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@tapperb @ImpatientKangaroo @wonderbly @RSub
Guys I really appreciate all your comments...Much better than a lawyer.
So first of all, why I am not going for a 2nd Master: Almost all Masters in business-management related fields require a GMAT of at least 550-600+, considering my math background, there is 0% possibility I can ever make that unless I study and prepare for the exams for at least 2-3 years.
Now, I guess I have somehow a weird case. I got the financial support from the employer to do a degree abroad, however not qualified for a Master's admission (My current MBA did not have a GMAT requirement as it is from a considerably average school)
I guess some of you mentioned that Langara college is not that reputable either. I totally agree, but considering my academic background, first of all, I can not go for Canadian universities as I am not qualified to get admission. Secondly, having a degree from "Canada" (or basically all other English speaking countries) does give me an automatic boost in terms of my education's reputation...So yeah Langara College may not be a high ranked institute, but in my country they won't consider Langara College, they will consider the fact that I have a degree from "Canada" :) Sounds wiered but that is how it works here...I know others who have a degree from XYZ university in some European country and they are already considered a God in their workplace

Now, I get some sort of mixed answers. @ImpatientKangaroo does believe that it is more about how you prove that you will get back home once you are done with your degree, while others are mostly saying that simply because I am going for a "lower level" of degree, I will be rejected a visa.

So may I ask for a final opionion of you guys? In my thought, the visa officer mostly emphasize on how likely you are to return back to your country once your visa is over. Now, I have an employer who is planning to open an office in Germany and appoint me as the overseas marketing manager. I am under 30, and have lived 8 years abroad (since I was 16) before returning back home. Considering all these facts:
1: Shall I utilize this chance to study in Canada, as employer is ready to sponsor?
2: If you guys think the visa would most probabely be rejected, what are the chances to take the decision to the court afterwards?
Or you just simply recommend me to ignore this chance I have to earn a degree from Canada...Maybe consider another English speaking destination (if I can find anything as affordable as Canada among English speaking)

Thanks everyone again! My post is just too long, I hope others find my questions helpful too if there are people in similar situation as mine.
 
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@ImpatientKangaroo does believe that it is more about how you prove that you will get back home once you are done with your degree, while others are mostly saying that simply because I am going for a "lower level" of degree, I will be rejected a visa.
It is not about upper/lower level. They do look at if there are any gaps in your educational history. As I said, the most important thing is to explain how that particular program/degree/training will make you better in your career in your home country. It can be lower level if one is considering a field change for example. I might have a PhD in physics but maybe I'm considering a higher level career in computer science and I might have found a crazy good compsci MSc programme/lab/supervisor at a Canadian university. The letter of motivation you'll write will determine in you'll be rejected a visa or not, not the level of the degree programme.

Also if you're admitted to a good school that'll also help you. So try to go to one of the bigger names if you can.
 
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Pasha1

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VO wouldn't have mentioned it but there is no reasoning for an PGDM after MBA. May be do a MS.
How can I study Master's in DA if I have no previous degree in this field? Bachelor's degree in programming/computer science is one of the basic reqs for MS in DA. Besides, my sole purpose in obtaining a credential is to enhance my CRS score and show the employers that I have the Canadian credential even though it's completely useless. Everybody knows that that credential is needed for getting a job interview, the rest is up to your skills.
 

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You have a MBA and now you want to do a diploma, cmon mate thought you're better than this.
As I said, I can't study master's in DA even if I wanted since I have no previous degree neither in CS nor in Programming. Why is this so hard for you to get it?
 

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I am wondering if anyone is in the situation or have heard anything about it?
I am currently a doctorate student (3rd Year) in Canada. I have my graduate degree ( MSC) also from Canada.
I am also working as a consultant with one of the reputed organization ( approx. 20 hrs./week). Now they are offering me a full-time job. Salary is good.. This position is not very common and i am myself very interested in the position.

Problem is i am international student and can't work full time. I had applied for PR in 2020 as FSW but like all i haven't heard anything. I still have one week whether to accept / reject the post. As a full time student i can take a break, but cannot work in work permit. Anyone has any idea what to do.
 

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How can I study Master's in DA if I have no previous degree in this field? Bachelor's degree in programming/computer science is one of the basic reqs for MS in DA. Besides, my sole purpose in obtaining a credential is to enhance my CRS score and show the employers that I have the Canadian credential even though it's completely useless. Everybody knows that that credential is needed for getting a job interview, the rest is up to your skills.
I think we are in the same path ,didn't read the whole discussion but from what I understood you want to be a DA but don't have a ca background.
It is fine
You can reach there by another way ,Check about Masters in Industrial engineering. IE is almost a mix of mba,DA,supply chain,process control,But be careful some uni don't offer that DA part.
If you select more courses in DA you can be a DA or DS without being a computer engineer but there is a huge learning curve.
You will have to learn a lot by yourself
Like sql,bi/tableu,python (pandas ,numpy),excel(pro level),machine learning.

Your first job will be mostly a supply chain analyst, you will get domain exp also from this .You won't face the prob @RSub mentioned also about low pay because many are industry specific.
I hope I answered your question
 
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I think we are in the same path ,didn't read the whole discussion but from what I understood you want to be a DA but don't have a ca background.
It is fine
You can reach there by another way ,Check about Masters in Industrial engineering. IE is almost a mix of mba,DA,supply chain,process control,But be careful some uni don't offer that DA part.
If you select more courses in DA you can be a DA or DS without being a computer engineer but there is a huge learning curve.
You will have to learn a lot by yourself
Like sql,bi/tableu,python (pandas ,numpy),excel(pro level),machine learning.

Your first job will be mostly a supply chain analyst, you will get domain exp also from this .You won't face the prob @RSub mentioned also about low pay because many are industry specific.
I hope I answered your question
I have been instructed all the above mentioned BI and Analytics tools during a three-month-long intensive DS Bootcamp. Since the org isn't accredited, it doesn't mean a shit when it comes to applying to relevant programs anywhere. TBH, I have no idea about availability of becoming a DA and/or DS through an IE degree. Need to do a research about it. Thanks, appreciate your help.
 
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I have been instructed all the above mentioned BI and Analytics tools during a three-month-long intensive DS Bootcamp. Since the org isn't accredited, it doesn't mean a shit when it comes to applying to relevant programs anywhere. TBH, I have no idea about availability of becoming a DA and/or DS through an IE degree. Need to do a research about it. Thanks, appreciate your help.
You have an option but have thorough research on the university before applying. Most of my friends and me are industrial engineers working as Supply chain analyst (data analyst).
By doing ie it will open a wide range of career path just not DA or DS.
 
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My ultimate goal is becoming data scientist, but to become one I should start from DA position.
Not really. I switched from healthcare consulting to data science with no CS background. DA is its own thing. It's not a 'lesser' role to use to get to a DS position, although many people do treat it that way.

Most, if not all, non-trad data scientists (i.e. those without a CS background) I knew personally in the US were Industrial Engineers. DS is not well defined and as long as you have a good portfolio on github and you know how to network, getting a DS position directly isn't too hard. In fact DS is probably THE most easy field to break into without "traditional" expertise. In contrast try becoming a mechanical design engineer without a degree in mechanical engineering.

It is also possible to become a software engineer (frontend, backend, fullstack, whatever) without traditional degrees, but imo much more difficult than data science. The main reason being those roles are a lot more technical. You better know your data structures and algorithms to be able to get through interviews. Data science on the other hand is far far less technical, and if you have decent communication skills (which you should arguably have learnt from any previous job) and a good portfolio, you should be able to get data science jobs directly.
 
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I am wondering if anyone is in the situation or have heard anything about it?
I am currently a doctorate student (3rd Year) in Canada. I have my graduate degree ( MSC) also from Canada.
I am also working as a consultant with one of the reputed organization ( approx. 20 hrs./week). Now they are offering me a full-time job. Salary is good.. This position is not very common and i am myself very interested in the position.

Problem is i am international student and can't work full time. I had applied for PR in 2020 as FSW but like all i haven't heard anything. I still have one week whether to accept / reject the post. As a full time student i can take a break, but cannot work in work permit. Anyone has any idea what to do.
What. How are they offering you a fulltime position if you haven't completed your doctorate yet? Is it a position after you graduate?
 

Deepa52

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What. How are they offering you a fulltime position if you haven't completed your doctorate yet? Is it a position after you graduate?
They dont know that i am international student, there are hardly any jobs that needs doctorate ( doctorate are preferred ). Masters is sufficient