Dissapointed with my FOSS notes

[Black-Berry]

So i received my FOSS notes today via expeditd mail (Dunno why : ) I didnt even request that it sent to me via expedited mail. just filled out the form and sent it and i only got "partial" information released to me. Which is really uninteresting given the fact that the reason i requested this information is to find out why my file was transferred so i can umm "fix" it

Just a brief hiostory ab me for those who dont know.
Inland Applicant,
married 8 years,
3 kids,
husband dual citizen
here in canada legally,
No kids outside Canada,
Every family memeber including kids are Canadian except me.

Pretty simple case if you ask me.
But my file was transfeerred to my local office wthout AIP.

So i recieved my FOSS notes today with very little information or no information as to why my file was transferred. They also withheld information as stated in a cover letter they sent.

They have stated they have done my CSIS and RCMP checks though. so is that a good sign?

So really im back to square 1 and my FOSS notes were of no help and really a waste of time and not worth their 4 bucks or 3 bucks or whatever it was to send it expedited.

When i heard of the canadapost guy at my doorstep yesterday, i honestly thought a pure miracle had happened and they realised their mistake and decided to just give me my AIP because for the lvoe of me i didnt understand why they could send me my foss notes via expedited mail...

Do you think it was too early to request them?. My file was transferred over a month ago.

Some input will be graciously accepted oh and some positive karma too j/k ...

 

[rjessome]

Without knowing exactly what they said, it's difficult to comment. CAIPS and FOSS are coded so perhaps you are missing something in one of the immigration codes.

 

[Black-Berry]

This is what it says. Copied and pasted from the In landers thread,

i got a cover letter with them saying they have only included a portion of the information and they have excluded another portion for possible exemption. This bothers me..
The line actually reads..

"There has been information identified on the file which has been sent to the Access to information and privacy department in Ottawa for possible exemption.

If these documents are exempted the information will not released to you. "

It says my husdbands previous divorce documentation are effective and our marriage certificate is effective,
then after that it says my file was trnsfed to nan for more indepth assesment and possible interview

it also says that in oct my rcmp check and csis check were done
then it says on 16th nov my file was transferred from registry...

I have scanned it with a magnifying glass and i dont see anyt unusual codes. i understand everything on them .

 

[CharlieD10]

Gave you good karma, cause I have nothing to say.

Oh, except, good luck, I hope the waiting comes to an end soon!

 

[RobsLuv]

What sort of documents were requested last July? You have been married for 8 years, three kids . . . what type of evidences did you submit of your "genuine relationship"? Considering the fact that the FOSS notes do mention that the "file was trnsfed to nan for more in depth assesment and possible interview" it would seem that you simply failed to include proof of relationship with your submission. A lot of people in long term relationships, especially with kids, think that that alone is enough "evidence" - and it counts for a lot. But a "genuine relationship" is not about how long you've been married or that you have kids - it's about whether or not it's possible you entered into the relationship just to get into Canada. Now, I agree, when it's been 8 years together and 3 kids, it seems pretty nit-picky to be questioning whether you married just in order to get into Canada - but, apparently, there is a divorce in his past and maybe you didn't think to document the development of your relationship prior to your marriage and kids. Again, nit-picky, but not unheard of.

Another reason could be if the applicant (or a dependent family member) has ever been arrested. There could be questions about the circumstances surrounding that incident that need to be clarified in an interview to determine whether the incident makes you (or your dependent and, maybe by extension, you) inadmissible to Canada. There's no indication in the FOSS notes, though, that this is the case - and, obviously, you would know whether or not that's an issue . . . but this could be another explanation for someone's file being transferred to their inland office before AIP. I suspect that you simply did not include enough information for CPC-Vegreville to easily determine that this relationship meets the "genuine nature" test, so the local office has to go through it with a fine-tooth comb and possibly ask you to an interview.

Edit: Note - their withholding some of the notes for "privacy" issues is normal. If your husband did not sign an authorization to release information, they will withhold any part of the notes that includes information about his assessment - even the entire page where his income amount is disclosed! (We had that happen and it was really annoying - I was the one who filled out all the forms, so I wrote the income amount into them - and I'm the one who pays all of our bills! But they can't release that info to anyone without his permission, so they left that page out of the notes they sent me. And for my sons, who were over 18 when I applied: I had to get access to information statements signed by them to get pages from the notes that included any information/assessment about them.)

 

[eyeoftheocean]

Black-berry , did it say CSIS ,RCMP checks are passed ? dont get excited yet lol ....and wait for the next set of FOSS notes to come ! is there anywhere that mentions your medical too ?

 

[Black-Berry]

Gave you good karma, cause I have nothing to say.

Oh, except, good luck, I hope the waiting comes to an end soon!

Thnk you for the good karma Charlie D.. You got one from me too

What sort of documents were requested last July? You have been married for 8 years, three kids . . . what type of evidences did you submit of your "genuine relationship"? Considering the fact that the FOSS notes do mention that the "file was trnsfed to nan for more in depth assesment and possible interview" it would seem that you simply failed to include proof of relationship with your submission. A lot of people in long term relationships, especially with kids, think that that alone is enough "evidence" - and it counts for a lot. But a "genuine relationship" is not about how long you've been married or that you have kids - it's about whether or not it's possible you entered into the relationship just to get into Canada. Now, I agree, when it's been 8 years together and 3 kids, it seems pretty nit-picky to be questioning whether you married just in order to get into Canada - but, apparently, there is a divorce in his past and maybe you didn't think to document the development of your relationship prior to your marriage and kids. Again, nit-picky, but not unheard of.

Another reason could be if the applicant (or a dependent family member) has ever been arrested. There could be questions about the circumstances surrounding that incident that need to be clarified in an interview to determine whether the incident makes you (or your dependent and, maybe by extension, you) inadmissible to Canada. There's no indication in the FOSS notes, though, that this is the case - and, obviously, you would know whether or not that's an issue . . . but this could be another explanation for someone's file being transferred to their inland office before AIP. I suspect that you simply did not include enough information for CPC-Vegreville to easily determine that this relationship meets the "genuine nature" test, so the local office has to go through it with a fine-tooth comb and possibly ask you to an interview.

Edit: Note - their withholding some of the notes for "privacy" issues is normal. If your husband did not sign an authorization to release information, they will withhold any part of the notes that includes information about his assessment - even the entire page where his income amount is disclosed! (We had that happen and it was really annoying - I was the one who filled out all the forms, so I wrote the income amount into them - and I'm the one who pays all of our bills! But they can't release that info to anyone without his permission, so they left that page out of the notes they sent me. And for my sons, who were over 18 when I applied: I had to get access to information statements signed by them to get pages from the notes that included any information/assessment about them.)

Thank you Robsluv ..your input is much appreciated ...

In July they did request durther information ie... what i have been doing in canada from the day i arrived last year until present.. Volunteer information, school information etc... It was just a form and there was no indication o providing further proof. they also only wanted the information they requested leading me to believe they were satisfactory with the other part of my application.


As for the evidence i submitted?, i admit i didnt send that much evidence that should have been done being ive been in a almost 10 year relationship with my husband. I submitted about ten photos.. most of our very small wedding abt 8 years ago and a few others.

We also met on the internet which i stated and he stated. and his family all refused to attend our wedding because they didnt like me and thought i was too young. All this information i stated. I didnt lie. I could have easily said he came to Kenya on vacation and we met there .. or we worked together.... but we didnt want it to harm us. o we decided to tell the truth just incase cic caught us in our own lies..

I must admit i didnt send enough documnetation although i had it. I have documentation ie emails and phone records which i kept for memorie sakes and never thougt id need them so bad!. Thank God!. I have tonnes of evidence that i went to my archives for. I also paid the Nanaimo office a visit in person to inquire abt the timings of that office and the officer told me not to send anything until they contact us an she said they will call me and took my cell number. She said they hadnt received my file as yet.

I agree with you Robsluv about the evidence which i immediately suspected as soon as my file was transferred. Its sad that you can be married for along time and have that many kids and still get doubted ...

As for running ins with the law, i never ever had any running ins. Never been arrested.. never ven for a speding ticket!. Im as clean as a whistle in that area dept!. hubby is 50 and when he was in his 20s he had many run ins!. This was in toronto when he was in college and he did many stupid things. he did every vice under the sunm except murdering someone!. Im even embarrassed and i was jokingly telling him the other day that he was the reason my file has complications heh heh heh ,.

but he paid the price. that was almost twenty something years ago.. hes been clean no run ins for over 25 years now. but if thats the case than that would be what it is.. not me....

Black-berry , did it say CSIS ,RCMP checks are passed ? dont get excited yet lol ....and wait for the next set of FOSS notes to come ! is there anywhere that mentions your medical too ?

No im not excited at all eye LOL... alll cic has done is dissapoint me sofar all the time LOL.. if anything
No they didnt say if i passed any test. not anywhere is my medicals mentioned though!. which is worrying me a tard..I known its a possibility ill redo them (I did them in january) but if it can be avoided why not??. Come to think of it.. i wonder if they did receive my medicals??. the doctors office said they sent them.. and i trust that they did!... but will wait and see...

Im just excited because they have done my rcmp and csis checks the further along they are in my file the better.. Im just so tired of waiting and just want to get this over with and move on..

You all got positive karma from me btw THANK YOU

 

[eyeoftheocean]

BB , If your FOSS notes dont say pass at the side of RCMP /CSIS req this means they are not done . I know this cos on my FOSS notes it says,

Criminalty Pass

Meds Req

CSIS Req

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news hun ! I too will prob have to re-do meds in Jan as they have been extended until then as still waiting from CSIS screening to be done.

Another thing, I didnt receive AIP until my interview at local office , so mine was transfered before I received it. The local IO wanted a spousal interview and at the end then he gave us AIP.

 

[Black-Berry]

BB , If your FOSS notes dont say pass at the side of RCMP /CSIS req this means they are not done . I know this cos on my FOSS notes it says,

Criminalty Pass

Meds Req

CSIS Req

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news hun ! I too will prob have to re-do meds in Jan as they have been extended until then as still waiting from CSIS screening to be done.

Another thing, I didnt receive AIP until my interview at local office , so mine was transfered before I received it. The local IO wanted a spousal interview and at the end then he gave us AIP.

thanks eye > how long did you wait for your interview?... i didnt know your file was transferred?.well imm happy you got aip ... which is your local office?...

 

[eyeoftheocean]

My file was transfered in june 10 had interview August 10 my local office is Kitchener and still flipping waiting lol ..dont worr just sit back and wait

 

[RobsLuv]

In July they did request further information ie... what i have been doing in canada from the day i arrived last year until present.. Volunteer information, school information etc... It was just a form and there was no indication of providing further proof. they also only wanted the information they requested leading me to believe they were satisfactory with the other part of my application.

That's a little weird - what is your status in Canada? (I know we talked, and I'm sorry but I sometimes can't remember all the details and I just deleted a bunch of old messages in my inbox last night because it was getting full.) I don't think it's "normal" that they send out an inquiry as to what you've been doing in Canada since you've been here - sounds like they had some suspicion that you were working or going to school illegally and they were fishing.

As for the evidence i submitted?, i admit i didnt send that much evidence that should have been done being ive been in a almost 10 year relationship with my husband. I submitted about ten photos.. most of our very small wedding abt 8 years ago and a few others. We also met on the internet which i stated and he stated. and his family all refused to attend our wedding because they didnt like me and thought i was too young. All this information i stated. I didnt lie. I could have easily said he came to Kenya on vacation and we met there .. or we worked together.... but we didnt want it to harm us. o we decided to tell the truth just incase cic caught us in our own lies.. I have documentation ie emails and phone records which i kept for memorie sakes and never thougt id need them so bad!. Thank God!. I have tonnes of evidence that i went to my archives for. I also paid the Nanaimo office a visit in person to inquire abt the timings of that office and the officer told me not to send anything until they contact us an she said they will call me and took my cell number. She said they hadnt received my file as yet.

There is nothing wrong with you having met on the internet. It's pretty clear that the problem with the application is that you didn't submit anything more than a few photos to substantiate a ten year relationship, so they have to question it. The family not attending the wedding is also part of it. As far as not sending anything until they ask for it - that's important, because they see so much paper that they have a tendency to lose things. She's just trying to save you the trouble of having to send stuff again, or losing it altogether. Wait until they're ready to look at your case - at this point you are not going to hurry anything along by trying to submit stuff now that should have gone with the ap initially. You'll probably be asked to bring your proofs to the interview.

As for running ins with the law, i never ever had any running ins. Never been arrested.. never even for a speeding ticket!. Im as clean as a whistle in that area dept!. hubby is 50 and when he was in his 20s he had many run ins! This was in toronto when he was in college and he did many stupid things. he did every vice under the sunm except murdering someone!. Im even embarrassed and i was jokingly telling him the other day that he was the reason my file has complications heh heh heh ,.

but he paid the price. that was almost twenty something years ago.. hes been clean no run ins for over 25 years now. but if thats the case than that would be what it is.. not me....

No, that's not the problem.

No they didnt say if i passed any test. not anywhere is my medicals mentioned though!. which is worrying me a tard..I known its a possibility ill redo them (I did them in january) but if it can be avoided why not??. Come to think of it.. i wonder if they did receive my medicals??. the doctors office said they sent them.. and i trust that they did!... but will wait and see...

You have to understand how the whole "medical" piece works. The DMP does not send your medicals to the processing office - they're sent to the Regional Medical Centre in Ottawa where they're kept until the processing officer asks to review the results. They won't necessarily mention that they have "received" the medicals, but typically they don't review them until they have determined that the applicant is eligible in the class in which they've applied. Because you didn't submit sufficient proof of your genuine relationship - necessitating further review and a possible interview - they may not have processed to the point of reviewing the medicals. They are going to first determine whether or not your relationship is genuine - that's part of first stage approval. After first stage approval they assess the medicals, the criminal clearances and run the CSIS checks. Remember the medicals are valid for a year, and they don't always ask inland applicants to redo them.

 

[Black-Berry]

Niiccee. at least you have AIP and 1st stage approval! whew!!!. do you know when they start the security checks?. I think mines says that my security checks have started... i thought they wait for AIP before starting security checks As in said my life is very boring.. Non dramatic. never broken any law at alll .. yes im "Miss-goody-goody-two-shoes" Im scared of breaking laws. im scared of being arrested so that shdnt be a problem and bda is a small country so security check there should be a breeze.Im scared of speeding (and yes im that annoying granny that drives 85 on a 90s zone!) hehehehehe
i havent been to kenya in 8 years either so yeah they wont find anything on me there either...
when did you apply btw?.. i think you should be hearing something very soon??...

 

[Black-Berry]

That's a little weird - what is your status in Canada? (I know we talked, and I'm sorry but I sometimes can't remember all the details and I just deleted a bunch of old messages in my inbox last night because it was getting full.) I don't think it's "normal" that they send out an inquiry as to what you've been doing in Canada since you've been here - sounds like they had some suspicion that you were working or going to school illegally and they were fishing.

Thats ok Robsluv.. i was also surprised that they requested this information. i have been coming to canada for a long time on vacation with the family so i have visas. i dont know if this had to do with requesting this information because i know many people here who are inlanders dont get this form. i found it fishy but i gave it to them anyway.

Im here on a multiple entry visitors visa.

 

[angelbrat]

Just a note......when I applied Inland they did the security checks before the AIP....so it's not always the other way around. Sometimes, it seems impossible to understand how CIC works, your case is a classic example.

Just hang in there......your time is near I am sure.

 

[Black-Berry]

angelbrat youre right.. how long did you get AIP?.