Conditional Visa's - It's Happening!

[toby]

"It shouldn't bother genuine couples at all" is bad lie.

Only way to do this without effectiing genuine couples is cic has already identified the frauds, if cic is able to identify the frauds before issuing visas, they wouldn't bother making this "conditional PR". They're just giving themselves 2 years to fix the mistakes they might make at first place.

Well, true, but making judgments about whether a relationship is genuine or not, based only on the documents presented in the PR visa application, and perhaps an interview, has got to be error-prone. So, at least CIC is making the applicant show good faith by being with the sponsor for two years at minimum. This won't weed out the determined fraudsters, who will simply buckle down and tough out the two years, but at least it will weed out those who disappear at the airport, or soon after landing.

Nice to see that CIC sees the need for some sort of mechanism to adjudicate cases where the sponsor turns abusive.

 

[freya999]

Well, true, but making judgments about whether a relationship is genuine or not, based only on the documents presented in the PR visa application, and perhaps an interview, has got to be error-prone. So, at least CIC is making the applicant show good faith by being with the sponsor for two years at minimum. This won't weed out the determined fraudsters, who will simply buckle down and tough out the two years, but at least it will weed out those who disappear at the airport, or soon after landing.

Nice to see that CIC sees the need for some sort of mechanism to adjudicate cases where the sponsor turns abusive.

So what you say is we shall all be titled as "Conditional", facing a uncertain furture just because some of us disappear in the airport, and you really think 2 years is gonna stop the abuse?
You know what? it's just easier to pass the burden to CBSA when the the PR has to be revoked, and good luck to deport people who frauded to enter.

 

[Stumpedmom]

So what you say is we shall all be titled as "Conditional", facing a uncertain furture just because some of us disappear in the airport, and you really think 2 years is gonna stop the abuse?
You know what? it's just easier to pass the burden to CBSA when the the PR has to be revoked, and good luck to deport people who frauded to enter.

You should not be worried if you only get a "conditional" visa if you are in a genuine relationship. This is to deter fraudsters, mind you some may tough it out, but still, if you are in a genuine relationship that you have no worries or uncertain future because you are wanting to be with your partner "till death do us part"...

I do not see what the big deal is about the conditional visa...I think its a good idea, and imho I would like to see a longer time period. You have the same rights as a PR, but still you need to maintain the genuine relationship. Even if it was conditional for 3 years, which means that the sponsorship agreement would be expired by the time you were to receive your PR, again that would help to cover the sponsors that do get duped, and they will no longer be responsible for the sponsored spouse....

No need to freak out or worry about this if you are in a legit relationship!!!

 

[suva]

2 years conditional visa followed by interviews for both sponsor and sponsored person will solve the problem. staying together for 2 years is more satisfying than expensive trips, registered phone calls, money transaction receipts etc. under current rule many genuine couple(specially from 3rd world countries) face troubles because they dont have enough proofs. some dont have enough money arrange ceremonies, some get married against the will of the family members., some just dont keep records of their relationship.. all these raise red flags and eventually they get refused or have to wait 2+ years to get through. so if they stay together successfully for few years then its easy to call them genuine couples with less hassles.

 

[Stumpedmom]

2 years conditional visa followed by interviews for both sponsor and sponsored person will solve the problem. staying together for 2 years is more satisfying than expensive trips, registered phone calls, money transaction receipts etc. under current rule many genuine couple(specially from 3rd world countries) face troubles because they dont have enough proofs. some dont have enough money arrange ceremonies, some get married against the will of the family members., some just dont keep records of their relationship.. all these raise red flags and eventually they get refused or have to wait 2+ years to get through. so if they stay together successfully for few years then its easy to call them genuine couples with less hassles.

This is NOT going to reduce the wait times, as they still have to do all the same checks that they do now, before issuing any form of PR whether it be conditional or not. This is because people do wait for the long periods of time upto and over 2 years, and then within days of arriving, leave their sponsor and are sponsoring another spouse to Canada....unfortunately, the countries that have the super long waits are some of the higher MOC known countries...and they still will have to do all the checks...

 

[g-man]

You should not be worried if you only get a "conditional" visa if you are in a genuine relationship. This is to deter fraudsters, mind you some may tough it out, but still, if you are in a genuine relationship that you have no worries or uncertain future because you are wanting to be with your partner "till death do us part"...

I do not see what the big deal is about the conditional visa...I think its a good idea, and imho I would like to see a longer time period. You have the same rights as a PR, but still you need to maintain the genuine relationship. Even if it was conditional for 3 years, which means that the sponsorship agreement would be expired by the time you were to receive your PR, again that would help to cover the sponsors that do get duped, and they will no longer be responsible for the sponsored spouse....

No need to freak out or worry about this if you are in a legit relationship!!!

I haven't read all of TFA but if the conditional visa here is going to be anything like the states, it will be a pain in the ass. Not only do you have to possibly go back for another interview and provide details of ongoing ties, but there's another $500 fee for the privilege.

 

[Eswiz]

I haven't read all of TFA but if the conditional visa here is going to be anything like the states, it will be a pain in the ass. Not only do you have to possibly go back for another interview and provide details of ongoing ties, but there's another $500 fee for the privilege.

Plus I doubt they will employ more staff to administer this, so I suspect waiting times will in fact go up.

 

[suva]

This is NOT going to reduce the wait times,

in uk, usa and australia conditional visa/spouse visa processing time is only a few months, they also do background checks, their borders are not wide open to everybody, they are also as strict as CIC canada, so CIC should reduce the time unless they are extremely inefficient.

 

[Stumpedmom]

in uk, usa and australia conditional visa/spouse visa processing time is only a few months, they also do background checks, their borders are not wide open to everybody, they are also as strict as CIC canada, so CIC should reduce the time unless they are extremely inefficient.

Ya well this is CIC we are talking about...

Inefficient does not begin to describe them...

 

[CharlieD10]

in uk, usa and australia conditional visa/spouse visa processing time is only a few months, they also do background checks, their borders are not wide open to everybody, they are also as strict as CIC canada, so CIC should reduce the time unless they are extremely inefficient.

CIC is "inefficient" when and where it suits them to be.

 

[suva]

Ya well this is CIC we are talking about...

Inefficient does not begin to describe them...

right, but many people who applied in july 2011 have already received their PPR and for me application is still not received although the sponsorship is already approved, no update in Ecas, what is this?? inefficiency or ignorance? or my file is lost?? who knows? it shouldnt take 2+ months to transfer the file from canada to singapore. no offense pls.

 

[Stumpedmom]

right, but many people who applied in july 2011 have already received their PPR and for me application is still not received although the sponsorship is already approved, no update in Ecas, what is this?? inefficiency or ignorance? or my file is lost?? who knows? it shouldnt take 2+ months to transfer the file from canada to singapore. no offense pls.

I have not seen any PPRs from July, which country are they from?? And some visa offices do not issue AOR and with the Singapore office, I do believe it does have a long processing time, so until they actually look at your file, you will not receive anything....it sux, but unfortunately part of this wonderful, stressful process...I would just hang tight and not fret, and remember as hard as it is, you can not compare your file to others, as each file is totally different, and each visa office is different...

 

[suva]

I have not seen any PPRs from July, which country are they from?? And some visa offices do not issue AOR and with the Singapore office, I do believe it does have a long processing time, so until they actually look at your file, you will not receive anything....it sux, but unfortunately part of this wonderful, stressful process...I would just hang tight and not fret, and remember as hard as it is, you can not compare your file to others, as each file is totally different, and each visa office is different...

they are from new delhi, manila, colombo and london. ok assume that my file is crap, but atleast me and my wife should expect just a liittle bit change in the Ecas, thats means, theres no use of ecas for singapore, anyways i think i am wasting your time for my own problem my dear friends.

 

[Stumpedmom]

they are from new delhi, manila, colombo and london. ok assume that my file is crap, but atleast me and my wife should expect just a liittle bit change in the Ecas, thats means, theres no use of ecas for singapore, anyways i think i am wasting your time for my own problem my dear friends.

there is no wasting time...you are concerned...and you can not rely on ecas...it is not at all reliable...

 

[suva]

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there is no wasting time...you are concerned...and you can not rely on ecas...it is not at all reliable...

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