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digitalsphere

Star Member
Feb 28, 2014
163
7
Category........
Visa Office......
New Delhi
NOC Code......
2174
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
17-05-2013
AOR Received.
10-09-2013
IELTS Request
Sent with application
Med's Request
09-12-2013
Med's Done....
03-01-2014 (Results uploaded: 08-01-2014)
Interview........
Waived
Passport Req..
06-12-2013 (RPRF DD cashed on 28-01-2014)
VISA ISSUED...
DM on 28-04-2014, PP and COPR received - 09-05-2014
LANDED..........
Pray so...
slowokan said:
Yes, you are right. I am a little relieved now...;)

I just gave that info for the other guys, asking.
Same here ....it is for the guys who are asking.....
 

rakeshtk

Hero Member
Dec 26, 2012
618
28
Category........
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
digitalsphere said:
rakeshtk, rajvir0707

I cannot stress enough again and again how important it is to share correct and accurate information in the interest of all our friends here. It is not about satisfying our egos.

I humbly appeal to you to read and re-read and interpret correctly what is specified.

Kindly refer to: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/factor-experience.asp and please read and understand each line in correlation to one another. It is important to read in context.

Here is an excerpt for your reference:

After one has chosen a NOC for the application:

"If the description and list of main duties match what you did at your last job(s), you can count this experience for points. Use this chart to find the number of points based on your number of years of experience."

In Schedule 3, point 12 - "Your Work Experience:"

a) Identify, from the list below, the primary occupation and the corresponding four digit 2011 National Occupational Classification (NOC) code that will be used to assess whether your application meets the minimum program requirements to be eligible for processing."

One can fill in as many work experiences as required in the immediately preceding 10 years pertaining to any NOC code, however only the primary NOC will be considered to assess the application.

Thanks
It is not to satisfy any of our egos it is to point out the right information for the applicants......So that no one will loss any chance to apply for coming fswp....Yesterday when I hear from slowokan... I thought my thinking about the points was wrong and I was ready to accept it.... but when i gone though the manual it clearly said how they allocate the point....

In Schedule 3 form under work experience they given,

a) Identify, from the list below, the primary occupation and the corresponding four digit 2011 National Occupational Classification (NOC) code that will be used to assess whether your application meets the minimum program requirements to be eligible for processing.

Please reread the same link you quoted.... It is saying for "minimum program requirements eligibility".... Nothing mentioned there about the point.... It clearly shows the candidates should work atleast 1 year in the eligible NOC to get qualified and eligible for processing.... thats all it mean

b) Stating with the current occupation list all the occupation within 10 years preceding the date of your application. For each occupation identify the dates of your employment, your occupation, the appropriate for digits 2011 NOC code the number of years of continuous full time or equivalent part time experince and description of your main duties.

Now you related the point "b" in the schedule 3 form with the point allocation criteria given in the CIC manual....

To be eligible for points, the applicant's work experience must:
 have occurred during the 10 years immediately preceding the date of application;



"If the description and list of main duties match what you did at your last job(s), you can count this experience for points. Use this chart to find the number of points based on your number of years of experience."

It is job(s) that means more than one job or occupation....Please don't think jobs means the duties we performing under one occupation...

More over what I quoted in the forum is from OP-6D CIC manual and it correctly mentioned how they allocate the points.....CIC will never put incorrect information in their manual.... I request others who applied for GCMS note to come and clarify this.....



Also all members go through the GCMS note Page 28 (Section 9.12 Experience) and clarify yourself.....Below is the link given for the same...

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/op/op06b-eng.pdf
 

digitalsphere

Star Member
Feb 28, 2014
163
7
Category........
Visa Office......
New Delhi
NOC Code......
2174
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
17-05-2013
AOR Received.
10-09-2013
IELTS Request
Sent with application
Med's Request
09-12-2013
Med's Done....
03-01-2014 (Results uploaded: 08-01-2014)
Interview........
Waived
Passport Req..
06-12-2013 (RPRF DD cashed on 28-01-2014)
VISA ISSUED...
DM on 28-04-2014, PP and COPR received - 09-05-2014
LANDED..........
Pray so...
rakeshtk,

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/op/op06b-eng.pdf - For applications received on or after June 6, 2010

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/op/op06c-eng.pdf - For applications received on or after May 4, 2013

I am not going to linger this discussion any further. Please believe what you want to believe.

For future applicants - please exercise and rely on your own judgement.
 

jigzyy

VIP Member
Jul 1, 2010
3,840
789
Canada
Category........
FSW
Visa Office......
London
NOC Code......
2174
App. Filed.......
04-05-2013
AOR Received.
09-07-2013
File Transfer...
22-07-2013
Med's Request
02-04-2014
Med's Done....
15-04-2014
Interview........
21-01-2014
Passport Req..
01-07-2014
VISA ISSUED...
14-07-2014
LANDED..........
22-09-2014
digitalsphere said:
I will try my best to help you understand friend.

For example, the list of eligible occupations for FSW 2013 contained only a subset of NOCs from NOC 2011. One would not get points for work experience that pertained to a NOC in NOC 2011 if it was not part of the subset of NOCs eligible for FSW 2013.

To clarify further, let us say I have job experience in NOC 2173 (though it is part of NOC 2011, it is not part of FSW 2013). I can show this experience, however since I applied against NOC 2174, I will not receive points for experiences that belong to NOC 2173.

Thanks
My friend, you are wrong here. Primary NOC [for which you have applied for] should have minimum of 1 year of experience in past 10 years, if you have that, you are good to apply.

You can claim rest of the points by showing other jobs that you have done, and that should be listed in Skill Type 0, Skill Level A or B. So if you have applied for 2174 and have an experience of 1 year and worked 5 years in 2173, you'll be awarded 6 years points instead of 1.

2174 [or any other primary NOC] is the basic criteria to qualify, but CIC is not that harsh and will not ruthlessly reject the rest of the experience you had.

Proof?
I have almost 2.5 years of experience in 2174, and almost same in 2175 cum 2174 [web development], in my GCMS, I have been awarded for all the experience I have. Even Visa Officer had no issue that I have been working as web programmer for past 2 years.
 

rakeshtk

Hero Member
Dec 26, 2012
618
28
Category........
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
jigzyy said:
My friend, you are wrong here. Primary NOC [for which you have applied for] should have minimum of 1 year of experience in past 10 years, if you have that, you are good to apply.

You can claim rest of the points by showing other jobs that you have done, and that should be listed in Skill Type 0, Skill Level A or B. So if you have applied for 2174 and have an experience of 1 year and worked 5 years in 2173, you'll be awarded 6 years points instead of 1.

2174 [or any other primary NOC] is the basic criteria to qualify, but CIC is not that harsh and will not ruthlessly reject the rest of the experience you had.

Proof?
I have almost 2.5 years of experience in 2174, and almost same in 2175 cum 2174 [web development], in my GCMS, I have been awarded for all the experience I have. Even Visa Officer had no issue that I have been working as web programmer for past 2 years.
Thanks jigzyy.. for clarifying the applicants... Hope this will help all fswp 2014 applicants who wants to gain points in other NOCs....Actually we were expecting your expert opinion yesterday itself..... +1
 

rajvir0707

Hero Member
Jun 15, 2012
235
9
124
Category........
Visa Office......
NDVO
NOC Code......
3211
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
nov 5th 2013
IELTS Request
sent along
jigzyy said:
My friend, you are wrong here. Primary NOC [for which you have applied for] should have minimum of 1 year of experience in past 10 years, if you have that, you are good to apply.

You can claim rest of the points by showing other jobs that you have done, and that should be listed in Skill Type 0, Skill Level A or B. So if you have applied for 2174 and have an experience of 1 year and worked 5 years in 2173, you'll be awarded 6 years points instead of 1.

2174 [or any other primary NOC] is the basic criteria to qualify, but CIC is not that harsh and will not ruthlessly reject the rest of the experience you had.

Proof?
I have almost 2.5 years of experience in 2174, and almost same in 2175 cum 2174 [web development], in my GCMS, I have been awarded for all the experience I have. Even Visa Officer had no issue that I have been working as web programmer for past 2 years.
thnx jigzzy for sharing this info and clr out all this senariooo we hv been syng this to digitalsphere bt he is nt ready to believe tht wt facts he is tryng to prove is wrng anywysss its all clr nwww its clrly stated in cic website and now practically u hv experienced it soo pretty clr
 

digitalsphere

Star Member
Feb 28, 2014
163
7
Category........
Visa Office......
New Delhi
NOC Code......
2174
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
17-05-2013
AOR Received.
10-09-2013
IELTS Request
Sent with application
Med's Request
09-12-2013
Med's Done....
03-01-2014 (Results uploaded: 08-01-2014)
Interview........
Waived
Passport Req..
06-12-2013 (RPRF DD cashed on 28-01-2014)
VISA ISSUED...
DM on 28-04-2014, PP and COPR received - 09-05-2014
LANDED..........
Pray so...
jigzyy said:
My friend, you are wrong here. Primary NOC [for which you have applied for] should have minimum of 1 year of experience in past 10 years, if you have that, you are good to apply.

You can claim rest of the points by showing other jobs that you have done, and that should be listed in Skill Type 0, Skill Level A or B. So if you have applied for 2174 and have an experience of 1 year and worked 5 years in 2173, you'll be awarded 6 years points instead of 1.

2174 [or any other primary NOC] is the basic criteria to qualify, but CIC is not that harsh and will not ruthlessly reject the rest of the experience you had.

Proof?
I have almost 2.5 years of experience in 2174, and almost same in 2175 cum 2174 [web development], in my GCMS, I have been awarded for all the experience I have. Even Visa Officer had no issue that I have been working as web programmer for past 2 years.
jigzyy.... the only reason you received points is because web programming is also a part of 2174 (interactive media development).

Like in slowokan's case there are plenty of other examples too where applicants have been awarded points only for the primary NOC they applied with.

Just for the reference, I have also confirmed this with David Cohen. I believe no one in this forum knows better than him.
 

jigzyy

VIP Member
Jul 1, 2010
3,840
789
Canada
Category........
FSW
Visa Office......
London
NOC Code......
2174
App. Filed.......
04-05-2013
AOR Received.
09-07-2013
File Transfer...
22-07-2013
Med's Request
02-04-2014
Med's Done....
15-04-2014
Interview........
21-01-2014
Passport Req..
01-07-2014
VISA ISSUED...
14-07-2014
LANDED..........
22-09-2014
digitalsphere said:
jigzyy.... the only reason you received points is because web programming is also a part of 2174 (interactive media development).

Like in slowokan's case there are plenty of other examples too where applicants have been awarded points only for the primary NOC they applied with.

Just for the reference, I have also confirmed this with David Cohen. I believe no one in this forum knows better than him.
IF you can prove that you have "actual" experience in rest of the NOC's [pay slips, joining letters, job experience letter] than CIC will award points. Basically, CIO only checks your basic NOC experience, but when local Visa Officer reviews file at Visa Office, he awards all the experience points that you have provided initially with the application.
 

Ibasco

Star Member
Nov 25, 2013
111
9
Guys I need you advice.... Recently we reviewed our visas from London Visa Office, and we are given until jan next year to land. We are planning to fly on December however we need to renew our passports before this. my country wont llow us to travel if the validity is less than six months...so we are obliged to renew.....My concern is, since our visas were issued based from our old passport, will the issuance of new passports affects our visas? And what should I do once I have the new passports... Thank you
 

mdfarh

Member
Mar 1, 2014
18
1
Dear Friends

The HOT topic "Experience Points" are going on...

Not to quote for Any One ;)

Though I have 10 years of Experience In line with NOC A, As per my GCMS cic considered only Primary Experience points with Specific NOC qualifying for this program 2013.

They have awarded only 13 points, considering my Primary NOC for 4years. I have included other NOC experience letters as well. May be for somebody CIC would have considered all the NOCs to award points.
So nothing to worry, All your destiny decides.
 

jigzyy

VIP Member
Jul 1, 2010
3,840
789
Canada
Category........
FSW
Visa Office......
London
NOC Code......
2174
App. Filed.......
04-05-2013
AOR Received.
09-07-2013
File Transfer...
22-07-2013
Med's Request
02-04-2014
Med's Done....
15-04-2014
Interview........
21-01-2014
Passport Req..
01-07-2014
VISA ISSUED...
14-07-2014
LANDED..........
22-09-2014
mdfarh said:
Dear Friends

The HOT topic "Experience Points" are going on...

Not to quote for Any One ;)

Though I have 10 years of Experience In line with NOC A, As per my GCMS cic considered only Primary Experience points with Specific NOC qualifying for this program 2013.

They have awarded only 13 points, considering my Primary NOC for 4years. I have included other NOC experience letters as well. May be for somebody CIC would have considered all the NOCs to award points.
So nothing to worry, All your destiny decides.
Like I have explained above, CIO / CIC will calculate only primary NOC, local Visa Officer will override that and award full points after he is satisfied [after BGC].
 

digitalsphere

Star Member
Feb 28, 2014
163
7
Category........
Visa Office......
New Delhi
NOC Code......
2174
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
17-05-2013
AOR Received.
10-09-2013
IELTS Request
Sent with application
Med's Request
09-12-2013
Med's Done....
03-01-2014 (Results uploaded: 08-01-2014)
Interview........
Waived
Passport Req..
06-12-2013 (RPRF DD cashed on 28-01-2014)
VISA ISSUED...
DM on 28-04-2014, PP and COPR received - 09-05-2014
LANDED..........
Pray so...
jigzyy said:
Like I have explained above, CIO / CIC will calculate only primary NOC, local Visa Officer will override that and award full points after he is satisfied [after BGC].
In all fairness and with all due respect, neither you nor me know how the officers at VO work. The officers cannot perform their duties beyond and over the rules and regulations set by CIC. Hence under no circumstances can officers at the local visa office override any CIC decision.

Please go through slowokan's first hand experience below:

slowokan said:
My primary NOC was Mechanical Engineering, 2132. And my degree is mechanical engineer. I put 2132 as the primary NOC on the form.

My profession has been engine officer (working as an engineer on merchant ships) for the last 5 years. I am doing engineering. But since there is a total different NOC for engine officers, they didn't count my experience on shipping, I guess. They counted just my work experience onshore, when I worked at a metal fabrication job, designing, producing and quality controlling of steel parts, exact mechanical engineering.

By the way, I collected letters from all my employers (including shipping companies), telling my work hours and duties. Only my current employer's letter did not contain any info about my duties and work hours. I didn't get any points from my shipping related work experience, even though I had detailed letters from my 2 shipping related employers.
Like you, both slowokan and mdfarh are also referring to their GCMS file.
 

digitalsphere

Star Member
Feb 28, 2014
163
7
Category........
Visa Office......
New Delhi
NOC Code......
2174
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
17-05-2013
AOR Received.
10-09-2013
IELTS Request
Sent with application
Med's Request
09-12-2013
Med's Done....
03-01-2014 (Results uploaded: 08-01-2014)
Interview........
Waived
Passport Req..
06-12-2013 (RPRF DD cashed on 28-01-2014)
VISA ISSUED...
DM on 28-04-2014, PP and COPR received - 09-05-2014
LANDED..........
Pray so...
Ibasco said:
Guys I need you advice.... Recently we reviewed our visas from London Visa Office, and we are given until jan next year to land. We are planning to fly on December however we need to renew our passports before this. my country wont llow us to travel if the validity is less than six months...so we are obliged to renew.....My concern is, since our visas were issued based from our old passport, will the issuance of new passports affects our visas? And what should I do once I have the new passports... Thank you
Any existing valid visas on your old passport will continue to be valid even after you receive your new passports. Thanks
 

jigzyy

VIP Member
Jul 1, 2010
3,840
789
Canada
Category........
FSW
Visa Office......
London
NOC Code......
2174
App. Filed.......
04-05-2013
AOR Received.
09-07-2013
File Transfer...
22-07-2013
Med's Request
02-04-2014
Med's Done....
15-04-2014
Interview........
21-01-2014
Passport Req..
01-07-2014
VISA ISSUED...
14-07-2014
LANDED..........
22-09-2014
digitalsphere said:
In all fairness and with all due respect, neither you nor me know how the officers at VO work. The officers cannot perform their duties beyond and over the rules and regulations set by CIC. Hence under no circumstances can officers at the local visa office override any CIC decision.

Please go through slowokan's first hand experience below:

Like you, both slowokan and mdfarh are also referring to their GCMS file.
CIC awarded 67 points, Local Visa Officer awarded 72 points so HE did override CIO. Even if you re-read your PER email, they have mentioned that any final decision lies with the local visa officer.
 

jigzyy

VIP Member
Jul 1, 2010
3,840
789
Canada
Category........
FSW
Visa Office......
London
NOC Code......
2174
App. Filed.......
04-05-2013
AOR Received.
09-07-2013
File Transfer...
22-07-2013
Med's Request
02-04-2014
Med's Done....
15-04-2014
Interview........
21-01-2014
Passport Req..
01-07-2014
VISA ISSUED...
14-07-2014
LANDED..........
22-09-2014
Ibasco said:
Guys I need you advice.... Recently we reviewed our visas from London Visa Office, and we are given until jan next year to land. We are planning to fly on December however we need to renew our passports before this. my country wont llow us to travel if the validity is less than six months...so we are obliged to renew.....My concern is, since our visas were issued based from our old passport, will the issuance of new passports affects our visas? And what should I do once I have the new passports... Thank you
Please double check with LVO by sending CSE.