Effective date of Bill C24

[screech339]

Only for internal usage (In general with small exceptions) But only within the boundaries of Canada.

For example when I want to go to US I am going in as a EU not as a Canadian citizen, but only when I come back I can show my PR card. So I can use my PR card only when I'm coming back in Canada.

So within Canada, PR are not 2nd class to Canadian then.

 

[MUFC]

Only within the boundaries of Canada there is not a big deal of a difference, but if the PR has a weak passport to travel, then being a PR in Canada is not enough. in that case the PR has to obtain visas according to his citizenship.

 

[screech339]

Only within the boundaries of Canada there is not a big deal of a difference, but if the PR has a weak passport to travel, then being a PR in Canada is not enough. in that case the PR has to obtain visas according to his citizenship.

You are deflecting the question that I asked by going outside the scope of the question asked. Are PR 2nd class to Canadian in Canada? Yes or No.

 

[MUFC]

In general there is no big difference between PRs and Canadians if we are looking only in Canada. There're some exceptions though but for me they are minimal, thus we can avoid them.

So again in Canada only there is not a big difference between the Permanent Residents and the Citizens.

If we are looking only at the one site of the medal, hence the internal part.

 

[CanadianCountry]

"In general there is no big difference between PRs and Canadians if we are looking only in Canada."

Wish i could say that to someone i know who is a conditional PR (married to Canadian citizen) and is going through a divorce. This guy has spent a ton of money for legal representation in immigration and family divorce proceedings. Wish i could say the same to him not to worry about losing his PR status.

We can keep saying that PRs or Canadians are the same, but all evidence says otherwise. There is no harm in accepting that PRs and Canadians are not the same. PRs are not Canadians per say, but are a step closer to anybody else. They may not have all the rights but have the second most rights after the citizens of the country.

In general there is no big difference between PRs and Canadians if we are looking only in Canada. There're some exceptions though but for me they are minimal, thus we can avoid them.

So again in Canada only there is not a big difference between the Permanent Residents and the Citizens.

If we are looking only at the one site of the medal, hence the internal part.

 

[MUFC]

I understand your point of view CanadianCountry.

I am saying that from my point of view as a person who came here as a skilled worker. I've never look for conventional work positions, because I'm using my skills to make my money online, Hence I've never have had any situation to feel myself in a different line compared to the regular native Canadians. I'm having the same travel opportunities like a Canadian but by using my native passport.

But Meanwhile I've heard many different stories with people and I admit that there are sometimes differences which affects the PRs in a negative way here compared to regular Canadians.

I understand what are you saying.

 

[screech339]

In general there is no big difference between PRs and Canadians if we are looking only in Canada. There're some exceptions though but for me they are minimal, thus we can avoid them.

So again in Canada only there is not a big difference between the Permanent Residents and the Citizens.

Now we have an agreement that PRs are not 2nd class to Canadians. Now everything seems fine.

 

[MUFC]

With small circumstantial exceptions in the big scale and only for internal usage in Canada only.

But I admit that in some situations being only a PR is a disadvantage compared to a Canadian.

And I am feeling empathy for PR in such situations...

For example... If the PR is coming from a country with a weak to travel passport, he/she doesn't have the freedom to travel and he/she is feeling like in a prison in Canada only. (No visa free access)

The example of CanadianCountry is also valid to show a disadvantage being only a PR.

I've heard from the people that if a PR or a Canadian are fighting for a job, they will always give priority to the Canadian.

I understand your point of view screech339, but I also understand the point of view of CanadianCountry and my conclusion is that both of you guys are correct.

 

[nadeem55]

So, according to Govt. CIC website:

Understand permanent resident status

A permanent resident is someone who has been given permanent resident status by immigrating to Canada, but is not a Canadian citizen. Permanent residents are citizens of other countries.

What permanent residents cannot do
You are not allowed to:

• vote or run for political office,
• hold some jobs that need a high-level security clearance.
• apply Canadian passport
• may lose your permanent resident status or can be deported

So, these are some of the distinction of Canadian citizen and Canadian PR, more list is on and on. Try to consider yourself what you're unless you get Canadian citizenship.

my $0.02

 

[bkara]

A PR may not be able to travel to the USA as comfy as a canadian citizen but a PR who has a PHD and making $100k has more value in this country and contributing more to this country and has more stuff in this life than a drug-addict canadian citizen.

Let`s not discuss this.if you go to new brunswick,london ontario,or other small communities.You see the BIG difference between most of the PRs and canadian citizens.

By the way,what is going on with BillC24,is there any news? are we getting a notice in advance? lets demand for this and talk about this rather than rat-racing.

you know what is so funny?

a politican,such as Rob Ford,who does not have any masters or PHD can take life-changing decisions for people who know more,and have better abilities

 

[screech339]

So, according to Govt. CIC website:

Understand permanent resident status

A permanent resident is someone who has been given permanent resident status by immigrating to Canada, but is not a Canadian citizen. Permanent residents are citizens of other countries.

What permanent residents cannot do
You are not allowed to:

• vote or run for political office,
• hold some jobs that need a high-level security clearance.
• apply Canadian passport
• may lose your permanent resident status or can be deported

So, these are some of the distinction of Canadian citizen and Canadian PR, more list is on and on. Try to consider yourself what you're unless you get Canadian citizenship.

my $0.02

• vote or run for political office,

Unless you plan on running for political office yourself, it is a trivial matter since the numbers of naturalized Canadian working in political office are so few in numbers in the grand scheme of things.

However not being able to vote a major obstacle faces PR. That I understand that reasoning.

• hold some jobs that need a high-level security clearance.

Again same reason, as listed above.

• apply Canadian passport

This is a perk as part of having Canadian Citizenship. If ease of travel is only the reason for citizenship, then that is a sad and poor reason to apply for citizenship.

• may lose your permanent resident status or can be deported

The only reason to lose your PR status is, other than not meeting RO, you basically have to be convicted of a federal offense. So as long as you be an upstanding and a valuable contributor to society, you have nothing to worry about. In other words, don't get involve in drugs, don't drink and drive, etc, etc. Stay out of trouble and you won't lose your PR and get deported. I certainly hope PRs don't take up citizenship as reason to partake in activities that would get them deported.

 

[MUFC]

By the way,what is going on with BillC24,is there any news? are we getting a notice in advance?

I think there will be news after Mid-April. The notice in advance (If any) is expected to be very short or it might be posted on the date of the actual implementation which could be anytime from Mid-April until August or maybe even September.

The cut off month and date will definitely NOT jump out from the regular call centre clerks or from an article written in a newspaper from a journalist.

Most probably the date and the month will be published on the gazette and the other option is on the CIC site itself.

 

[aries9811]

sensible..

I think there will be news after Mid-April. The notice in advance (If any) is expected to be very short or it might be posted on the date of the actual implementation which could be anytime from Mid-April until August or maybe even September.

The cut off month and date will definitely NOT jump out from the regular call centre clerks or from an article written in a newspaper from a journalist.

Most probably the date and the month will be published on the gazette and the other option is on the CIC site itself.

 

[bkara]

I don`t understand how a decision can be this stupid.

The only thing CIC has to say is " the new law about residence requirement,written in bill c-24, applies to PRs who become PRs after the bill fully becomes law in the immigration system"

This is all we need.Why would I be in the same position with a guy who landed 1 day before me and never spent time and money in Canada?

I deeply feel ripped-off and don`t wanna accept this and I am not going to.Because I lived and paid taxes in canada for 3 years before I became PR

if somebody is fxcking around with my life,excuse my language,I`ll do whatever I can to defend myself.

 

[screech339]

I don`t understand how a decision can be this stupid.

The only thing CIC has to say is " the new law about residence requirement,written in bill c-24, applies to PRs who become PRs after the bill fully becomes law in the immigration system"

This is all we need.Why would I be in the same position with a guy who landed 1 day before me and never spent time and money in Canada?

I deeply feel ripped-off and don`t wanna accept this and I am not going to.Because I lived and paid taxes in canada for 3 years before I became PR

if somebody is fxcking around with my life,excuse my language,I`ll do whatever I can to defend myself.

Everyone pay taxes when they make income. No matter what status anyone has. You come to Canada and work, you pay taxes. You do the same in US, you do the same in any of the western world. Paying taxes is irrelevant to the path of citizenship.

Everyone pay the cost of living, no matter where you go. You pay to have roof over your head no matter what. You pay rent, you pay mortgage, you pay hotel fees. Does this means you are entitled to citizenship because you pay to have a roof over your head? The same principle of "paying taxes". Everyone pay taxes when they make income.