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IMG in Canada : How are you surviving?

nayr69sg

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Hello,
*I know this thread is catered for practicing IMG doctors and not MBBS students like me, but I would be most grateful if you all kind seniors could give me some insight into whether my plan is viable or just plain silly. Many, many thanks.*

I am a 3rd year MBBS student from Hong Kong. I figured I will have to emigrate to Canada some time in the next decade or so and I hope to practice medicine here by then. Seeing the considerable difficulties faced by even the experienced IMG doctors and specialists, I am thinking of an alternative route to achieve my goals:
  • I am planning to discontinue my MBBS and transfer to a BScN program in Ontario.
  • I should be able to apply for PR after the BScN. That way, I could become a registered nurse AND a PR after 4 years.
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  • I know this meant forfeiting my MBBS, my hopes of learning and practicing medicine again rests on applying for a Canadian MD program after MCAT(now with my RN and PR status).
  • Even if I fail to enrol into MD, I would still be a registered nurse in Canada and I am marginally okay with that.
Dear seniors, would you fancy my chances of finally practicing medicine in Canada again? Many thanks for your time and attention. I do apologize again for using this platform for IMGs to ask for my MD plans.

Happy holidays, and may peace be with you all.
I already replied to you on RxPG. You posted the same question.

Hello,

I am a 3rd year MBBS student from Hong Kong. I figured I will have to emigrate to Canada some time in the next decade or so and I hope to practice medicine here by then. Seeing the tremendous difficulties faced by even the experienced IMG doctors and specialists, I am thinking of an alternative route to achieve my goals:

- I am planning to discontinue my MBBS and transfer to a BScN program in Ontario.
- I should be able to apply for PR after the BScN. That way, I could become a registered nurse AND a PR after 4 years.

- I know this meant forfeiting my MBBS, my hopes of learning and practicing medicine again rests on applying for a Canadian MD program after MCAT(with my RN and PR status by then).
- Even if I fail to enroll into MD, I would still be a registered nurse in Canada and I am marginally okay with that.

Dear seniors, would you fancy my chances of finally practicing medicine again?
Would I be wasting my time and tossing away my chances to become a doctor in this “gamble”?

I would be most grateful if you all kind seniors could give me some insight into whether my plan is viable or just plain silly. Many thanks for your time and patience
 

ivan216hk

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Yes I have taken note of this new development. Unfortunately, I am still a university student enrolled in a Hong Kong MBBS program so I am currently ineligible for this.

I guess I will stand a better chance getting a PR through completing a degree in a post-secondary institution?
(https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/news/2020/11/measures-to-support-hong-kong-residents-including-youth-to-come-to-canada.html)

This special PR scheme is also the reason why I am considering to take the convoluted (if not dumb) route:
transferring to a Canadian BSc Nursing program as an int'l student --> get PR --> Canadian med school --> apply for matching and practice as a PR, instead of an IMG

After all, practicing as an IMG seemed very daunting yet I still dearly wish to move and practice to Canada. As such, I thought this not-so-witty way of circumventing the IMG status may just work.

Anyway, thanks for the heads up, @steaky!
 

canuck78

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Yes I have taken note of this new development. Unfortunately, I am still a university student enrolled in a Hong Kong MBBS program so I am currently ineligible for this.

I guess I will stand a better chance getting a PR through completing a degree in a post-secondary institution?
(https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/news/2020/11/measures-to-support-hong-kong-residents-including-youth-to-come-to-canada.html)

This special PR scheme is also the reason why I am considering to take the convoluted (if not dumb) route:
transferring to a Canadian BSc Nursing program as an int'l student --> get PR --> Canadian med school --> apply for matching and practice as a PR, instead of an IMG

After all, practicing as an IMG seemed very daunting yet I still dearly wish to move and practice to Canada. As such, I thought this not-so-witty way of circumventing the IMG status may just work.

Anyway, thanks for the heads up, @steaky!
You seem to be making some pretty big assumptions. There is no guarantee that you'll be granted a study permit since your studies don't make sense and you may not be able to transfer any credits into a nursing program. Getting into a Canadian medical school is very difficult. Many Canadians study abroad after getting rejected sometimes multiple times. If you really want to practice in Canada you should finish school in HK, work as a junior doctor in the UK or Ireland and when you are a consultant move to Canada.
 

ivan216hk

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Dec 17, 2020
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Right, I see... Thanks for reminding me about this issue. I'll keep my eyes peeled for other opportunities to practice overseas (and if fortunate, in Canada later on).
 

canuck78

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Right, I see... Thanks for reminding me about this issue. I'll keep my eyes peeled for other opportunities to practice overseas (and if fortunate, in Canada later on).
Would add that 1 in 6 Canadian medical graduates who are specialists can't find jobs in Canada. Would not move without a long term job offer. Many new graduates who do get employed are doing short term locums.
 

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Anyone not in Canada yet, I suggest you go work as an IMG in the UK, and then come over. Canada will recognize GPs from the UK (and SA, Aus, New Nealand, USA) but not from anywhere else.

As you'll see, if you are an IMG GP in Canada already, you need to pass difficult MCCQ and NAC exams and get matched by CARMS for residency, where you can specialize in family medicine and go work in the sticks. If you are specialized already, find another profession or go work in the UK and come back after 2 years.
 

canuck78

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Anyone not in Canada yet, I suggest you go work as an IMG in the UK, and then come over. Canada will recognize GPs from the UK (and SA, Aus, New Nealand, USA) but not from anywhere else.

As you'll see, if you are an IMG GP in Canada already, you need to pass difficult MCCQ and NAC exams and get matched by CARMS for residency, where you can specialize in family medicine and go work in the sticks. If you are specialized already, find another profession or go work in the UK and come back after 2 years.
Most will need to spend more than 2 years working in the UK before being able to look for employment in Canada as a physician without repeating a residency.
 
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2468az

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Not bad for every field but really bad for physicians. Even Canadian new graduate who are can have difficulty finding jobs after graduation. If you want to practice medicine don’t move to Canada. Would research other countries or not move at all. I am sure I will get criticism for discouraging people from moving to Canada but seems crazy to move to a country where you won’t be able to practice medicine when you could stay in your home country and have a good life or move somewhere else where your training can be used.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-nearly-one-in-five-new-specialist-doctors-cant-find-a-job-after/

Hi @canuck78

I've read some of your posts related to lack of work opportunities for IMGs as an MD and even getting work after masters public health. Appreciate the realistic picture you've given.

From your experience, do you know of IMGs who have deviated to any other careers paths (Medical and non medical) and succeeded to secure a decent job in Toronto area? If so, what are the fields they've entered?

Thanks!
 

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Hi @canuck78

I've read some of your posts related to lack of work opportunities for IMGs as an MD and even getting work after masters public health. Appreciate the realistic picture you've given.

From your experience, do you know of IMGs who have deviated to any other careers paths (Medical and non medical) and succeeded to secure a decent job in Toronto area? If so, what are the fields they've entered?

Thanks!
I changed from MD to software engineering and don’t regret. But it’s not an easy choice and not for everyone that’s for sure
 
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canuck78

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Hi @canuck78

I've read some of your posts related to lack of work opportunities for IMGs as an MD and even getting work after masters public health. Appreciate the realistic picture you've given.

From your experience, do you know of IMGs who have deviated to any other careers paths (Medical and non medical) and succeeded to secure a decent job in Toronto area? If so, what are the fields they've entered?

Thanks!
Yes but it really depends on the background of the person and their personality. Whether they had experience in any other sector already or went back to school also makes a difference. It is a huge adjustment because many people identify themselves as physicians and it very hard for them to not be considered an MD anymore. There is a program that helps IMGs with considering other career pathways. If you can be happy not being an MD then you should consider coming to Canada as an IMG but if you can’t see yourself working in another field I would move to another country.
 
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I've seen job postings for IMGs in Ontario to work as something similar to a physician assistant, but they offer wages of 16-18 bucks an hour. To officially be a registered physician assistant, you need to go through a 2-year program that's only in a few universities around Canada (I know McMaster and UoT have it in Ontario) and then write a test to get certified. Then you'll make more than $20 an hour.
 
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canuck78

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I've seen job postings for IMGs in Ontario to work as something similar to a physician assistant, but they offer wages of 16-18 bucks an hour. To officially be a registered physician assistant, you need to go through a 2-year program that's only in a few universities around Canada (I know McMaster and UoT have it in Ontario) and then write a test to get certified. Then you'll make more than $20 an hour.
That is a medical assistant not a physician assistant. Medical assistant is a very basic role usually taking vitals and doing administrative work in a doctor’s office. I know McMaster and University of Manitoba have PA programs. Maybe U of T has started a program recently that I was unaware of. Relatively new role in Ontario and it is a very small program. They have a similar role as nurse practitioners. Canada has a huge amount of people with masters and PhDs in public health and limited jobs so many grads can’t find jobs in Canada in the field. Majority of public health jobs in Canada are done by nurses.
 
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2468az

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Yes but it really depends on the background of the person and their personality. Whether they had experience in any other sector already or went back to school also makes a difference. It is a huge adjustment because many people identify themselves as physicians and it very hard for them to not be considered an MD anymore. There is a program that helps IMGs with considering other career pathways. If you can be happy not being an MD then you should consider coming to Canada as an IMG but if you can’t see yourself working in another field I would move to another country.
Yes, I've come to terms with not being an MD which is why I'm trying to look for another field related to the health care sector.
You've mentioned a program for IMGs. Could you please provide me a link for more info?
Thank you.