes to see if PRTD was granted on H&C grounds.
  • Notes confirm that I was given the PRTD due to H&C eligibility.
First question: Was a mistake made in granting an R-1 PRTD (normally, an R-1C is granted for H&C cases)? And if so, should I reach out to the embassy?

Second question: An R-1C would have given me the green light to renew my PR card as soon as I return to Canada. However, if I enter Canada with an R-1 PRTD should I be safe to apply to renew my PR card under the same H&C grounds given that I can see in my file that the H&C case was successful?

Cheers!
 
First question: Was a mistake made in granting an R-1 PRTD (normally, an R-1C is granted for H&C cases)? And if so, should I reach out to the embassy?

Second question: An R-1C would have given me the green light to renew my PR card as soon as I return to Canada. However, if I enter Canada with an R-1 PRTD should I be safe to apply to renew my PR card under the same H&C grounds given that I can see in my file that the H&C case was successful?

I don't think it is worthwhile to reach out to the embassy to correct this. All here just in my opinion.

Apply for PR card renewal when back in Canada. They will check the file to see on what basis your PRTD was granted. It may take a while to get the card renewed, but there should be little risk.

In the meantime you can still work with your SIN from before. You may face issues getting a new health card, depending on province, but keep at it.
 
I'm hoping to get some clarity and understanding of my situation as I look to return to Canada. I plan to speak to an immigration lawyer as soon as I land . . .

Absolutely a good idea to get assistance from an immigration lawyer.

The sooner you are back in Canada to stay, and you stay, the better.

No time to explain at length, but this is a scenario in which it may be prudent to follow the conventional wisdom and wait to apply for a PR card when the RO is met based on days in Canada within the last five years.

Or at least wait until getting well settled into a life and into work IN Canada before applying, the longer IN Canada the safer.

It might be safe, but if a PR card application is made shortly after returning here, the PR card application should again specifically include the information and documentation that will support H&C relief.

Reminder: unless and until you have been present in Canada 730 days within the preceding five years, you are NOT in compliance with the RO. That is grounds for determining inadmissibility UNLESS there are sufficient H&C factors to warrant allowing you to keep PR status. Since you have a positive decision of this sort, that greatly reduces the risk of a different outcome when your RO compliance is again reviewed . . . that is, as long as you are here and staying, it has already been determined the H&C case is such you should be allowed to keep your PR status.
 
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Thank you both for your replies. Unfortunately, I won't be able to wait the full two years to meet my RO before applying for renewal as I will likely need to return occasionally to the UK (for the same H&C reasons that required me to leave in the first place). This should be no more than twice a year (for a week or two), but I won't be able to stay in Canada for two or two full years without leaving after my arrival.

It seems like the best course of action is to get settled for a few months, speak to an immigration lawyer, and then apply for renewal with my same H&C case.
 
Unfortunately, I won't be able to wait the full two years to meet my RO before applying for renewal as I will likely need to return occasionally to the UK (for the same H&C reasons that required me to leave in the first place). This should be no more than twice a year (for a week or two), but I won't be able to stay in Canada for two or two full years without leaving after my arrival.

It seems like the best course of action is to get settled for a few months, speak to an immigration lawyer, and then apply for renewal with my same H&C case.

It appears you have a good grasp of the key considerations, which should help you make decisions involving some degree of risk-assessment.

So this is largely a reminder.

The key factors that will have the most influence if and when your RO compliance is being calculated and you are short (that is, in breach, having fewer than 730 days IN Canada within the previous five years as of the date of the RO compliance calculation), are:
  • current presence and settlement IN Canada; the more clearly your current in-fact-residence in Canada is established, the better
  • the arithmetic -- how many days IN Canada within the previous five years; the more IN Canada, the fewer outside Canada, the better
So, obviously, the sooner you are actually HERE, that is, IN Canada, and have an established residence here, and especially if you have a job here in Canada, the safer it will be to engage in a transaction which could involve an assessment of your RO compliance. Including making an application for a new PR card.

Given the extent of your presence here within the last five years (which I understand based on posts in the "Moving Back to Canada but . . . " thread to be at least more than 300 days, as it was 600 days as of mid-February), and as long as you are actually settled and employed here, given the favourable decision in your PR TD application there should be a relatively low or perhaps even a very low risk a PR card application (that includes information supporting H&C relief) will trigger a 44(1) Report . . . . unless you leave Canada for an extended period of time while that application is still pending.

I anticipate that most competent lawyers will recommend waiting to apply for a new PR card, waiting until you are in RO compliance (based on at least 730 days credit for days in Canada within the previous five years; which is something I further address in the topic titled "Help with PR Card Renewal" Clarification Needed for Sections 3.2 and 3.4 of IMM 5444"), but some may have a more practical understanding and approach that recognizes the range of risks and offer advice accordingly. Be sure to get advice based on a review of YOUR particular facts in detail, not just a free or cursory consultation.

Given the compelling need to travel outside Canada before staying here long enough to be in RO compliance, you may need to make it clear to the lawyer (or lawyers) you consult with that you specifically need help deciding how to best navigate the situation recognizing this. That is, that you understand that as long as you are not yet in RO compliance, the safe approach is to avoid engaging in any transaction that could involve a RO compliance calculation, including a PR card application, BUT that is not possible given your need to travel.

In effect you are looking for options that have a lower risk.

If you get here (Canada) SOON, and establish a residence here, and begin a job here, within a couple months after settling here the risk of a problem in making a PR card application should be relatively low. But again, be sure to include information in the application supporting H&C relief.

Caveat/Caution:

Intentions, even well-established plans, have a tendency to get blown aside in real life. You have already been there a couple times, looking back at your posts in February in particular. You say, now, your future travel needs will be no more than twice a year, and only be for a week or two. That should not have a big impact on the extent of risk there is to your PR status.

Just as the more you are IN Canada before there is an assessment/calculation of your RO compliance the better your odds, the more you are outside Canada the bigger the risk there is of a RO compliance problem.
 
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Thank you dpenabill for your insights - it's all really helpful and gives me a good idea of the journey ahead. I'll be sure to post an update on my situation next year once I'm settled.
 
I returned to Canada with my PRTD (R1) with no issues at the end of January.

I applied for a PR card renewal under the same H&C grounds (not meeting RO) after a couple of months, once I had found an apartment and settled into my new job. The application was successful, and I received my new PR card after about 10 days.

There was a risk, as mentioned above, about requesting the PR card renewal before meeting my residency obligations (which would have taken two years), but I found it surprisingly difficult to function without a valid PR card after I landed. Most government departments didn't acknowledge/accept the PRTD and wanted to see a valid PR card. Because of this, I was unable to reactivate my dormant SIN and also unable to sign up for MSP.
 
I returned to Canada with my PRTD (R1) with no issues at the end of January.

I applied for a PR card renewal under the same H&C grounds (not meeting RO) after a couple of months, once I had found an apartment and settled into my new job. The application was successful, and I received my new PR card after about 10 days.

There was a risk, as mentioned above, about requesting the PR card renewal before meeting my residency obligations (which would have taken two years), but I found it surprisingly difficult to function without a valid PR card after I landed. Most government departments didn't acknowledge/accept the PRTD and wanted to see a valid PR card. Because of this, I was unable to reactivate my dormant SIN and also unable to sign up for MSP.
Thank you so much.
 
I returned to Canada with my PRTD (R1) with no issues at the end of January.

I applied for a PR card renewal under the same H&C grounds (not meeting RO) after a couple of months, once I had found an apartment and settled into my new job. The application was successful, and I received my new PR card after about 10 days.

There was a risk, as mentioned above, about requesting the PR card renewal before meeting my residency obligations (which would have taken two years), but I found it surprisingly difficult to function without a valid PR card after I landed. Most government departments didn't acknowledge/accept the PRTD and wanted to see a valid PR card. Because of this, I was unable to reactivate my dormant SIN and also unable to sign up for MSP.
This is new information. I did not know SIN can become dormant. Can I use a dormant SIN to apply and work at job? Do all provinces require SIN re-activation before working at jobs? Also, what is MSP?
Thank you.
 
This is new information. I did not know SIN can become dormant. Can I use a dormant SIN to apply and work at job? Do all provinces require SIN re-activation before working at jobs? Also, what is MSP?
Thank you.

MSP is provincial healthcare in BC. It is up to CRA (federal) whether your SIN# is dormant because you notified IRCac when you left Canada as required or over time if it wasn’t in use.
 
This is new information. I did not know SIN can become dormant. Can I use a dormant SIN to apply and work at job? Do all provinces require SIN re-activation before working at jobs? Also, what is MSP?
Thank you.
Yes, you can work under a dormant SIN. You may not have access to the file and employer may get questions, but perfectly legal - it is (supposedly) mainly a check-identity flag and used to prevent fraud, eg someone claiming benefits under another's name.
 
I was told a permanent SIN can go dormant after five years of inactivity (so mine might have never become dormant as I was out of the country for just over four years). The issue was that Service Canada wouldn't let me do anything with my file without a valid Permanent Resident card.

My employer informed me that I could work and be paid with a dormant SIN, but it might be problematic if it remains dormant when I attempt to file any future tax returns. To the best of my knowledge, it won't reactivate automatically, it requires you to go to a Service Canada office and have an agent do it for you.