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I was told that deportations have been halted during the pandemic. Does this mean that even if an extension is denied the person does not have to leave? Has anyone had an extension denied during Covid? If so, what happened?
 
I was told that deportations have been halted during the pandemic. Does this mean that even if an extension is denied the person does not have to leave? Has anyone had an extension denied during Covid? If so, what happened?

Yes extensions have been denied and yes I believe deportations are still not going ahead. Overstaying can still have negative impacts on future international or Canadian travel so if your extension is denied you should try to return to your home country within 30 days if possible. You also may have the option to try to restore your status and apply for an extension again.

After looking at your previous posts his parents should really try to return home if it is possible if they want to return to Canada in the future. Fundamentally their plan is not sustainable. They can’t just expact to be able to keep renewing their visitor status in Canada if their son can't afford to sponsor them. What if they need more than emergency medical treatment? Do they have enough savings to pay for what may be very costly bills? They really need to be looking at options in their home country in Europe and their son needs to consider working multiple jobs if he wants to try to sponsor them.
 
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Thanks for the response. I'm trying to look at this from all angles. I spoke with a lawyer and they simply said that noone will be deported during covid. So they don't have to be worried about being removed. I seem to be getting mixed opinions on this. From one end of the spectrum to the other. I can't seem to find any info online about this specific case. Nothing written about deportations being halted, so I am not sure where this immigration lawyer is getting their information.
 
Yes extensions have been denied and yes I believe deportations are still not going ahead. Overstaying can still have negative impacts on future international or Canadian travel so if your extension is denied you should try to return to your home country within 30 days if possible. You also may have the option to try to restore your status and apply for an extension again.

After looking at your previous posts his parents should really try to return home if it is possible if they want to return to Canada in the future. Fundamentally their plan is not sustainable. They can’t just expact to be able to keep renewing their visitor status in Canada if their son can't afford to sponsor them. What if they need more than emergency medical treatment? Do they have enough savings to pay for what may be very costly bills? They really need to be looking at options in their home country in Europe and their son needs to consider working multiple jobs if he wants to try to sponsor them.
 
Sorry I just reread your reply. You said Deportations are not going ahead. I honestly don't think they care about the repercussions of not being able to return at this point. They just want to stay until covid is gone. Which they feel could be months to a year. At that point they know that they may not be able to come back and it does not seem to phase them. As for the medical insurance, they have their travel insurance and they feel this is suitable for the duration of their stay.. Aside from being dragged from the home and jailed and deported. I don't think a rejected visa will be enough to entice them to go home and deal with covid whilst homeless. So I guess if not returning is the only repercussion, they will likely leave when they feel safe.
 
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Sorry I just reread your reply. You said Deportations are not going ahead. I honestly don't think they care about the repercussions of not being able to return at this point. They just want to stay until covid is gone. Which they feel could be months to a year. At that point they know that they may not be able to come back and it does not seem to phase them. As for the medical insurance, they have their travel insurance and they feel this is suitable for the duration of their stay.. Aside from being dragged from the home and jailed and deported. I don't think a rejected visa will be enough to entice them to go home and deal with covid whilst homeless. So I guess if not returning is the only repercussion, they will likely leave when they feel safe.

I don’t think they have to worry about being deported. It takes quite a lot for Canada to actively try to deport you even precovid. A lot of people leave before they get deported because it is a lot less expensive if they ever want to return. There are also less implications for future travel. Other countries will be able to determine that you overstayed your visa and were deported. Would first wait and see if their extension is approved or denied. Depending on the result they may qualify to have their status restored and/or they can try to apply for another extension to buy some more time. Would suggest they start making contacts and come up with a plan so when they do eventually return they have a bit of a plan. They may be able to identify organizations that work with homeless citizens that may help them or they may be able to organize with their home government a plan of action for when they return.
 
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Sorry I just reread your reply. You said Deportations are not going ahead. I honestly don't think they care about the repercussions of not being able to return at this point. They just want to stay until covid is gone. Which they feel could be months to a year. At that point they know that they may not be able to come back and it does not seem to phase them. As for the medical insurance, they have their travel insurance and they feel this is suitable for the duration of their stay.. Aside from being dragged from the home and jailed and deported. I don't think a rejected visa will be enough to entice them to go home and deal with covid whilst homeless. So I guess if not returning is the only repercussion, they will likely leave when they feel safe.

Yes, not being able to return is the main repercussion. If that's not a concern, they should just stay. They won't be jailed.

I would check with their insurer on any potential coverage changes due to COVID-19. Make sure they are appropriately covered so that you don't get saddled with expenses in the event something happens.
 
Yes, not being able to return is the main repercussion. If that's not a concern, they should just stay. They won't be jailed.

I would check with their insurer on any potential coverage changes due to COVID-19. Make sure they are appropriately covered so that you don't get saddled with expenses in the event something happens.


Thanks so much for the reply. I am now digging in and trying to find out more about the medical insurance. Initially I worried that the insurance could be void due to covid. But they called and asked and were assured that they were. I have asked them to read the fine print, especially in the new insurance, to look for covid clauses that may have been added. They have already sent an application to renew the medical insurance, but, they will not hear back until January.

If the extension is rejected in Nov/Dec I think they will try and buy time by attempting to extend the visa again with the hopes that this would carry them into the spring or summer 2021.

My question is this... Are they still considered on implied status during the 6-7months they wait for an answer? Or does being rejected instantly throw them out of status?

If the latter is true, would a hospital accept to treat a patient who is considered out of status? Would travelers insurance even cover an individual who is out of status in the country they are in?

I understand that they want to stay with their son cause they feel safe. But how safe are you at their age if they cannot get medical attention when needed. If they cannot maintain coverage while out of status, then they will need to start thinking of an alternative....

I hate that I cannot find any info on any of this stuff online.
 
Thanks so much for the reply. I am now digging in and trying to find out more about the medical insurance. Initially I worried that the insurance could be void due to covid. But they called and asked and were assured that they were. I have asked them to read the fine print, especially in the new insurance, to look for covid clauses that may have been added. They have already sent an application to renew the medical insurance, but, they will not hear back until January.

If the extension is rejected in Nov/Dec I think they will try and buy time by attempting to extend the visa again with the hopes that this would carry them into the spring or summer 2021.

My question is this... Are they still considered on implied status during the 6-7months they wait for an answer? Or does being rejected instantly throw them out of status?

If the latter is true, would a hospital accept to treat a patient who is considered out of status? Would travelers insurance even cover an individual who is out of status in the country they are in?

I understand that they want to stay with their son cause they feel safe. But how safe are you at their age if they cannot get medical attention when needed. If they cannot maintain coverage while out of status, then they will need to start thinking of an alternative....

I hate that I cannot find any info on any of this stuff online.

If their extension is rejected in Nov/Dec, they will fall out of status in Canada immediately. Submitting another extension will not give them implied status. They would need to apply to restore their status. While they wait for the restoration application to be processed, they would continue to remain in Canada without status.

The hospital will definitely treat them. Whether insurance will cover them is a conversation you need to have with their insurance company - or be prepared to roll the dice and cover any costs yourselves.
 
Thanks so much for the reply. I am now digging in and trying to find out more about the medical insurance. Initially I worried that the insurance could be void due to covid. But they called and asked and were assured that they were. I have asked them to read the fine print, especially in the new insurance, to look for covid clauses that may have been added. They have already sent an application to renew the medical insurance, but, they will not hear back until January.

If the extension is rejected in Nov/Dec I think they will try and buy time by attempting to extend the visa again with the hopes that this would carry them into the spring or summer 2021.

My question is this... Are they still considered on implied status during the 6-7months they wait for an answer? Or does being rejected instantly throw them out of status?

If the latter is true, would a hospital accept to treat a patient who is considered out of status? Would travelers insurance even cover an individual who is out of status in the country they are in?

I understand that they want to stay with their son cause they feel safe. But how safe are you at their age if they cannot get medical attention when needed. If they cannot maintain coverage while out of status, then they will need to start thinking of an alternative....

I hate that I cannot find any info on any of this stuff online.

If the parents have a medical emergency they will always be treated. If it is not an emergency then how you will be paying for the appointment will come up. Some end up paying for care and then getting reimbursed by their insurance if the care is covered. If it is an emergency after things have become more stable someone from the hospital will speak to the family about how they will be paying for the medical care. Many families end up on payment plans.
 
If the parents have a medical emergency they will always be treated. If it is not an emergency then how you will be paying for the appointment will come up. Some end up paying for care and then getting reimbursed by their insurance if the care is covered. If it is an emergency after things have become more stable someone from the hospital will speak to the family about how they will be paying for the medical care. Many families end up on payment plans.

I've checked the insurance and its been renewed every 3 months since arriving. So it's looking good. I have noticed that they are only covered for emergencies. Not sure what they plan to do for regular checkups. I guess it is not a concern for now. Thanks for your feedback.
 
Most policies only cover emergencies and usually not for issues related to preexisting conditions. policies that cover routine care are usually much more expensive. Would really consider a policy that is longer but allows you to cancel at any point if possible. If you do get sick then you have a better chance of having multiple months of coverage left. If you do get sick the insurance companies are very unlikely to allow you to extend your policy at the same price and with coverage of your current condition. It would become a preexisting condition.