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[iSaidGoodDay]

Another diploma mill

The report said there has been significant international student growth in Waterloo Region schools. It says since 2014, University of Waterloo has seen a 62 per cent increase, Wilfrid Laurier University has seen a 66 per cent increase and Conestoga College has experienced a 1,579 per cent increase
https://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/i-m-unable-to-find-anything-waterloo-region-students-struggle-to-secure-housing-as-fall-semester-inches-closer-1.6528269

Was reading this post yesterday: https://www.reddit.com/r/kitchener/comments/16y2srx
Reading the comments, almost everyone in seem to agree that Conestoga is a shitty institute.

 

[GandiBaat]

That's a parity move and is pretty standard procedure. Plus, Modi is unlikely to go soft on JT as he will follow the strongman style politics in which backing down is never an option.

However that also means everyone who needs a sticker on passport will face super slow processing. May be Canada should go Australia way. All visas should be electronic.

 

[GandiBaat]

do they do anything legal at all?

They do a lot of legal things -- jobs, businesses etc.

The remittance part is to hide their income and get better rates. But then this kind of supporting "informal" channels also increases crime. Same folks who provide informal channel for funds transfer also operate in drugs etc.

 

[alexross]

However that also means everyone who needs a sticker on passport will face super slow processing. May be Canada should go Australia way. All visas should be electronic.

That would be the ultimate show of weakness by Canada. India stops all visas for Candians. Canada launches evisa for Indians. But the way things are progressing now, this is probably how it will most likely play out.

 

[GandiBaat]

That would be the ultimate show of weakness by Canada. India stops all visas for Candians. Canada launches evisa for Indians. But the way things are progressing now, this is probably how it will most likely play out.

Thing is, the way Canadian politics is setup right now, Trudeau is trying to save his chair. For that he needs Jug-Meat : A Sikh head of NDP. Jug-Meat can not annoy Sikhs. Now if Sikhs find that their fellow sikhs from Punjab can not get visas, they will go absolutely ape.

They do not like Modi, alright but then Modi gives 2 flying fluffs about it. He is never going to get any votes out of Punjab anyways.

But if Canada blocks their Visas the shit is going to hit Jug-Meat and hence Trudeau. This is why Trudeau is not escalating. He can not escalate.

Modi also knows this, so he is taking full advantage of this while burnishing his own strong man creds in Indian politics. There is no bigger strongman street creds in Indian politics than one being putting a "white" "enemy" down.

Many Hindu nationalists who hate "moderate" politicians of India, absolutely love Indra Gandhi -- leader of the same moderate group. Because she stood up to American and outplayed them with the help of Russia in 1971. They love it. If modi does the same, he will be popular even beyond his death.


The biggest mistake Canada has done is that it has invited extremely complex, dirty and deadly Indian sub-continental politics in Canada. There are many reasons as why this has happened but there are ways to suppress this. Chief among that is concept of separation of state and chruch as it happens in USA. Canada does not enforces this. US for instance, forced out several official and politicians from the "Rajneeshi" cult who were trying to control politics of a district IIRC. Canada should do the same. One should not be able to control riding and provincial politics by virtue of local temple and Gurudwara level politics. There should a clear firewall between freedom of religion and political freedom. One should not be able to control the other.

 

[alexross]

Thing is, the way Canadian politics is setup right now, Trudeau is trying to save his chair. For that he needs Jug-Meat : A Sikh head of NDP. Jug-Meat can not annoy Sikhs. Now if Sikhs find that their fellow sikhs from Punjab can not get visas, they will go absolutely ape.

They do not like Modi, alright but then Modi gives 2 flying fluffs about it. He is never going to get any votes out of Punjab anyways.

But if Canada blocks their Visas the shit is going to hit Jug-Meat and hence Trudeau. This is why Trudeau is not escalating. He can not escalate.

Modi also knows this, so he is taking full advantage of this while burnishing his own strong man creds in Indian politics. There is no bigger strongman street creds in Indian politics than one being putting a "white" "enemy" down.

Many Hindu nationalists who hate "moderate" politicians of India, absolutely love Indra Gandhi -- leader of the same moderate group. Because she stood up to American and outplayed them with the help of Russia in 1971. They love it. If modi does the same, he will be popular even beyond his death.


The biggest mistake Canada has done is that it has invited extremely complex, dirty and deadly Indian sub-continental politics in Canada. There are many reasons as why this has happened but there are ways to suppress this. Chief among that is concept of separation of state and chruch as it happens in USA. Canada does not enforces this. US for instance, forced out several official and politicians from the "Rajneeshi" cult who were trying to control politics of a district IIRC. Canada should do the same. One should not be able to control riding and provincial politics by virtue of local temple and Gurudwara level politics. There should a clear firewall between freedom of religion and political freedom. One should not be able to control the other.

You are saying a reduction in student visas will tick off the Canadian Sikhs, that makes sense. But the government can still reduce the work permits being issued to India, right? Those are not concentrated in Punjab so Jug-Meat should be okay with that. Given the current state of the economy we really should be bringing in much work permit holders for the next year or so anyway.

 

[GandiBaat]

You are saying a reduction in student visas will tick off the Canadian Sikhs, that makes sense. But the government can still reduce the work permits being issued to India, right?

Who do you think is the biggest recipient of work permits?

 

[Lord_Tony]

Thing is, the way Canadian politics is setup right now, Trudeau is trying to save his chair. For that he needs Jug-Meat : A Sikh head of NDP. Jug-Meat can not annoy Sikhs. Now if Sikhs find that their fellow sikhs from Punjab can not get visas, they will go absolutely ape.

They do not like Modi, alright but then Modi gives 2 flying fluffs about it. He is never going to get any votes out of Punjab anyways.

But if Canada blocks their Visas the shit is going to hit Jug-Meat and hence Trudeau. This is why Trudeau is not escalating. He can not escalate.

Modi also knows this, so he is taking full advantage of this while burnishing his own strong man creds in Indian politics. There is no bigger strongman street creds in Indian politics than one being putting a "white" "enemy" down.

Many Hindu nationalists who hate "moderate" politicians of India, absolutely love Indra Gandhi -- leader of the same moderate group. Because she stood up to American and outplayed them with the help of Russia in 1971. They love it. If modi does the same, he will be popular even beyond his death.


The biggest mistake Canada has done is that it has invited extremely complex, dirty and deadly Indian sub-continental politics in Canada. There are many reasons as why this has happened but there are ways to suppress this. Chief among that is concept of separation of state and chruch as it happens in USA. Canada does not enforces this. US for instance, forced out several official and politicians from the "Rajneeshi" cult who were trying to control politics of a district IIRC. Canada should do the same. One should not be able to control riding and provincial politics by virtue of local temple and Gurudwara level politics. There should a clear firewall between freedom of religion and political freedom. One should not be able to control the other.

JT wants to go, kneel and kiss the ring in private https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/india-tells-canada-withdraw-41-diplomats-ft-2023-10-03/

 

[alexross]

Who do you think is the biggest recipient of work permits?

I guess probably Andhra Pradesh, followed by TN, Karnataka and other states right? I am assuming most work permits are for IT.

 

[abhiram.kumar]

Thing is, the way Canadian politics is setup right now, Trudeau is trying to save his chair. For that he needs Jug-Meat : A Sikh head of NDP. Jug-Meat can not annoy Sikhs. Now if Sikhs find that their fellow sikhs from Punjab can not get visas, they will go absolutely ape.

They do not like Modi, alright but then Modi gives 2 flying fluffs about it. He is never going to get any votes out of Punjab anyways.

But if Canada blocks their Visas the shit is going to hit Jug-Meat and hence Trudeau. This is why Trudeau is not escalating. He can not escalate.

Modi also knows this, so he is taking full advantage of this while burnishing his own strong man creds in Indian politics. There is no bigger strongman street creds in Indian politics than one being putting a "white" "enemy" down.

Many Hindu nationalists who hate "moderate" politicians of India, absolutely love Indra Gandhi -- leader of the same moderate group. Because she stood up to American and outplayed them with the help of Russia in 1971. They love it. If modi does the same, he will be popular even beyond his death.


The biggest mistake Canada has done is that it has invited extremely complex, dirty and deadly Indian sub-continental politics in Canada. There are many reasons as why this has happened but there are ways to suppress this. Chief among that is concept of separation of state and chruch as it happens in USA. Canada does not enforces this. US for instance, forced out several official and politicians from the "Rajneeshi" cult who were trying to control politics of a district IIRC. Canada should do the same. One should not be able to control riding and provincial politics by virtue of local temple and Gurudwara level politics. There should a clear firewall between freedom of religion and political freedom. One should not be able to control the other.

You over exaggerate the love Indo Canadians and Indian born Canadians have for these international students from Punjab. Many of them openly despise these kids and are tired of the huge influx and the reputational damage they have caused. In fact, you’re one of the few Indians actually supporting the mass influx of these kids. lol. Furthermore, Khalistani Sikhs are a minority of the Sikh population in Canada, albeit a very loud minority. I have Indo Sikh Canadians in my office who don’t give a shit about either India or Khalistan. The media seems to exaggerate the influence and popularity these guys have in Canada. The reality is that they are a very small and loud minority in Canada. For Canada, there’s absolutely no point in putting a blanket visa ban for all Indians since they haven’t even done that for Iranians and Canada has no diplomatic relations with Iran. Apart from the media, no one in Canada actually gives a crap about the diplomatic issue with India. If Indians stop coming over here as students, the colleges will just recruit them from other countries. Nothing what Trudeau does will save him and Jagmeet. He’s done for. He’s caused immense damage to Canada and almost everyone hates him over here. The housing market is going to crash soon and Canada will enter a recession. All the international students are going to get turfed soon. We’re going to have years of Conservative politics and depending on the rising anti immigrant sentiment, probably a few PPC seats as well.

 

[iSaidGoodDay]

You over exaggerate the love Indo Canadians and Indian born Canadians have for these international students from Punjab. Many of them openly despise these kids and are tired of the huge influx and the reputational damage they have caused. In fact, you’re one of the few Indians actually supporting the mass influx of these kids. lol. Furthermore, Khalistani Sikhs are a minority of the Sikh population in Canada, albeit a very loud minority. I have Indo Sikh Canadians in my office who don’t give a shit about either India or Khalistan. The media seems to exaggerate the influence and popularity these guys have in Canada. The reality is that they are a very small and loud minority in Canada. For Canada, there’s absolutely no point in putting a blanket visa ban for all Indians since they haven’t even done that for Iranians and Canada has no diplomatic relations with Iran. Apart from the media, no one in Canada actually gives a crap about the diplomatic issue with India. If Indians stop coming over here as students, the colleges will just recruit them from other countries. Nothing what Trudeau does will save him and Jagmeet. He’s done for. He’s caused immense damage to Canada and almost everyone hates him over here. The housing market is going to crash soon and Canada will enter a recession. All the international students are going to get turfed soon. We’re going to have years of Conservative politics and depending on the rising anti immigrant sentiment, probably a few PPC seats as well.

Khalistanis bullied CSIS into making changes in to their national safety report back in 2016 or 2017. I'd say they are very influential.

>If Indians stop coming over here as students, the colleges will just recruit them from other countries.
We don't have other large population pools that can feed Canada (and that are also capable of bringing in money) - India was China's replacement for Canada. After India and China, there are no replacements.

All eyes on JT to show the proof now.

 

[abhiram.kumar]

Khalistanis bullied CSIS into making changes in to their national safety report back in 2016 or 2017. I'd say they are very influential.

>If Indians stop coming over here as students, the colleges will just recruit them from other countries.
We don't have other large population pools that can feed Canada (and that are also capable of bringing in money) - India was China's replacement for Canada. After India and China, there are no replacements.

All eyes on JT to show the proof now.

Please… During the Harper years, Indians made up about 11 to 20% of the overall student population in Canada. Canada was running perfectly fine back then. The only reason Indians are over represented in the college population is because private and public colleges in Canada have boosted their recruitment efforts and marketing to solely focus on India. They’ve picked up on the fact that Indians are desperate to leave India. Most of the Indians attending these colleges barely have money and have taken massive loans just to fund their studies. This is the sole reason that they’re desperate for minimum wage jobs in Canada. The idea that these kids are bringing money is nonsensical.

 

[iSaidGoodDay]

Please… During the Harper years, Indians made up about 11 to 20% of the overall student population in Canada. Canada was running perfectly fine back then. The only reason Indians are over represented in the college population is because private and public colleges in Canada have boosted their recruitment efforts and marketing to solely focus on India. They’ve picked up on the fact that Indians are desperate to leave India. Most of the Indians attending these colleges barely have money and have taken massive loans just to fund their studies. This is the sole reason that they’re desperate for minimum wage jobs in Canada. The idea that these kids are bringing money is nonsensical.

I won't go into arguments over whether they bring in money or not - as that only leads to discussion without data. But, I certainly don't know of any other country that can provide international fees paying students that scale. There isn't a replacement that I see.

 

[GandiBaat]

Khalistanis bullied CSIS into making changes in to their national safety report back in 2016 or 2017. I'd say they are very influential.

>If Indians stop coming over here as students, the colleges will just recruit them from other countries.
We don't have other large population pools that can feed Canada (and that are also capable of bringing in money) - India was China's replacement for Canada. After India and China, there are no replacements.

All eyes on JT to show the proof now.

Thing is, Gurudwara politics disproportionately decide voting patterns of Sikhs and they live together and vote in a block. This is why while being 2% of population they have 18 MPs. In a contrast, Hindus are numerically more than Sikhs but have just one 1 MP. And yes, Khalibanis have disproportionate control of Gurdwaras.

Also immigration is a BIG issue among Sikhs. They move in a group too, in a family. One should read or listen to Shekhar Gupta journalism on Sikh politics. Especially his videos on "Cut the clutter". He has lived through turmoil years of Punjab and is an expert on Sikh politics. Immigration in Sikh families is a famalial phenomenon. One brother goes to Canada, entire family funnels funds into his endevor. sometimes entire village does it. IELTS, study permit to plane tickets etc, everything. A lot is riding on this one person. They go to Canada and then they sponsor their family, they sponsor their siblings and sometimes "not so sibling".

You put a brake in that process, you will make Sikhs pissed off. Otherwise, Trudeau would have taken some action and would have been more assertive. After all Indians moves to Canada and not vice-versa! This was perfect opportunity for Trudeau to show that he is not a doormat! But he could not because Jug-Meat have him by the balls!

 

[imransyed]

I won't go into arguments over whether they bring in money or not - as that only leads to discussion without data. But, I certainly don't know of any other country that can provide international fees paying students that scale. There isn't a replacement that I see.

We need some Africa bulls in this thread lol
But yeah, no other country has the financial and human ability to send students here like India.

Anyone looking at what is happening in the US and Canadian bond markets? This is going to be painful especially for Canada.