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Great news, could you explain what do you mean by first mandamus and second mandamus? did you file for the mandamus yourself? did you apply for GCMS notes before that?
Yes, I sent a demand letter in December 2024 and filed a mandamus application in May 2025. I later withdrew the first mandamus application because it was filed too early in the process. Throughout the application process, I have also been requesting GCMS notes every couple of months to monitor the progress of my file.
 
Yes, I sent a demand letter in December 2024 and filed a mandamus application in May 2025. I later withdrew the first mandamus application because it was filed too early in the process. Throughout the application process, I have also been requesting GCMS notes every couple of months to monitor the progress of my file.
Hey man - Can you share some links for self filing Mandamus? I have been waiting since Nov 2024. I will be coming towards my 2 years mark soon.
 
Can you share some links for self filing Mandamus? I have been waiting since Nov 2024. I will be coming towards my 2 years mark soon.

To pursue Mandamus, lawyer-up. It is that simple. Commentary in this forum suggesting otherwise is, well, bad advice.

Explanation:

Most IRCC clients, most by a big margin, do not need the help of a lawyer when dealing with immigration or citizenship matters. But most immigration and citizenship matters, most by a big margin, are administrative proceedings.

Pursuing Mandamus is not an administrative proceeding. It is prosecuting litigation in the Federal Court. It is a lawsuit. Like heart surgery is for cardiologists, lawsuits are for lawyers.

A lawsuit in Federal Court seeking a remedy in Mandamus against the government is among the more technically challenging lawsuits to prosecute. I was once told by a lawyer-acquaintance that given how technical and complex actions seeking Mandamus relief are, many lawyers, maybe most, struggle to competently plead and prosecute Mandamus actions, and that many such actions crash and burn (get dismissed) due to technical errors, never getting to the merits of the case.

Meanwhile, generally, even highly competent lawyers (those not fools) do not "self-file" lawsuits in Federal Court, including lawsuits against government entities like IRCC. It is such a well-worn adage it is trite; but it really is true: A lawyer representing herself has a fool for a client.

But that hardly tells the tale for a non-lawyer trying to play lawyer in Federal Court, representing himself, especially in more difficult litigation like an action pursuing a Writ of Mandamus . . . well . . . yeah, that's better covered by the sort-of-adage told in film by Forrest Gump quoting his mother (borrowed and butchered in my signature below, substituting "bureaucracy" for "stupid").

Frankly there is a lot of bad advice about pursuing Mandamus in this forum. If waiting patiently does not work for you, and you are serious about pursuing remedies beyond nagging IRCC (regarding which there is rather little indication it works, even when a MP gets involved; one has to wonder to what extent it might even be counter-productive), gather and make copies of all your paperwork, and pay a lawyer to review your case in detail, in-depth . . . and let the lawyer say what options are available, including whether or not to even make the formal demand that must be properly made before an action for Mandamus can be filed. And very, very importantly, if the lawyer advises going aheard with Mandamus, let the lawyer say when. Timing the pursuit of Mandamus is not so difficult as adequately framing the demand (both the formal demand to the agency, and the demand pled in the lawsuit filing itself, which are probably the most technically difficult aspects of Mandamus . . . these must be essentially perfect to have any chance of success), but timing is nonetheless a tricky decision to make. Spoiler alert: not only is two years probably too soon, probably way too soon, there is far more to consider than how long the application has been in process in deciding when it is time to pursue Mandamus. Don't trust me, see and pay a lawyer.

To wait . . . or not to wait, to pursue a remedy . . .

The twist in all this is that if application processing is at a stage where it would be proper for a court to order the Minister of IRCC to finalize the application, IRCC is probably already on track to finalize the application.

In contrast, if IRCC is not on track to finalize the application, it is likely there is still an outstanding issue that must be resolved, in which event a court is unlikely to grant Mandamus.

So, if the Mandamus remedy is ripe, meaning the case is in a posture where Mandamus would be appropriate, it is quite likely that IRCC will proceed to finalize the citizenship application roughly within the amount of time it would take to get the Writ and IRCC to act on it. That is, it is likely that it will take a roughly similar amount of time either way.

There are exceptions of course.
 
Hi everyone,

I’d appreciate some advice on my citizenship application. I applied online (adult grant) on June 6, 2024, and it has now been over 28 months.

Where my file stands:

Knowledge test passed (Aug 2024, 19/20)
Language and residence passed (Nov 2024).
RCMP criminality check came back “No Reportable Trace” in July 2024 and was re-run in Dec 2025 with the same result.

My tracker (last updated Dec 20, 2025) shows Background verification and Prohibitions as “In progress” and the ceremony as “Not started.” Nothing has changed since.
My GCMS notes show the paper file location as “Grant Clearance Pending.” i have never been convicted and never did anything wrong. i have nexus and security clearance level 2. so it doest make sense to me.

Why it’s urgent for me: I’m applying to join the Canadian Armed Forces Primary Reserve as a Signal Officer. That trade requires citizenship before enrolment. My recruiter confirmed in writing that everything except the final interview is done, and I can’t move forward until I’m a citizen. Every month of waiting costs me seniority and delays basic training.

What I’ve already done:

An MP’s office made status enquiries twice in July 2025, and in march 2026 and an urgent request was noted on my file.
I received a generic canned reply from the Client Support Centre.
I have submitted an urgent processing request through the IRCC web form with my recruiter’s letter.

My questions:

Has anyone had a file sit at background verification for 2+ years? How long did it take to clear, and what finally moved it?
Did an urgent request help

Is there anything else I should be doing to move my file?

Thanks in advance. I’m happy to share more details.
 
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Hi everyone,

I’d appreciate some advice on my citizenship application. I applied online (adult grant) on June 6, 2024, and it has now been over 28 months.

Where my file stands:

Knowledge test passed (Aug 2024, 19/20)
Language and residence passed (Nov 2024).
RCMP criminality check came back “No Reportable Trace” in July 2024 and was re-run in Dec 2025 with the same result.

My tracker (last updated Dec 20, 2025) shows Background verification and Prohibitions as “In progress” and the ceremony as “Not started.” Nothing has changed since.
My GCMS notes show the paper file location as “Grant Clearance Pending.” i have never been convicted and never did anything wrong. i have nexus and security clearance level 2. so it doest make sense to me.

Why it’s urgent for me: I’m applying to join the Canadian Armed Forces Primary Reserve as a Signal Officer. That trade requires citizenship before enrolment. My recruiter confirmed in writing that everything except the final interview is done, and I can’t move forward until I’m a citizen. Every month of waiting costs me seniority and delays basic training.

What I’ve already done:

An MP’s office made status enquiries twice in July 2025, and in march 2026 and an urgent request was noted on my file.
I received a generic canned reply from the Client Support Centre.
I have submitted an urgent processing request through the IRCC web form with my recruiter’s letter.

My questions:

Has anyone had a file sit at background verification for 2+ years? How long did it take to clear, and what finally moved it?
Did an urgent request help

Is there anything else I should be doing to move my file?

Thanks in advance. I’m happy to share more details.
Yup, May 15, 2024 with no update yet.
 
Hello everyone, finally some good news!

I called IRCC today, and they confirmed that my Background Check and Prohibitions were completed on September 11, 2026. I also asked my MP's office to follow up, and they confirmed the same update.

Timeline:
City: Whitehorse, Yukon
Country of Birth: India

AOR: May 8, 2024
Security Screening Start Date: June 23, 2024
First Mandamus: May 2025 (later withdrawn) (Self Represented)
Fingerprints requested: October 30, 2025, they are valid till November 11, 2026 (as per GCMS)
Second Mandamus: August 17, 2026 (Self Represented)
Applicant's Record Submitted: August 27, 2026

No updates in the tracker.

It's been a long journey, but it's encouraging to see some movement at last. I hope the final step won't take much longer. Hopefully, good news is on the way for all of you soon.

two years? oh my god. I'm crazing now
 
two years? oh my god. I'm crazing now
A 2.5 years is pretty much the expectation for anyone stuck in a long security screening. The majority of people in such a situation get cleared in roughly that amount of time.
Adjust your expectations based on that if needed.
 
Hey man - Can you share some links for self filing Mandamus? I have been waiting since Nov 2024. I will be coming towards my 2 years mark soon.
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To pursue Mandamus, lawyer-up. It is that simple. Commentary in this forum suggesting otherwise is, well, bad advice.

Explanation:

Most IRCC clients, most by a big margin, do not need the help of a lawyer when dealing with immigration or citizenship matters. But most immigration and citizenship matters, most by a big margin, are administrative proceedings.

Pursuing Mandamus is not an administrative proceeding. It is prosecuting litigation in the Federal Court. It is a lawsuit. Like heart surgery is for cardiologists, lawsuits are for lawyers.

A lawsuit in Federal Court seeking a remedy in Mandamus against the government is among the more technically challenging lawsuits to prosecute. I was once told by a lawyer-acquaintance that given how technical and complex actions seeking Mandamus relief are, many lawyers, maybe most, struggle to competently plead and prosecute Mandamus actions, and that many such actions crash and burn (get dismissed) due to technical errors, never getting to the merits of the case.

Meanwhile, generally, even highly competent lawyers (those not fools) do not "self-file" lawsuits in Federal Court, including lawsuits against government entities like IRCC. It is such a well-worn adage it is trite; but it really is true: A lawyer representing herself has a fool for a client.

But that hardly tells the tale for a non-lawyer trying to play lawyer in Federal Court, representing himself, especially in more difficult litigation like an action pursuing a Writ of Mandamus . . . well . . . yeah, that's better covered by the sort-of-adage told in film by Forrest Gump quoting his mother (borrowed and butchered in my signature below, substituting "bureaucracy" for "stupid").

Frankly there is a lot of bad advice about pursuing Mandamus in this forum. If waiting patiently does not work for you, and you are serious about pursuing remedies beyond nagging IRCC (regarding which there is rather little indication it works, even when a MP gets involved; one has to wonder to what extent it might even be counter-productive), gather and make copies of all your paperwork, and pay a lawyer to review your case in detail, in-depth . . . and let the lawyer say what options are available, including whether or not to even make the formal demand that must be properly made before an action for Mandamus can be filed. And very, very importantly, if the lawyer advises going aheard with Mandamus, let the lawyer say when. Timing the pursuit of Mandamus is not so difficult as adequately framing the demand (both the formal demand to the agency, and the demand pled in the lawsuit filing itself, which are probably the most technically difficult aspects of Mandamus . . . these must be essentially perfect to have any chance of success), but timing is nonetheless a tricky decision to make. Spoiler alert: not only is two years probably too soon, probably way too soon, there is far more to consider than how long the application has been in process in deciding when it is time to pursue Mandamus. Don't trust me, see and pay a lawyer.

To wait . . . or not to wait, to pursue a remedy . . .

The twist in all this is that if application processing is at a stage where it would be proper for a court to order the Minister of IRCC to finalize the application, IRCC is probably already on track to finalize the application.

In contrast, if IRCC is not on track to finalize the application, it is likely there is still an outstanding issue that must be resolved, in which event a court is unlikely to grant Mandamus.

So, if the Mandamus remedy is ripe, meaning the case is in a posture where Mandamus would be appropriate, it is quite likely that IRCC will proceed to finalize the citizenship application roughly within the amount of time it would take to get the Writ and IRCC to act on it. That is, it is likely that it will take a roughly similar amount of time either way.

There are exceptions of course.
You do NOT need a lawyer to start a mandamus application!

I personally handled the first stage of my mandamus application myself, just like many others have. However, before starting, lawyers generally recommend waiting at least two years before pursuing mandamus. In my opinion, this is reasonable advice.

Lawyers can charge anywhere from $6,000 to $10,000 for the entire mandamus process, which can be a significant expense. What many people don't realize is that you can handle the first stage yourself and save a lot of money.

I prepared and submitted my own application, and my Application for Leave was GRANTED! Reaching this stage with a lawyer could easily cost you at least half of what they charge for the entire process.

Many applicants actually receive their citizenship before reaching the second stage because IRCC sometimes moves forward with finalizing applications once mandamus proceedings begin. Reaching the second stage can also take approximately a year, depending on the circumstances.

Now, let's talk about the second stage.

Once your application for leave is granted, my personal recommendation is to consider hiring a lawyer. At this stage, things become more serious, the process moves forward, and you may have to appear before the Federal Court on a scheduled hearing date.

A lawyer may charge approximately $3,000 for this stage. Having legal representation can be very helpful, especially when presenting your arguments in court. Of course, representing yourself is still an option if you feel comfortable doing so.

My personal experience:

I applied for citizenship in 2023, and I am still waiting. I completed the first stage myself, and I recently had my Federal Court hearing with my lawyer. Now, I am waiting for the judge's decision.

Interestingly, my lawyer asked me who had prepared my initial application because he thought it was very well prepared. When I told him I had done it myself, with guidance and help from the FB Canadian Citizenship groups, he was surprised.

Another important thing I want to mention is ATIP notes. Whenever I order and receive my ATIP notes, I can see what's happening behind the scenes, what steps IRCC is taking, and how my application is progressing. This information can help you better understand your situation.

My advice to anyone considering mandamus:

You don't necessarily need to spend thousands of dollars on a lawyer from day one.

If you decide to prepare the first stage yourself, one of the steps I took was sending two demand letters to IRCC within approximately two months, giving IRCC an opportunity to address the delay before proceeding.
Keep in mind that even preparing a single demand letter through a lawyer can each cost around $500. You can prepare and send these letters yourself instead of paying someone hundreds of dollars for something you can do with proper research and preparation.

I am sharing all of this based on my own experience, not legal advice. Every case is different, and mandamus is not a guarantee of citizenship or a court order requiring IRCC to approve your application.
The bottom line: You can start the mandamus process yourself, save thousands of dollars, and consider hiring a lawyer once you reach the second stage.
 
To pursue Mandamus, lawyer-up. It is that simple. Commentary in this forum suggesting otherwise is, well, bad advice.

Explanation:

Most IRCC clients, most by a big margin, do not need the help of a lawyer when dealing with immigration or citizenship matters. But most immigration and citizenship matters, most by a big margin, are administrative proceedings.

Pursuing Mandamus is not an administrative proceeding. It is prosecuting litigation in the Federal Court. It is a lawsuit. Like heart surgery is for cardiologists, lawsuits are for lawyers.

A lawsuit in Federal Court seeking a remedy in Mandamus against the government is among the more technically challenging lawsuits to prosecute. I was once told by a lawyer-acquaintance that given how technical and complex actions seeking Mandamus relief are, many lawyers, maybe most, struggle to competently plead and prosecute Mandamus actions, and that many such actions crash and burn (get dismissed) due to technical errors, never getting to the merits of the case.

Meanwhile, generally, even highly competent lawyers (those not fools) do not "self-file" lawsuits in Federal Court, including lawsuits against government entities like IRCC. It is such a well-worn adage it is trite; but it really is true: A lawyer representing herself has a fool for a client.

But that hardly tells the tale for a non-lawyer trying to play lawyer in Federal Court, representing himself, especially in more difficult litigation like an action pursuing a Writ of Mandamus . . . well . . . yeah, that's better covered by the sort-of-adage told in film by Forrest Gump quoting his mother (borrowed and butchered in my signature below, substituting "bureaucracy" for "stupid").

Frankly there is a lot of bad advice about pursuing Mandamus in this forum. If waiting patiently does not work for you, and you are serious about pursuing remedies beyond nagging IRCC (regarding which there is rather little indication it works, even when a MP gets involved; one has to wonder to what extent it might even be counter-productive), gather and make copies of all your paperwork, and pay a lawyer to review your case in detail, in-depth . . . and let the lawyer say what options are available, including whether or not to even make the formal demand that must be properly made before an action for Mandamus can be filed. And very, very importantly, if the lawyer advises going aheard with Mandamus, let the lawyer say when. Timing the pursuit of Mandamus is not so difficult as adequately framing the demand (both the formal demand to the agency, and the demand pled in the lawsuit filing itself, which are probably the most technically difficult aspects of Mandamus . . . these must be essentially perfect to have any chance of success), but timing is nonetheless a tricky decision to make. Spoiler alert: not only is two years probably too soon, probably way too soon, there is far more to consider than how long the application has been in process in deciding when it is time to pursue Mandamus. Don't trust me, see and pay a lawyer.

To wait . . . or not to wait, to pursue a remedy . . .

The twist in all this is that if application processing is at a stage where it would be proper for a court to order the Minister of IRCC to finalize the application, IRCC is probably already on track to finalize the application.

In contrast, if IRCC is not on track to finalize the application, it is likely there is still an outstanding issue that must be resolved, in which event a court is unlikely to grant Mandamus.

So, if the Mandamus remedy is ripe, meaning the case is in a posture where Mandamus would be appropriate, it is quite likely that IRCC will proceed to finalize the citizenship application roughly within the amount of time it would take to get the Writ and IRCC to act on it. That is, it is likely that it will take a roughly similar amount of time either way.

There are exceptions of course.
It might change from lawyer to lawyer, but in my experience, at least in the first stage, you do not need a lawyer. I hired a lawyer, and they charged me around $1K just for sending a mandamus demand letter to IRCC. When I asked about follow-up and how we know if it has been received or reviewed by IRCC, they gave me vague arguments that there is no way to follow up or know that. They want you to immediately progress to stage 2, which is official filing, and stage 3, actual court proceedings. The whole process will cost you around $6-8K, which is quite expensive for some of the families. If you ever decide to hire an immigration lawyer, always tie it to deliverables or ask for a legal remedy. The majority of lawyers do not care much about your situation after they get paid. You need to always push them or ask for updates, etc. It is another headache, to be honest. If there is a self-representation option, then do that without guessing whether your lawyer is good or bad.
 
To pursue Mandamus, lawyer-up. It is that simple. Commentary in this forum suggesting otherwise is, well, bad advice.

Explanation:

Most IRCC clients, most by a big margin, do not need the help of a lawyer when dealing with immigration or citizenship matters. But most immigration and citizenship matters, most by a big margin, are administrative proceedings.

Pursuing Mandamus is not an administrative proceeding. It is prosecuting litigation in the Federal Court. It is a lawsuit. Like heart surgery is for cardiologists, lawsuits are for lawyers.

A lawsuit in Federal Court seeking a remedy in Mandamus against the government is among the more technically challenging lawsuits to prosecute. I was once told by a lawyer-acquaintance that given how technical and complex actions seeking Mandamus relief are, many lawyers, maybe most, struggle to competently plead and prosecute Mandamus actions, and that many such actions crash and burn (get dismissed) due to technical errors, never getting to the merits of the case.

Meanwhile, generally, even highly competent lawyers (those not fools) do not "self-file" lawsuits in Federal Court, including lawsuits against government entities like IRCC. It is such a well-worn adage it is trite; but it really is true: A lawyer representing herself has a fool for a client.

But that hardly tells the tale for a non-lawyer trying to play lawyer in Federal Court, representing himself, especially in more difficult litigation like an action pursuing a Writ of Mandamus . . . well . . . yeah, that's better covered by the sort-of-adage told in film by Forrest Gump quoting his mother (borrowed and butchered in my signature below, substituting "bureaucracy" for "stupid").

Frankly there is a lot of bad advice about pursuing Mandamus in this forum. If waiting patiently does not work for you, and you are serious about pursuing remedies beyond nagging IRCC (regarding which there is rather little indication it works, even when a MP gets involved; one has to wonder to what extent it might even be counter-productive), gather and make copies of all your paperwork, and pay a lawyer to review your case in detail, in-depth . . . and let the lawyer say what options are available, including whether or not to even make the formal demand that must be properly made before an action for Mandamus can be filed. And very, very importantly, if the lawyer advises going aheard with Mandamus, let the lawyer say when. Timing the pursuit of Mandamus is not so difficult as adequately framing the demand (both the formal demand to the agency, and the demand pled in the lawsuit filing itself, which are probably the most technically difficult aspects of Mandamus . . . these must be essentially perfect to have any chance of success), but timing is nonetheless a tricky decision to make. Spoiler alert: not only is two years probably too soon, probably way too soon, there is far more to consider than how long the application has been in process in deciding when it is time to pursue Mandamus. Don't trust me, see and pay a lawyer.

To wait . . . or not to wait, to pursue a remedy . . .

The twist in all this is that if application processing is at a stage where it would be proper for a court to order the Minister of IRCC to finalize the application, IRCC is probably already on track to finalize the application.

In contrast, if IRCC is not on track to finalize the application, it is likely there is still an outstanding issue that must be resolved, in which event a court is unlikely to grant Mandamus.

So, if the Mandamus remedy is ripe, meaning the case is in a posture where Mandamus would be appropriate, it is quite likely that IRCC will proceed to finalize the citizenship application roughly within the amount of time it would take to get the Writ and IRCC to act on it. That is, it is likely that it will take a roughly similar amount of time either way.

There are exceptions of course.
I agree that mandamus is a serious legal step, and consulting an experienced immigration lawyer before proceeding is the safest approach. The decision should depend not only on how long the application has been pending, but also on the reasons for the delay and the specific circumstances of the case. Not every delay automatically justifies mandamus.
 
The debate over self-represented mandamus has already been done on this forum, and I believe more than once.
It's obvious to say that people can represent themselves in court. It's nothing new, and isn't specific to writ of mandamus applications. And yes, there are FAQs on the internet, FB groups and whatsapp chats, and AI has been helping too. That probably has cause a significant surge in self-represented cases in the past couple years.

But once you say that, there are some caveats that also need repeating :

1) We have no real idea how effective these things are, beside being effective at making the applicant feel like they're doing something. If the ALJR takes place after 2.5 years of processing, well, the application is already very close to being finalized anyway.
2) There have been many cases of people drawn to it because its "easy to do" and then are like dammit what do I do now??? Yeah, you copy-paste something generic found online, change the name and the dates and call it a day, and then you either abandon it because it's early or complicated or panic because you have no idea how to respond to IRCC's memorandum, where specifics are needed, and actual knowledge of the law is required. It's a lot of work. Legal work, technical work, tight timelines... There absolutely is surge online of questions like "how do I ask for an extension because this is taking me much more time than I thought?", "how do I properly abandon my mandamus application because just poking the bear didn't work?" or "what's the consequences of a previous half-baked mandamus application now that I'm poking the bear again?". Sometimes it can also simply be "how do I add an hyperlink/make a table of contents??" that proves insurmountable to people that are less tech-savvy.

I absolutely understand the appeal, it costs a lot of money, and for most cases, even that money spent on good lawyers is potentially "lost" because, again, most cases resolve themselves after some time, and thousands of dollars to maybe cut 2 months from the timeline, or maybe not even that, is generally not worth it. The vast majority of mandamus cases don't end up with a Federal Court decision after all, but for the ones that actually do, well, you're happy a lawyer took care of them. I've seen a case of a successful self-represented mandamus in CanLII, and maybe there are a few others, I haven't checked, but it's rare, so rare it's the exception.
People need to understand that they're not "representing themselves in a mandamus application" when they say they do, they are mostly just trying to ping IRCC, the same way they do when they call, send a webform or contact the MP. For the vast vast majority of cases, these are not "serious" applications where someone actually hopes to get a court relief. And if you want to get a decision going your way at the FC level, if your case is actually complicated and not merely slow (and I know slow is infuriating, I've seen such a case in my family and looked at all the resources online before, well, doing nothing because oath came after 2 years and a half), the best bet will always be a reputable lawyer.
 
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