International students

[mead]

Actually the student benefits from the education and exposure so they do get their money's worth. Every student doesn't get PR though because that's not how the study permit system works - it's not a buy your PR scheme - which also exists as a separate program so anyone keen on spending money to get a sure shot chance at PR would do better off taking that route rather than spending money and time on and after a study permit.

CEC applicant experiences can be faked as well - there are chinks in all armors - LMIA applications have a 70% rejection rate for a reason. But I get your point that it's probably easier to do this faking in some other parts of the World than in Canada.

My point though was that CEC applicants with genuine Canadian experiences can also have skeletons in their closet from the past in much the same way that FSW applicants can have shady work experiences. We're just debating without data on which of these is a bigger problem. The way I see it - these are both problems and they must both be addressed and anyone who is defrauding the system must be apprehended and sent back. That will eventually open the door wider to let the good ones in - be it international student or foreign professionals.

agreed what you said but a positive thing for international students is that they have canadian education which is easier to verify than outside candidates. They will have canadian experience which is relatively easier to verify than outside and percentage fakes would be less again this is an assumption. And more over if international students have a job in canada they are some what successful in integration I know that is debatable. So doesnt all this warent better considerations. Again I want to mention here canada needs both international students as well as talented out side candidates. Just makeing them compete with each other is wrong or a bad system. No one group is needed more over the other but they shouldnt all be in one pool. This is just my point of view and no offense to anyone

 

[winnipeg141]

I don't know why you guys started fighting again. We're not saying give PR to every student. But the rules right now is giving PR to no one. And the people who are saying students drive trucks, I know lots of skilled workers from overseas who do the same in Canada. They move into unskilled profession because there is more money, like driving truck. But remember I'm saying not everyone do this.

 

[Honeyaustin]

Through all these years I’ve never been looked down by a single Canadian, they have all treated me equally, but there were some people who thought I was a useless janitor and no wonder they were all immigrants from different parts of the world.

i totally agree with you as students who getting Canadian education and are exposed to canadian cultural so they are less discriminating, thats what make them more canadian, because their way of thinking is changed because of living in canada.
but there are some bad apples few of them are also on this thread whose way of thinking never changed even after being in canada. Thats the really sad part.

 

[Kumarp]

i totally agree with you as students who getting Canadian education and are exposed to canadian cultural so they are less discriminating, thats what make them more canadian, because their way of thinking is changed because of living in canada.
but there are some bad apples few of them are also on this thread whose way of thinking never changed even after being in canada. Thats the really sad part.

Yup, people tend to forget the fact that they won't become Canadian just because they had their education in Canada. Also, another funny point that keeps coming up, "I have a job here and I pay taxes, so I am more eligible than someone coming from outside" - really funny. Paying tax is not a charity work, it is your duty Period. You work in this country, you are making money here, you are enjoying all the benefits here, so it s obvious that you are obliged to pay tax.

 

[Honeyaustin]

and making rules easy for international students will not affect other immigrants criteria of selection unless they try to oppose international students, because if they keep on opposing too much than there are good chance things would come up that they might not want. such as job experience verification by canadian institution similar to ECA

 

[Kumarp]

I agree that there should be some attention to International students in EE. But please stop disgracing other people in the system, it just doesn't make you look any better.

 

[mead]

Yup, people tend to forget the fact that they won't become Canadian just because they had their education in Canada. Also, another funny point that keeps coming up, "I have a job here and I pay taxes, so I am more eligible than someone coming from outside" - really funny. Paying tax is not a charity work, it is your duty Period. You work in this country, you are making money here, you are enjoying all the benefits here, so it s obvious that you are obliged to pay tax.

no paying taxes and having canadian education gives international students a leg up in integration in canadian society . EE has english test so as to make sure people will be successful in canadian society well international students are already integrated. So ur interpretation is wrong we are saying we r already here and we are successful(with exceptions) as we have skilled jobs then why r we not being selected as thats what EE is supposed to be looking for but is failing to do so. We r not saying since we pay taxes we have a right to PR no thats not we r saying we r saying we r already part of canadian society and integrated so why not give us more visibility? Making us compete with people from out side is wrong.

 

[mead]

I agree that there should be some attention to International students in EE. But please stop disgracing other people in the system, it just doesn't make you look any better.

again i am not disgracing anyone unless they do first. but I am just supporting international students

 

[mead]

again let me make it clear I am not saying people from outside should not be allowed . Everyone who deserves should be taken in as that will help canada stay on top. canada needs people lot of problems will be solved if canada has more population

 

[lisizi]

Yup, people tend to forget the fact that they won't become Canadian just because they had their education in Canada.

So who loves hockey, hiking, skiing, the mountains, Palm Bay, goes for wings every wedn, have Canadian friends, loves their "drama free" lifestyle, and say "eh"all the time? ME, LOL.
It'd be nice if we could meet each other one day and have a celebration of our bravery in becoming or trying to become Canadians (I'm just trying on papers now, because I am already at heart).

 

[Kumarp]

no paying taxes and having canadian education gives international students a leg up in integration in canadian society . EE has english test so as to make sure people will be successful in canadian society well international students are already integrated. So ur interpretation is wrong we are saying we r already here and we are successful(with exceptions) as we have skilled jobs then why r we not being selected as thats what EE is supposed to be looking for but is failing to do so. We r not saying since we pay taxes we have a right to PR no thats not we r saying we r saying we r already part of canadian society and integrated so why not give us more visibility? Making us compete with people from out side is wrong.

Brother what is success according to you, completing education here and finding job might be success for some, but for someone else it could be different. For a refugee it could be to live another day, for a laborer it could be to provide better life for his/her family, for someone in poverty it could be to earn today's bread.

Am saying this again, international students should definitely be given some extra considerations, but that doesn't make other categories any less qualified. Not all international students, who had their education in Canada have a great English language proficiency (that is a different story altogether).

About paying taxes thing - you may not have said so, but quite a bunch of people here have mentioned that earlier. You and I were able to become more integrated to the Canadian society only because you and I were given a chance to be here, so we at least had a chance to be here, correct? In that case any one who gets a chance to be here may very well have no problem integrating to the Canadian life.

Again I would like to emphasize a point here, that fighting for our rights is okay, but please that shouldn't come at the cost of disgracing someone and calling them names or calling their country as corrupt.

Also, just bringing in more population (even though, they are skilled) will not solve problems. If there are no jobs for all the people that are coming in, then we are all doomed. Again @mead, I didn't pin point you in any of my comments above, I was just talking about the general mood in this forum.

 

[Kumarp]

So who loves hockey, hiking, skiing, the mountains, Palm Bay, goes for wings every wedn, have Canadian friends, loves their "drama free" lifestyle, and say "eh"all the time? ME, LOL.
It'd be nice if we could meet each other one day and have a celebration of our bravery in becoming or trying to become Canadians (I'm just trying on papers now, because I am already at heart).

hahaha..I'd love to meet you all one day as well. I love this free country, it's culture, people and everything about it, but that still doesn't make me Canadian by heart, I feel more Indian I am extending my stay here so I don't have to leave my awesome job so early and PR is the only way to extend my stay. I have all my life, love, family, best friends back home, I wish I can go back home pretty soon and invite you all for my farewell party 8)

 

[dupsy21]

You have said it all and I am glad this is coming from someone that went through the student route.

I am indeed surprised at how intolerant people can't be. The word "losers" have been used to describe foreign workers on several occasions. it saddens me that it is the people who claimed to have "integrated" in Canada that are doing this.

Let's learn to respect one another and live in harmony.

Brother what is success according to you, completing education here and finding job might be success for some, but for someone else it could be different. For a refugee it could be to live another day, for a laborer it could be to provide better life for his/her family, for someone in poverty it could be to earn today's bread.

Am saying this again, international students should definitely be given some extra considerations, but that doesn't make other categories any less qualified. Not all international students, who had their education in Canada have a great English language proficiency (that is a different story altogether).

About paying taxes thing - you may not have said so, but quite a bunch of people here have mentioned that earlier. You and I were able to become more integrated to the Canadian society only because you and I were given a chance to be here, so we at least had a chance to be here, correct? In that case any one who gets a chance to be here may very well have no problem integrating to the Canadian life.

Again I would like to emphasize a point here, that fighting for our rights is okay, but please that shouldn't come at the cost of disgracing someone and calling them names or calling their country as corrupt.

Also, just bringing in more population (even though, they are skilled) will not solve problems. If there are no jobs for all the people that are coming in, then we are all doomed. Again @mead, I didn't pin point you in any of my comments above, I was just talking about the general mood in this forum.

 

[kirtivsingh]

Well, it's your fault that you chose a bad college to study where everyone can cheat. In my university, there's a grade lower than F for anyone that cheat/plagiarize on assignments or project, you will be failed immediately from the course, and if you cheat on final project or practicum, you are kicked out of the program. Period.

It also doesn't say anywhere that IRCC is going to hand out pr status to EVERY INT'L STUDENTS like ad flyers. Only students with recognized degree and have real job, real work experience are able to apply for PR, IRCC only makes it easier for eligible int'l students to apply because like I said before, these students have been in Canada for at least 4 years with verified degree, verified work experience, verified salary and verified bank account - all documents are straightforward and clear. Therefore, why takes chances with someone from some corrupt countries where everything can be fake or unverifiable? So yeah, your lazy classmates don't stand a chance when they compete with hard working int'l students like us here.

I studied at Sheridan, and no one can contest that it's a bad college. it is one of the best colleges in Ontario(not comparing it to Universities tho). Having said that plagiarism is a big deal here to but it doesn't apply on maths and logical subjects where it is expected for all to have similar answers. it mainly applies only on theory assignments and trust me when i say these people get around that as well.
I am just saying what i have seen and that is disgusting to me.

 

[kirtivsingh]

I am wondering where you studied.
Plagiarism is something very serious here in Canada. We had a case of plagiarism yesterday and the student is going to face the univ jury and most likely will be kicked out of school.
If you don't study, you don't pass the course. Passing grade is usually 62 or 70 (at my uni) and you need to get a decent GPA to get jobs after graduation (at least 3.0 / 4.0).
My admission GPA was 3.64. I am struggling to keep a 3.3 here in Canada.

Buddy I got 4.0 GPA with a silver medal, so dont tell me about 3.6 or 3.3 and its difficult etc. and thats the primary reason I get pissed when people who no intentions of studying and building a career get student visa coz their parents have money, come here have fun and then expect that govt would give them PR just coz they studied here. Deserving people will get nevertheless coz they have the skill and any system will recognize that.
not trying to offend anyone here but when i see that i came here 3 years ago, completed my school got job offer before graduating sem and now after 1 year exp and clb 9 ielts scores i got the ITA. I dont understand why people keeping shouting they are not getting ITA coz of the new system. Yes the new system is unfair if you look at the old system, but it's not really that bad. it helps get the right exp and skills in canada. Whats wrong in that.

Just a thought to think about, if one is deserving and competent enough, will find his way through without complaining and excuses