Interesting - WES assessed my Bachelor's degree as a 3 year Canadian equivalent and my CA as a 4 year Canadian equivalent "in conjunction" with my Bachelor's degree...so I'm a bit confused as to how to proceed with this - I initially thought they were assessed as two separate credentials but now I'm worried that WES ultimately assessed them as one credential (which frankly, is absurd)...still a bit uncertain on how to treat this.Beancounter said:
Express Entry for NOC 0111,1111,1112,1114 & 1212
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@ pziegler1986: Not sure if it helps but below is a copy of my WES report. Initially I was apprehensive about claiming 128 points due to the first section stating 'Canadian Equivalent Summary bachelors degree four years'. After receiving the following response from CIC via email I felt comfortable claiming these separately for 128 points "You may submit evidence of more than one completed educational credential as shown in your ECA report".
How long does the GradDipCA take (including work experience component and excluding anything from your bachelors)? I imagine it's similar to the UK ICAEW ACA program and takes around three years so it would be absurd if WES has assessed both degree and GradDipCA as one credential. WES could have made a mistake however. WES definitely need to improve their reports.
I don't know what to suggest with regard to what to populate in your EE profile. Perhaps drop an email to WES asking for clarification about the report (via 'contact us' on their website)? I sent them a message asking for clarification on something on 18th Feb and got a reply on 19th Mar which seems like a long time but isn't when we're having infrequent EE draws.
CANADIAN EQUIVALENCY SUMMARY
Bachelor's degree (four years)
CREDENTIAL ANALYSIS
1. Credential Authentication: Official transcripts were sent directly by the institution
Country: United Kingdom
Credential: Bachelor of Arts (Honours)
Year: XXXX
Awarded by: University of Liverpool
Institution Status: Recognized
Major/Specialization: Geography
Canadian Equivalency: Bachelor's degree (four years)
2. Credential Authentication: Official transcripts were sent directly by the institution
Country: United Kingdom
Credential: Member
Year: XXXX
Awarded by: Institute of Chartered Accountants in England and Wales
Institution Status: Recognized
Major/Specialization: Accounting
Canadian Equivalency: Bachelor's degree (three years)
Remarks: The rank of membership was attained following a professional
education program validated by examination and required practical
training
How long does the GradDipCA take (including work experience component and excluding anything from your bachelors)? I imagine it's similar to the UK ICAEW ACA program and takes around three years so it would be absurd if WES has assessed both degree and GradDipCA as one credential. WES could have made a mistake however. WES definitely need to improve their reports.
I don't know what to suggest with regard to what to populate in your EE profile. Perhaps drop an email to WES asking for clarification about the report (via 'contact us' on their website)? I sent them a message asking for clarification on something on 18th Feb and got a reply on 19th Mar which seems like a long time but isn't when we're having infrequent EE draws.
CANADIAN EQUIVALENCY SUMMARY
Bachelor's degree (four years)
CREDENTIAL ANALYSIS
1. Credential Authentication: Official transcripts were sent directly by the institution
Country: United Kingdom
Credential: Bachelor of Arts (Honours)
Year: XXXX
Awarded by: University of Liverpool
Institution Status: Recognized
Major/Specialization: Geography
Canadian Equivalency: Bachelor's degree (four years)
2. Credential Authentication: Official transcripts were sent directly by the institution
Country: United Kingdom
Credential: Member
Year: XXXX
Awarded by: Institute of Chartered Accountants in England and Wales
Institution Status: Recognized
Major/Specialization: Accounting
Canadian Equivalency: Bachelor's degree (three years)
Remarks: The rank of membership was attained following a professional
education program validated by examination and required practical
training
Hi Friends,
I have a question related to these NOC. Is anybody around who has done C.A. (Charted Accountant) from India and has claimed points in Educational Credentials section. My wife is a C.A. and is applying along with me as secondary applicant. So, was curious to know if I can claim some points for her C.A. credential?
Thanks in advance!!
I have a question related to these NOC. Is anybody around who has done C.A. (Charted Accountant) from India and has claimed points in Educational Credentials section. My wife is a C.A. and is applying along with me as secondary applicant. So, was curious to know if I can claim some points for her C.A. credential?
Thanks in advance!!
sidbh1980 said:
I don't you need any assessment for CFA designation. It's international professional degree and canada recognizes it.
I am planning to apply under NOC 1112. I am currently working as a Financial Analyst in a Credit Rating Company.
@ BeancounterBeancounter said:
This is an extract of my WES Report
CANADIAN EQUIVALENCY SUMMARY
Bachelor's degree (four years)
CREDENTIAL ANALYSIS
1. Credential Authentication: Official transcripts were sent directly by the institution
Country: Australia
Credential: Bachelor Degree
Year: XXXX
Awarded by: RMIT University
Institution Status: Recognized
Major/Specialization: Accounting
Canadian Equivalency: Bachelor's degree (three years)
2. Credential Authentication: Official transcripts were sent directly by the institution
Country: Australia
Credential: Graduate Diploma
Year: XXXX
Awarded by: Institute of Chartered Accountants in Australia - NSW
Institution Status: Recognized
Major/Specialization: Chartered Accounting
Canadian Equivalency: Bachelor's degree (four years)
Remarks: The equivalency for this credential is stated in conjunction with study previously completed (see #1, above)
Well, well - it looks like they've completely bollocksed this one. The GradDipCA is identical to what you describe for UK ICAEW ACA, in that it takes around three years to complete with both examinations and practical experience required to become eligible for admission as a member of the Institute.
Judging by the remarks in your WES ECA vs the remark contained in mine, it looks like WES has treated my Chartered Accountants program as some sort of extension of my Bachelor's degree which is just plain wrong.
Problem is - I just received an ITA from the latest draw under the premise of the 128 points - I really need to get into contact with WES and question this credential.
@ Nikhil89: Maybe we are slightly confused with what each other is saying, my fault! 
Have copied your comments and added my thoughts...
https: / / dmp-portal.cic.gc.ca / enquiries-renseignements / canada-case-cas-eng.aspx
CIC used the word ‘graduation’ in their email reply, and by that I think they mean ‘qualifying as an accountant’. My understanding of that email is that any work done in order to qualify as an accountant would be considered education/training and not be eligible for inclusion in the 'work history' section of the EE profile (otherwise it would be double counting!). Any work done for the same company after getting your accountancy qualification would be eligible for inclusion as work history.
Also, have you had your ECA done yet?
Hope this helps
Have copied your comments and added my thoughts...The hsrdc website covers the duties and employment requirements required to qualify under NOC1111. I think I got confused and thought you were asking about what could be populated in the 'work history' section of the EE profile.
Really not sure about this and would welcome other peoples' input. It appears as if you have two options but I could be wrong...a) apply under NOC1111 but not show any work experience related to that NOC and thus get less points or b) apply under the NOC related to the MIS analyst role and show your work history related to that thus getting extra points. I think it's possible to include all education history regardless of whether it relates to the NOC being applied for??
I cannot post links (but know it's possible as see other people do it). Have modified the address...just remove the spaces
https: / / dmp-portal.cic.gc.ca / enquiries-renseignements / canada-case-cas-eng.aspx
Hmmm I'm not sure as not familiar with the terminology used in your country...when you say 'post b.com articleship experience'...does that work count towards getting your accountancy qualification or is that work done after you've qualified?
CIC used the word ‘graduation’ in their email reply, and by that I think they mean ‘qualifying as an accountant’. My understanding of that email is that any work done in order to qualify as an accountant would be considered education/training and not be eligible for inclusion in the 'work history' section of the EE profile (otherwise it would be double counting!). Any work done for the same company after getting your accountancy qualification would be eligible for inclusion as work history.
Also, have you had your ECA done yet?
Hope this helps
@ pziegler1986: WES have definitely screwed up.
This can be resolved. WES just need to be shown what the correct answer is and why.
I'm at a loss of what to say...I would be fuming!
This can be resolved. WES just need to be shown what the correct answer is and why.
I'm at a loss of what to say...I would be fuming!
That's the million dollar question? How? These guys are also notoriously slow when it comes to answering queries - I tried to call and get them to answer their logic on the phone and the agent told me that this cannot be done over the phone. Very, very frustrating.Beancounter said:
Hi Bean counter ,
Really appreciate your reply , and like the way you have broken up my looonnggg queries
Regarding my ECA report , I had submitted my report on the 4th of Jan'15 , It was evaluated and they considered my Bcom as 4 years Bachelors (Major : Accounting) as far as my CA Is concerned there is an additional requirement which I submitted on the 24th of Feb'15 , now the expected date for my Final ECA report is showing as 15th Apr'15 :'(
But, one thing to note here is that , my friend and myself got our CA docs assessed together , they issued him a report for his CA considering it as (2 years Diploma ), nothing written in remarks or so whatsoever. It very weird why did they ask additional degree certificate for me to be submitted .
Anyways have done that now just staying put for the next 3 weeks , I am not filing my profile until I have the final ECA report in my hand ..
Thanks
Really appreciate your reply , and like the way you have broken up my looonnggg queries
Regarding my ECA report , I had submitted my report on the 4th of Jan'15 , It was evaluated and they considered my Bcom as 4 years Bachelors (Major : Accounting) as far as my CA Is concerned there is an additional requirement which I submitted on the 24th of Feb'15 , now the expected date for my Final ECA report is showing as 15th Apr'15 :'(
But, one thing to note here is that , my friend and myself got our CA docs assessed together , they issued him a report for his CA considering it as (2 years Diploma ), nothing written in remarks or so whatsoever. It very weird why did they ask additional degree certificate for me to be submitted .
Anyways have done that now just staying put for the next 3 weeks , I am not filing my profile until I have the final ECA report in my hand ..
Thanks
Hi guys,
I am new to this forum, please help if I am eligible for catagory (2 or more certificates, diploma or degree one should be 3 year or more).
Below is my ECA report.
CANADIAN EQUIVALENCY SUMMARY
Bachelor's degree (four years)
1. Credential Authentication: Official transcripts were sent directly by the institution
Country: Pakistan
Credential: Higher Secondary Certificate
Year: 2003
Awarded by: Board of Intermediate and Secondary Education, Karachi
Major/Specialization: Science Stream
Canadian Equivalency: Secondary school diploma
2. Credential Authentication: Transcripts were verified by the institution
Country: Pakistan
Credential: Bachelor of Commerce
Year: 2005
Awarded by: University of Karachi
Institution Status: Recognized
Major/Specialization: Business Administration
Canadian Equivalency: Diploma (two years)
3. Credential Authentication: Transcripts were verified by the institution
Country: Pakistan
Credential: Master of Arts
Year: 2009
Awarded by: University of Karachi
Institution Status: Recognized
Major/Specialization: Economics
Canadian Equivalency: Bachelor's degree (four years)
Remarks: The equivalency for this credential is stated in conjunction with
study previously completed (see#2, above).
Credential Authentication: Official transcripts were sent directly by the institution
Country: Pakistan
Credential: Certificate of Membership
Year: 2010
Awarded by: Institute of Cost and Management Accountants of Pakistan
Institution Status: Recognized
Major/Specialization: Accounting
Canadian Equivalency: Bachelor's degree (three years)
I am new to this forum, please help if I am eligible for catagory (2 or more certificates, diploma or degree one should be 3 year or more).
Below is my ECA report.
CANADIAN EQUIVALENCY SUMMARY
Bachelor's degree (four years)
1. Credential Authentication: Official transcripts were sent directly by the institution
Country: Pakistan
Credential: Higher Secondary Certificate
Year: 2003
Awarded by: Board of Intermediate and Secondary Education, Karachi
Major/Specialization: Science Stream
Canadian Equivalency: Secondary school diploma
2. Credential Authentication: Transcripts were verified by the institution
Country: Pakistan
Credential: Bachelor of Commerce
Year: 2005
Awarded by: University of Karachi
Institution Status: Recognized
Major/Specialization: Business Administration
Canadian Equivalency: Diploma (two years)
3. Credential Authentication: Transcripts were verified by the institution
Country: Pakistan
Credential: Master of Arts
Year: 2009
Awarded by: University of Karachi
Institution Status: Recognized
Major/Specialization: Economics
Canadian Equivalency: Bachelor's degree (four years)
Remarks: The equivalency for this credential is stated in conjunction with
study previously completed (see#2, above).
Credential Authentication: Official transcripts were sent directly by the institution
Country: Pakistan
Credential: Certificate of Membership
Year: 2010
Awarded by: Institute of Cost and Management Accountants of Pakistan
Institution Status: Recognized
Major/Specialization: Accounting
Canadian Equivalency: Bachelor's degree (three years)
YES, you do not need to send to WES for credentials, but you have to send to Canadian Chartered Accounting board to analyze equivalence of Indian CA. this you can send directly to them.AgentC said:
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I need some help. I have been given a score 112 for education after submitted bachelor in finance and acca which is assessed by wes as equivalent to a canadian degree. Based on the crs tool, I expected my score to be 119. Can someone please tell me how to contact cic by email to query this. Both credentials were done n one reprot by wes. I wouldnhave lost 32 points in all.
I need some help. I have been given a score 112 for education after submitted bachelor in finance and acca which is assessed by wes as equivalent to a canadian degree. Based on the crs tool, I expected my score to be 119. Can someone please tell me how to contact cic by email to query this. Both credentials were done n one reprot by wes. I wouldnhave lost 32 points in all.
@ allly081: Did WES assess your bachelor degree and ACCA as equivalent to one Canadian bachelors degree or two separate bachelors degrees? In your post it reads as if WES assessed as one degree?
In terms of answering your question, to claim two degrees in the EE profile it sounds like you just need to tweak the info entered in the system. For each education credential there are two boxes to complete for level of education.
1. "Level of Education": Info input here doesn't seem to alter the EE score. I don't if it's the right way to do it (and someone please tell me if I've done it wrong) but I put "Bachelor's degree" here
2. "Level of Education (Canadian Equivalent shown on the report)": Info input here alters the EE score. I selected "Two or more certificates, diplomas, or degrees" here because that's what I think my WES report shows.
If you still need it here's the online form I used to email CIC. Have modified the address...just remove the spaces
https: / / dmp-portal.cic.gc.ca / enquiries-renseignements / canada-case-cas-eng.aspx
In terms of answering your question, to claim two degrees in the EE profile it sounds like you just need to tweak the info entered in the system. For each education credential there are two boxes to complete for level of education.
1. "Level of Education": Info input here doesn't seem to alter the EE score. I don't if it's the right way to do it (and someone please tell me if I've done it wrong) but I put "Bachelor's degree" here
2. "Level of Education (Canadian Equivalent shown on the report)": Info input here alters the EE score. I selected "Two or more certificates, diplomas, or degrees" here because that's what I think my WES report shows.
If you still need it here's the online form I used to email CIC. Have modified the address...just remove the spaces
https: / / dmp-portal.cic.gc.ca / enquiries-renseignements / canada-case-cas-eng.aspx
@ Beancounter
Actually WES submitted a 2 page report listing:
1. Bachelor of Finance - Canadian equivalency (bachelors degree 4years)
2. ACCA credential - Canadian equivalency (bachelors degree 3 years)
I take your previous points. it makes a whole lotta sense and I am thinking maybe this is how it really should be presented. Especially since i would have chosen the category "2 or more post secondary degrees.." when doing the ranking to determine the score. Thanks a lot. I am going to send the email and see how it works out. I am sure many other persons have face this same situation esp for NOC 1111.
Actually WES submitted a 2 page report listing:
1. Bachelor of Finance - Canadian equivalency (bachelors degree 4years)
2. ACCA credential - Canadian equivalency (bachelors degree 3 years)
I take your previous points. it makes a whole lotta sense and I am thinking maybe this is how it really should be presented. Especially since i would have chosen the category "2 or more post secondary degrees.." when doing the ranking to determine the score. Thanks a lot. I am going to send the email and see how it works out. I am sure many other persons have face this same situation esp for NOC 1111.
Hello everybody ,
I have received my WES report today
please find it below ,
Also do let me know can I claim it as 2 separate degrees i.e : bachelor's degree and other degree/ diploma being more than 2 years.
Canadian equivalency Summary : bachelors Degree 4 years
Credential Analysis
1. B com(Bachelor of commerce)
Canadian Equivalency : 4 years (bachelors degree)
Year : 2010
2. Certificate of Membership ( ICAI )
Canadian equivalency : 3 years (bachelors degree)
Year : 2013
There are no remarks written as of the Online report I can see .
Kindly advise friends
I have received my WES report today
please find it below ,
Also do let me know can I claim it as 2 separate degrees i.e : bachelor's degree and other degree/ diploma being more than 2 years.
Canadian equivalency Summary : bachelors Degree 4 years
Credential Analysis
1. B com(Bachelor of commerce)
Canadian Equivalency : 4 years (bachelors degree)
Year : 2010
2. Certificate of Membership ( ICAI )
Canadian equivalency : 3 years (bachelors degree)
Year : 2013
There are no remarks written as of the Online report I can see .
Kindly advise friends