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Copingwithlife

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Hello Folks

Hope all of you staying safe and healthy. Almost hitting this thread after one month, further to my last comments who still believes that PGP 2020 will happen?

I think we have to get prepared for PGP 2021. A higher probability of second wave of virus and economic shrink would impact the financial eligibility for the program!
You always have to keep in mind that the health care system is in tatters & well the system that’s “ supposed “ to take care of Canada’s elders,well, we all know what happened there in round one of the pandemic. This just may be the wake up call to the Government, that one cannot keep bringing in a demographic into a country without funding the healthcare system & the senior care system that’s supposedly , supposed to take care of the individuals already here
 
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canuck78

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Agree that there is likely to be a reassessment on how care homes are run. The ratio of PSW to patient is so low and at night even worse. You may have one PSW for 40 people and a nurse for a whole building. The pay scale for the employees is very low which is why there are huge shortages of them. This will lead to better care but also more expensive care. Some higher income seniors may be asked to pay more because the care isn’t given for free but at reduced cost. Many seniors are waiting 4 years to get a spot so we certainly are not prepared for the current aging population which will only increase with baby boomers. If the general population was aware of the PGP program there would probably be quite a lot of outrage. PGP program is always year to year and can never be counted on as a guaranteed way for parents to move to Canada.
 
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These comments are off track. Although, I agreed with the fact that the current pandemic situation revealed the shortcomings in elderly care.

Moreover, adding 20 K a year into elderly population is very tiny amount and won’t be a burden for health care system ( which is already deteriorating).

Also, family reunion is a right for every taxpayer individual whoever is qualifying.
 

Copingwithlife

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These comments are off track. Although, I agreed with the fact that the current pandemic situation revealed the shortcomings in elderly care.

Moreover, adding 20 K a year into elderly population is very tiny amount and won’t be a burden for health care system ( which is already deteriorating).

Also, family reunion is a right for every taxpayer individual whoever is qualifying.
Could you please put a link from the Government that it states that family reunification is a “right “? I’m sure everyone would appreciate that , particularly those who are interested in this particular “ program”
No, adding more individuals to a system that per your words is already “ deteriorating “, doesn’t make it right . Let’s do the math . 20,000 a year x 10 years, look at that . 200,000 individuals added. That’s no longer a small number
You don’t think that multi levels of governments aren’t getting together and discussing what’s going on right now ?
I don’t think the provinces calling on the federal government to send in individuals from the army in helping care for individuals in long term care homes, in anyway helps the situation
Short comings you say ? Short comings ? People died
It’s all connected, and no, it’s not off track.
Btw the term” family reunification “, is just a political saying, instituted, by a particular political party
 
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canuck78

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These comments are off track. Although, I agreed with the fact that the current pandemic situation revealed the shortcomings in elderly care.

Moreover, adding 20 K a year into elderly population is very tiny amount and won’t be a burden for health care system ( which is already deteriorating).

Also, family reunion is a right for every taxpayer individual whoever is qualifying.
This year they accepted 27k+ applications. That is likely 30-40k seniors since many are couples but could technically be close to 50k. Canada has an immigration program primarily to offset our ageing population. Allowing every immigrant to sponsor elderly parents would add to the ageing demographic not help the situation. Family reunification with a spouse and child under 21 is guaranteed unless there is some health or security/criminality issue but reunification with parents was never guaranteed.

Yes the healthcare system is overwhelmed so most Canadians would say we should be able to care for our current population and seniors before adding more seniors. If a senior has spent 30+ years working in Canada and doesn’t have a family doctor shouldn’t they have access to a family doctor before adding more seniors who are unlikely to ever pay any taxes. There are seniors that were born in Canada or who immigrated decades ago who can’t get a GP or are waiting years for LTC, operations, etc.
 
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Also, family reunion is a right for every taxpayer individual whoever is qualifying.
It’s not a right, it’s a policy. And by IRCC definition, parents aren’t family members anyway, so there is no violation, even if it was a right.
 

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hi all friends .... my guess is that the program may open later this year and expect announcement in July 20 .... this is being optimistic
 

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hi all friends .... my guess is that the program may open later this year and expect announcement in July 20 .... this is being optimistic
We are not out of the woods yet... Perhaps sometime in 2021!
 

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This year they accepted 27k+ applications. That is likely 30-40k seniors since many are couples but could technically be close to 50k. Canada has an immigration program primarily to offset our ageing population. Allowing every immigrant to sponsor elderly parents would add to the ageing demographic not help the situation. Family reunification with a spouse and child under 21 is guaranteed unless there is some health or security/criminality issue but reunification with parents was never guaranteed.

Yes the healthcare system is overwhelmed so most Canadians would say we should be able to care for our current population and seniors before adding more seniors. If a senior has spent 30+ years working in Canada and doesn’t have a family doctor shouldn’t they have access to a family doctor before adding more seniors who are unlikely to ever pay any taxes. There are seniors that were born in Canada or who immigrated decades ago who can’t get a GP or are waiting years for LTC, operations, etc.
PGP is one of the main reason why many immigrated & will continue to immigrate. Most of the people want to take care of their parents & in turn their parents will take care of their kids. Mutual benefit & government & society benefits as well.

I have some friends who had to travel to India 5 - 10 times a year to take care of their sick parents. It's not easy. You think new immigrants won't think about these?

If they cut PGP then expect immigration to drop significantly which I don't think government can afford at this point.
 
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Copingwithlife

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PGP is one of the main reason why many immigrated & will continue to immigrate. Most of the people want to take care of their parents & in turn their parents will take care of their kids. Mutual benefit & government & society benefits as well.

I have some friends who had to travel to India 5 - 10 times a year to take care of their sick parents. It's not easy. You think new immigrants won't think about these?

If they cut PGP then expect immigration to drop significantly which I don't think government can afford at this point.
I hope to god you’re being facetious
It’s a program . Which can easily be modified by the party in power or the opinion of the voter . What’s been in the news lately , regarding the care of seniors in this country? If the Government suddenly makes an announcement stating they’ll bring in 25000 plus foreign aged nationals into the country , when we can’t even take care of the individuals already here, the opposition and voters will have a field day.
People know the deal up front when immigrating , it’s not hidden. So to bring up that there parents are sick & they have to travel back to their country each year countless times , is irrelevant.
 
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The program usually reopens to new applications in January. This didn't happen this year. The reopening of the program was skipped. Now with COVID-19, it's quite possible they will bypass 2020 entirely and re-open the program in 2021. Or maybe not. Very hard to say.

As for elections, I think you are confusing the U.S. and Canada. Two completely different countries. Canada's next federal election is scheduled to take place in 2023.
 
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member1793562

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I hope to god you’re being facetious
It’s a program . Which can easily be modified by the party in power or the opinion of the voter . What’s been in the news lately , regarding the care of seniors in this country? If the Government suddenly makes an announcement stating they’ll bring in 25000 plus foreign aged nationals into the country , when we can’t even take care of the individuals already here, the opposition and voters will have a field day.
People know the deal up front when immigrating , it’s not hidden. So to bring up that there parents are sick & they have to travel back to their country each year countless times , is irrelevant.
We need to attract the "best of the best" talent so these smart folks can boost our economy. Having PGP is an added advantage when other countries are restricting PGP related programs. Keep in mind these talented folks are already well educated and we had to pay no child care / tuition expenses for them & it's a tremendous loss for their home country! All expenses were already paid by their home country. We just simply benefit!! That's why I think any government will try to maintain PGP.
 

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PGP is one of the main reason why many immigrated & will continue to immigrate. Most of the people want to take care of their parents & in turn their parents will take care of their kids. Mutual benefit & government & society benefits as well.

I have some friends who had to travel to India 5 - 10 times a year to take care of their sick parents. It's not easy. You think new immigrants won't think about these?

If they cut PGP then expect immigration to drop significantly which I don't think government can afford at this point.
Very few people immigrate to Canada in order to be able to sponsor their parents, so closing the program is not likely to have much impact.

PGP is a money-losing program for Canada. The program was stopped for years and completely overhauled because studies showed that the majority of sponsored parents/grandparents brought little money/assets to Canada, didn't work, ended up on welfare as soon as possible and were a drain on the healthcare/social systems. This is why LICO was increased, the undertaking was increased to 20 years and applications were capped. Even with the overhaul, it is still a money-losing program.
 

canuck78

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We need to attract the "best of the best" talent so these smart folks can boost our economy. Having PGP is an added advantage when other countries are restricting PGP related programs. Keep in mind these talented folks are already well educated and we had to pay no child care / tuition expenses for them & it's a tremendous loss for their home country! All expenses were already paid by their home country. We just simply benefit!! That's why I think any government will try to maintain PGP.
Those who want to move already leave once they secure citizenship. UK has lost favour for many immigrants for various reasons. Getting green cards or work permits in the US are much harder than Canada. Canada remains a very tolerant safe society so there is no shortage of talent willing to come to Canada. Free healthcare for seniors who will likely never pay taxes is a very high price to pay especially given our ageing population who we can’t even care for. There are a large number of seniors without a family doctor. Wait times for LTC can be 3-4 years. Wait times for various operations, specialists, etc. are long for everyone. Canada welcomes immigrants to offset our ageing population. If a family sponsors both sets of parents they likely become a bigger drain on the system having children and seniors yet one or 2 income earners. Most countries don’t allow parents sponsorship with healthcare for good reason. Given the increasing number of immigrations there is absolutely no way the majority will be able to sponsor their parents. The majority of the Canadian population has zero idea that PGP exists and would be outraged if they had a family member that has been working in Canada for 25+ years or even lived in Canada their whole life who may not get access to a family MD before a parent sponsored after their children have lived in Canada for as little as 3 years.
 

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PGP is one of the main reason why many immigrated & will continue to immigrate. Most of the people want to take care of their parents & in turn their parents will take care of their kids. Mutual benefit & government & society benefits as well.

I have some friends who had to travel to India 5 - 10 times a year to take care of their sick parents. It's not easy. You think new immigrants won't think about these?

If they cut PGP then expect immigration to drop significantly which I don't think government can afford at this point.
you are RIGHT ..... immigration for parents not guaranteed .... the direct effect of this is that many educated and qualified immigrants leave for US.... US is cheaper and offers better wages and savings - many are planning it too .... and many return to India for work and business ..... the latter is a good opportunity for most .... but Canada is considerate it had two draws every year except in past year 2019 due to elections and now 2020 due to corona pandemic ..... wait for announcement of program and we could have it after June - when it is difficult to say but one must be optimistic ..... wait for things to be normal .... this corona has affected economy so there will be emphasis on recovery and examining role of immigrants and their contribution ..... these will determine govt decisions .... Thanks
 
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