Changes probably will be announced in less than a week

[vensak]

The in-demand occupation reasoning is no longer relevant. This is outdated pre-Express Entry.

Express Entry is open to almost all occupations to any field of study.

The 2-year study duration is also not relevant as no points are awarded under CRS.

It is not the duration that matters but the level of study.

1. the real market in demand occupations are very relevant. I am not talking about something that will get you additional points, but I am talking about something that will help you actually to get a job in Canada and from that on to get points.

2. That 2 years studies requirement gives you access to 3 years post gradual work permit which can give you access to more points for canadian work experience.

 

[aircanada]

So to summarize
1. Canada has incentive to protect its education sector by making it more attractive
2. Canada has incentive to give priority to its own graduates over applicants with degrees from institutions in the third world, on the grounds of quality
3. Policies are made or changed, with longer term objectives in mind, often spread over decades. So the people with foreign degrees with no flexibility to obtain a degree in Canada can be sacrificed in the short term, so that the above adjustments can be made.

 

[fatani]

Getting full master in Canade will give you usually access to 3 years post gradual work permit. With just 1 year working in canada you will qualify under CEC.


What you lack on work experience points when it comes to the first point part, you do catch up with ideal age range.

Labour market Works on demand and supply. It is nice that you have studied something very difficult, if there is very little demand to your specialisation. In that case it is up to you to understand it and do following:
1. do the necesary steps to be able to get one of those few opened positions
2. Respecialise or take survival jobs while you will be improving yourself
3. or sit at home a cry about your bitter fate.


And just for the fun sake,
I did simulation for following:
Mater degree graduate under 29 with 2 years of work experience in Canada and no international experience and CBL 9 for language score. I got 497 points.

If I lowered the language to the admition level of CBL 7 it was still 459 points

So if you can achieve all that in "study in Canada package", what went wrong if average international student graduate has around 380 points?

Totally agreed on this. This is my point also that with studies and canadian exp intl students can get 480-520 points so why they whine about we are sitting on 380. Why they whine about bonus points. They want a path in which they complete a degree sit at home and receive PR at their doorstep. They dont want to earn it they just feel that it is their right. They want it easily at the expense of the one who deserves and is ready to earn it.

 

[tormentor]

Totally agreed on this. This is my point also that with studies and canadian exp intl students can get 480-520 points so why they whine about we are sitting on 380. Why they whine about bonus points. They want a path in which they complete a degree sit at home and receive PR at their doorstep. They dont want to earn it they just feel that it is their right. They want it easily at the expense of the one who deserves and is ready to earn it.

Its foolish to have misdirected angst like this. Irrespective of whether students think its their right or not, irrespective of whether they deserve or not, they are not the one's making this decision. If you have to vent, vent it on the immigration system and the minister in charge coz they are the ones who's making this happen. It is pointless to argue and put down the worth of intl students in this forum.

 

[DelPiero07]

Its foolish to have misdirected angst like this. Irrespective of whether students think its their right or not, irrespective of whether they deserve or not, they are not the one's making this decision. If you have to vent, vent it on the immigration system and the minister in charge coz they are the ones who's making this happen. It is pointless to argue and put down the worth of intl students in this forum.

+1

No need to put others down.

 

[Alexios07]

Totally agreed on this. This is my point also that with studies and canadian exp intl students can get 480-520 points so why they whine about we are sitting on 380. Why they whine about bonus points. They want a path in which they complete a degree sit at home and receive PR at their doorstep. They dont want to earn it they just feel that it is their right. They want it easily at the expense of the one who deserves and is ready to earn it.

Majority of int'l students only have bachelor degree. With Bachelor degree, one year work exp and clb 8, you can only get 415 pts.

 

[Elrud]

1. the real market in demand occupations are very relevant. I am not talking about something that will get you additional points, but I am talking about something that will help you actually to get a job in Canada and from that on to get points.

2. That 2 years studies requirement gives you access to 3 years post gradual work permit which can give you access to more points for canadian work experience.

To be realistic, it makes no sense to choose a field of no particular interest to you just because it is in demand in Canada, lol.

Thanks to Express Entry, there's no in-demand occupation list. Even those whose occupation is not in demand is welcome to apply and accept ITA.

Your reasoning works for low-skilled, semi-skilled or some NOC Bs.

Just for your knowledge, even if you have lots of Canadian work experience which is not related to your field of study, it means zero experience for employers, especially in NOC A occupations.

 

[ee2015]

there should be no question that it is very reasonable for Canada government to give some preference on international students who graduated from Canadian universities or colleges and currently working in Canada. Simply because they are the ones who invested more time and money in the country, and the government sees that they are the ones who will be more likely to keep staying in Canada and contribute to their economy.

What they see unfair in this current system is that someone who has no Canadian education or work exp will still get a better chance than those who do on immigrating to Canada if they get the LMIA approved. that's why they are considering to amend the system so that less credit is given to LMIA and more on international students.

 

[kryt0n]

there should be no question that it is very reasonable for Canada government to give some preference on international students who graduated from Canadian universities or colleges and currently working in Canada. Simply because they are the ones who invested more time and money in the country, and the government sees that they are the ones who will be more likely to keep staying in Canada and contribute to their economy.

What they see unfair in this current system is that someone who has no Canadian education or work exp will still get a better chance than those who do on immigrating to Canada if they get the LMIA approved. that's why they are considering to amend the system so that less credit is given to LMIA and more on international students.

Ok, but, bare with me...

A int student moves to Canada and pays for a degree. They work afterwards in a good job and get canadian experience. They move back home and get a year of fsw experience. That will give them around 450 points (assuming their English skills are now great).

A foreign student gets their degree and works hard for 3 years in the same industry and WANTS to go to Canada, but can't get a work visa and only has FSW option. Both are skilled the same but now fsw can only get 430 points because of not having the Canadian experience.

My point is that int students already have a leg up. The difference is just that the government wants more young people to come over and buy overpriced degrees and then stay on, usually because their families can afford to spend more on them and their future.

It just feels wrong.

 

[betty44]

So to summarize
1. Canada has incentive to protect its education sector by making it more attractive
2. Canada has incentive to give priority to its own graduates over applicants with degrees from institutions in the third world, on the grounds of quality
3. Policies are made or changed, with longer term objectives in mind, often spread over decades. So the people with foreign degrees with no flexibility to obtain a degree in Canada can be sacrificed in the short term, so that the above adjustments can be made.

correct, thousands of international students enroll in canadian universities yearly, paying high tuition. The government will do whatever it takes to keep it that way. Come to study at a high tuition and we will give you access to permanent residence. It has been like that since canada opened the immigration system. In 2015 conservatives eliminated that door for internationals students. Government is not only getting pressure from graduates but from universities and colleges cuz this is affecting their " bussiness". In order to continue getting those intetnational tuitions the system must go back the way it was for students. And that s what we see today EE might only favor graduates and the rest of us could be left in limbo. Sad but a possibility. Hope i am wrong. :-[

 

[aircanada]

Ok, but, bare with me...

A int student moves to Canada and pays for a degree. They work afterwards in a good job and get canadian experience. They move back home and get a year of fsw experience. That will give them around 450 points (assuming their English skills are now great).

A foreign student gets their degree and works hard for 3 years in the same industry and WANTS to go to Canada, but can't get a work visa and only has FSW option. Both are skilled the same but now fsw can only get 430 points because of not having the Canadian experience.

My point is that int students already have a leg up. The difference is just that the government wants more young people to come over and buy overpriced degrees and then stay on, usually because their families can afford to spend more on them and their future.

It just feels wrong.

The 'issue' here can be solved by getting a Canadian degree... or 'buying a Canadian degree', going by your rhetoric.

 

[kryt0n]

The 'issue' here can be solved by getting a Canadian degree... or 'buying a Canadian degree', going by your rhetoric.

Absolutely, and if it appears next year that the students will flood the pool then I'm buying myself one for christmas.

 

[Elrud]

The 'issue' here can be solved by getting a Canadian degree... or 'buying a Canadian degree', going by your rhetoric.

Lol, buying Canadian degree.

 

[Elrud]

Lol, buying Canadian degree.

Also, post-secondary institutions will have unlimited places...lol

 

[Alexios07]

My point is that int students already have a leg up. The difference is just that the government wants more young people to come over and buy overpriced degrees and then stay on, usually because their families can afford to spend more on them and their future.

It just feels wrong.

Why it's wrong? it's a win-win situation for both sides, the Canadian economy and the international students. Only people who don't spend money on Canada feel threaten.

If getting a Canadian degree is so easy, why don't you guy "buy" it as well? People are trying to make Canadian education system sounds like a joke, where you can spend money and get a degree like a 3rd world country.