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dr.rasha

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hello,
i'll be hopefully heading to toronto next month..but,my file was for quebec under skilled worker category..i was wondering if its okay to stay in toronto for a while(a month or so) then move to Quebec ..i was told its okay..and what is PNP ?will i have any problems when i arrive to toronto?i already have friends in toronto and thought it will be much easier to settle in a place where someone can help us in the begining ..especially we r a family and i'm havin a new baby soon..plz i need ur help..thank you..
N.B i have modified it caz all of u got me wrong
 
Re: change destination from quebec to toronto

Sorry rasha,

If you are quebec immigrant , you cannot land in Toronto...


Regards
Cool
 
Re: change destination from quebec to toronto

Dr Rasaha,your visa will be revoked if you make efforts at moving to Toronto.It clearly shows that you used Quebec as a simple means of getting Canadian visa and this can be classed as immigration Fraud so you need to be ceareful for now. There is a provision that you can move to any part of the country after some years even though you have a quebec selected immigrant visa.If as you applied to settle in Quebec and you do settle down in Toronto now, do you not know the whole purpose of the provincial nomination system will be defeated?
 
Re: change destination from quebec to toronto

Agreed. You can not land in Toronto.

Regards,
Mayank

coolguy2010 said:
Sorry rasha,

If you are quebec immigrant , you cannot land in Toronto...


Regards
Cool
 
Re: change destination from quebec to toronto

PNP is any province related immigration program. If you applied to Quebec, you must either land in Quebec or have a ticket taking you onward to Quebec in the very near future.

Immigration has recently been cracking down on people who apply under PNP's when they do not intend to live in the provinces that nominated them. They have recently been cancelling PR visas of people who have shown up to land outside their province and who have either admitted that they don't plan to live in their PNP province or the immigration officers believe are not intending to live there. Other people have been given their PR but have been put on watch where their names have been reported to their province to check up on them later.

When you applied for Quebec, you signed a document saying that you intend to settle there. If this is no longer true at the time you land, you are guilty of misrepresentation if you still land on that PR visa. If you are found guilty of misrepresentation, you can lose your PR.

My advice is that you go land in Quebec and do your best to settle there but if it doesn't work out, you don't get a job etc. nobody will blame you if you leave. However, before you move to Toronto just because your friends live there, look for jobs there and in other provinces. Do not spend money on moving again until you have a job lined up.
 
Re: change destination from Quebec to toronto

i dont think its fraud to settle in toronto for somewhile getting to know canada as whole other than going to montereal without knowing anything and i am about to deliver and having a baby my husband must find a jop and i have to stay with some one, one thing more if i want to make a fedral immigration will be much more easier than Quebec but we find Quebec more lovely to live in.....
 
Re: change destination from Quebec to toronto

When dealing with immigration, you do not get to use your own definition of what is fraud. They will use theirs. If they see you having applied for Quebec skilled worker and signing that form that you intend to settle in Quebec and at the time you land, you are landing in Toronto with no immediate plans to go to Quebec, they will smell fraud.

If they believe that you are not going to settle in Quebec as you land, they can cancel your PR visa on the spot and you will not get your PR.

To avoid potential problems, I still advise you to land in Quebec. Another reason to land in Quebec is that your pregnancy related expenses and childbirth will be covered under their health care without a waiting period. If you go to ON, you will not get health care for 3 months so if something happens, you have to pay.
 
Re: change destination from Quebec to toronto

dr.rasha said:
i dont think its fraud to settle in toronto for somewhile getting to know canada as whole other than going to montereal without knowing anything and i am about to deliver and having a baby my husband must find a jop and i have to stay with some one, one thing more if i want to make a fedral immigration will be much more easier than Quebec but we find Quebec more lovely to live in.....

Staying for sometime out of Quebec is all right, long term plan can cause harm to PR status.
 
dr.rasha said:
hello,
i'll be hopefully heading to toronto next month..but,my file was for quebec under skilled worker category..i was wondering if its okay to stay in toronto for a while(a month or so) then move to Quebec ..i was told its okay..and what is PNP ?will i have any problems when i arrive to toronto?i already have friends in toronto and thought it will be much easier to settle in a place where someone can help us in the begining ..especially we r a family and i'm havin a new baby soon..plz i need ur help..thank you..
N.B i have modified it caz all of u got me wrong

Hi dr.rasha,
The replies and advice you got on your question from our respected members are pointing to the necessity that you should settle in Quebec according to your agreement for PR.
It is really interesting to see that you mentioned :

N.B i have modified it caz all of u got me wrong


You may please go through the OP copied below:

Operational Bulletin 251 -
November 24, 2010
Examination of Members of the Provincial Nominee Class at Ports of Entry and CIC Inland Offices
Issue
This operational bulletin (OB) provides instructions regarding the examination of individuals in the Provincial Nominee (PN) class seeking permanent resident status who indicate that they never intended or no longer intend to reside in the nominating province or territory.This OB is being published in conjunction with a Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA) memorandum to Border Services Officers (BSOs).

Background
Paragraph 87(2)(b) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations (IRPR) states that a foreign national is a member of the PN class if they intend to reside in the province that has nominated them.

A permanent resident visa holder in the PN class seeking permanent resident status at a Port of Entry (POE) must therefore establish that they still intend to reside in the province/territory that has nominated them.
Overview of instructions to BSOs
Individuals who indicate that they intend to proceed to and reside in the province/territory of nomination, and who meet the other requirements of the legislation, should be processed for permanent resident status.

Individuals who indicate that they never intended, or no longer intend, to reside in the nominating province/territory may be denied permanent resident status at the POE and may have an A44(1) report written against them./

In the case of individuals who indicate at the POE that they no longer intend to reside in the nominating province/territory, the A44(1) report may be written for non-compliance with paragraph 87(2)(b) of the IRPR pursuant to section 41 of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act (IRPA).

An additional allegation of misrepresentation, pursuant to paragraph 40(1)(a) of the IRPA for R87(2)(b), may be included in the A44(1) report for those individuals who indicate that they never intended to reside in the nominating province/territory, if supported by the information obtained through examination at the POE.

BSOs may also choose to exercise the following options if they are not satisfied with respect to an individual's intention to reside in the nominating province/territory:

•Offer the individual the option of voluntarily withdrawing their application for permanent residence. If this option is accepted by the applicant, the BSO should seize the Confirmation of Permanent Residence (CPR) document and inform the issuing visa office and the appropriate CIC inland office in the province/territory of nomination.
•If the applicant does not exercise the option to voluntarily withdraw their application for permanent residence, the BSO may adjourn the examination and, pursuant to section 23 of the IRPA, authorize the person to enter Canada for the purpose of further examination. As authorized under Item 102 of the CBSA Delegations and Designations [PDF format], the examination should be referred for finalization to the appropriate CIC inland office in the nominating province/territory. The BSO should seize the applicant's CPR document and forward it to the appropriate CIC inland office along with relevant case information (e.g., Statutory Declaration from the individual stating that they do not intend to reside in the province/territory of nomination, officer's interview notes). The CPR documents of accompanying family members should also be seized and forwarded to the appropriate CIC inland office.
Note: If the applicant states that a representative advised them that residence in the province/territory of nomination is not a requirement of the PN class, the BSO should inform the appropriate CIC inland office in the province/territory of nomination and record a non-computer based entry in FOSS with information concerning the representative.

Overview of instructions to CIC inland offices
In cases where a BSO adjourns the examination of individuals in the PN class to a CIC inland office for finalization, the CIC inland office should contact the responsible provincial/territorial authorities and provide relevant case information, including the name, date of birth and nomination certificate number of the principal applicant and their accompanying family members, if available. Timely notificiation of provincial/territorial authorities will afford them the opportunity to make contact with the applicant between the time of the POE referral and the CIC inland office examination, should they wish to do so.

Should the nominating province/territory elect to withdraw their nomination certificate before the CIC examination, the CIC inland office should inform the applicant that their application for permanent residence is refused, and an A44(1) report should be prepared alleging non-compliance pursuant to section 41 of the IRPA in that the applicant is not named in a nomination certificate issued by the government of a province/territory as required by paragraph 87(2)(a) of the IRPR.

If the nominating province/territory has maintained their nomination certificate and, upon examination, the CIC officer is satisfied with respect to the applicant's intent to reside in the nominating province/territory as required by paragraph 87(2)(b) of the IRPR, the applicant should be processed for permanent resident status.

Should the nominating province/territory maintain their nomination certificate and, upon examination, the CIC officer is not satisfied with respect to the applicant's intent to reside in the nominating province/territory as required by paragraph 87(2)(b) of the IRPR, the officer may choose to write an A44(1) report.

In the case of individuals who indicate upon examination at the CIC inland office that they no longer intend to reside in the nominating province/territory, the A44(1) report may be written for non-compliance with paragraph 87(2)(b) of the IRPR pursuant to section 41 of the IRPA.

An additional allegation of misrepresentation, pursuant to paragraph 40(1)(a) of the IRPA for R87(2)(b), may be included in the A44(1) report for those individuals who indicate that they never intended to reside in the nominating province/territory, if supported by the information obtained through examination at the CIC inland office.

Officers should communicate CIC's final decision in accordance with the terms of the applicable Federal-Provincial/Territorial Agreement with respect to Provincial Nominees.

For further information or questions regarding the guidance outlined in this OB, please contact your supervisor or your Regional Program Advisor (RPA). RPAs may in turn contact Operational Management and Coordination Branch.
 
dr.rasha
I give you the same advice as others - land in Quebec, and stay there until you you get PR card.
If you have any doubts about this advice check official guides or ask any reputable immigration consultant.
As far as I know if you apply under FSW you cannot land in Quebec and vice versa.
However, AFTER you land and get your PR card you can move.
 
Hi everyone,
I got my PR visa yesterday and i am intending to travel to Canada on 08th May 2011. On my landing papers, the intended destination is Montreal. However, now i want to stay in Hull, Quebec and the nearest airport is Ottawa. Landing at Montreal will be very tiring and costly for me. I have a 3 yrs old year daughter and I am looking for the option which be best for her. I will really appreciate if someone can help me out on this matter. I will be still staying in Quebec but the intended destination will be different from the one mentioned on the COPR.
Regards
Shahzad
 
As far as I know if you apply under FSW you cannot land in Quebec Province and vice versa.
However, AFTER you land and get your PR card you can move to another province.
Land means a procedure you go at the port of entry. This procedure can be forwarded, but I am not sure how to do that in your case by traveling by taxi.
 
You can land outside Quebec if you have a ticket taking you to a city in Quebec. Since Hull is only a short taxi ride away, I really can't believe they would give you a problem if you land in Ottawa and give them a Hull address. Phone Quebec immigration and ask them if this is a problem.