PR Card successfully Renewed - H&C grounds / Not meeting RO

[SuperMarco]

That's definitely one scenario that should be avoided, but from OP's earlier posts I think the concern from OP is more with the risk of getting a section 44(1) report after getting PRTD approved on H&C, landing in Canada, and then applying for a PR card right away while actually starting the process of getting settled in and living in Canada.... (see e.g. https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-i...-after-approval-of-prtd.772702/#post-10154075 for the theoretical example of a PRTD applied for with H&C, and being approved but without the RC-1 code: edit: you point out a similar risk in https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-i...or-re-apply-for-pr-card.872869/#post-11074543 ).

I understand now why OP was interested before in doing things like renewing a DL or health card while overseas... because by the time OP is ready to move back, all such IDs would have long expired, so without the ability to safely apply for a PR card for two years, OP might have a hard time coming up with acceptable IDs for different and various everyday life situations.. (though I guess that most non government uses would be happy with just the foreign passport or FP + PRTD, along with one or two pieces of mail as proof of address.)

Excellent summary. Thanks a lot.
- from your first link i understand that if PRTD is coded RC-1, then renewing the PR card once landed is doable without serious fear otherwise best wait to meet the min nb of days.
- from your last point, exact, renewing DL while abroad (not possible) was an option the time to wait for PR card renew.

 

[abff08f4813c]

i found weird that the same administration say yes for PRTD and no for PR card. I understand of course .. that if you land again with PRTD and go back before receiving the PR card, this is a [logical] consequence.

Yes, I too find that weird that (as per https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-i...ired-need-pr-card-for-msp.714641/post-9076721 ) being even a few days short of 730 may put your PR at risk, even after you'd already been approved for a PRTD. Now, the other post I linked to earlier from dpenabill goes into great detail explaining why the current system is this way (in short, it's possible that the officer handling the PRTD choses to essentially "wave you thru" the same way a CBSA officer at the land border can chose to do for those who fail to meet RO)...

And I don't think that's unreasonable for a case like someone landing on a PRTD just to renew a PR card, then leaving right away and not returning... but for someone who's just landed and is actively trying to settle for good, that's different.

The other issue here is that a valid PRTD isn't a perfect replacement for a valid PR card inside of Canada itself. See the first post of the same thread, https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-i...-pr-card-expired-need-pr-card-for-msp.714641/ , where that OP can't get MSP (healthcare in BC for those unfamiliar). A valid PRTD or recently expired PR card didn't seem to help, only a valid (unexpired) PR card was accepted.

This is indeed quite weird. If either one of these were not true then there's not really be an issue. To restate, if A) holding a valid PRTD at the time of application for a PR card "exempted" one from the RO as long as one didn't leave Canada while the application was pending, or B) a valid unexpired PRTD was required by law to be accepted everywhere a valid PR card could be used, then there'd not be much of a problem for PR returnees who failed to meet RO but managed to return to Canada.

I think B) might actually be harder to fully address because things like MSP or driver's licenses are decided by the province. So one would have to convince every province separately in order to get this changed everywhere.

(I can also see an argument like this - if a PR returnee has been gone from Canada for so many years, they likely haven't been paying taxes into healthcare, so why should they get a freebie? An appropriate waiting period makes sense here, but two years / 730 days seems rather quite too long.)

It's not the only thing I find weird about PR status in Canada (why is Canada so strict with PR cards when fly, when it's easy to just allow issuing ETAs in the passport for any PR holder to allow them to fly back home? or why is Canada the only country in the world to strip PR from former refugees for reavailment?) but it's definitely a doozy.

 

[armoured]

In fact, i found weird that the same administration say yes for PRTD and no for PR card. I understand of course what you said previously, that if you land again with PRTD and go back before receiving the PR card, this is a critical albeit logical bad consequence. Thank you again.

You continue to overthink and dawdle.

For those with RC-1 code PRTD who apply for PR card upon return, PROBABLY not an issue to apply right away for the PR card /as long as they remain in Canada/. It may take a while, though.

What you keep getting warned about here is you have repeatedly mentioned leaving after coming to Canada because of [things back home or whatever.] That is potentially a VERY large risk. (It's at least somewhat comparable in risk to returning without a PR through USA and then leaving, with or without a PR card app at that point)

But for you at this point, this is all slicing the onion too finely, which is my idiomatic way of saying further thinking is not helping you. Either apply and 'do it', or hire a professional and follow their advice. Staying outside of Canada longer reduces your chances in all respects, and you are not getting any closer to perfect information - indeed, increasing chances that govt policy gets more strict. Perfect information does not exist.

It seems to me it's a least a few years you are posting questions - basically all along the same lines - and chewing the same cud. Further chewing is not refining the dish, nor making it more palatable. Decide.

 

[abff08f4813c]

It seems to me it's a least a few years you are posting questions

Huh, I hadn't realized that it'd been so long. I do recall it going back a few months but I guess I joined the party late.

Either apply and 'do it', or hire a professional and follow their advice.

Decide.

Not sure actually that this is the best advice. From an earlier post https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-i...ads/residency-obligation.870752/post-11064964 (and also in https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-i...th-1-5-years-left-for-ro.870918/post-11062104 ) OP mentioned that he is caring for a sick relative and that's the reason OP can't come immediately to Canada - this is the cause of the delay.

In fact someone else gave advice to wait on the same thread - see https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-i...ads/residency-obligation.870752/post-11082561 - basically wait until the situation with the sick family member in Europe resolves, and only after then try to enter Canada with H&C (and then don't leave for two years/730 days to make sure RO is met).

The latest post from OP on that thread, which is a few months ago, suggests that if OP were to return to Canada now, OP would still have to travel overseas every couple of months, https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-i...ads/residency-obligation.870752/post-11082689

Perhaps OP could make an H&C case and get a multi-entry PRTD? If that's approved then that's the best case for OP (still some risk but at least a lower risk of getting reported). Otherwise, it seems like rushing to apply now while the family issue remains not fully resolved would compel OP to leave Canada repeatedly prior to meeting RO and put OP's PR at greater risk. Even though waiting longer reduces the odds, OP may be better off waiting...

But agree with the advice to seek a professional. At this point I don't think we have much else to offer but a professional could go into detail on OP's background and situation and thus give more tailored advice, if nothing else. (For example, OP never responded if I asked if OP was the sole family member caring for the sick relative in https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-i...th-1-5-years-left-for-ro.870918/post-11062128 but OP might be more comfortable sharing this kind of info with a professional representative. )

 

[armoured]

Not sure actually that this is the best advice. From an earlier post https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-i...ads/residency-obligation.870752/post-11064964 (and also in https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-i...th-1-5-years-left-for-ro.870918/post-11062104 ) OP mentioned that he is caring for a sick relative and that's the reason OP can't come immediately to Canada - this is the cause of the delay.

If that's the case, and is in fact just waiting, then no further refinement to the response is needed.