Canada Explained

[Lammawitch]

Ontario definitely have more jobs for immigrants than all other places but as u r landing as QSW so u have to stay in Quebec until u get ur nationality.

TOTALLY untrue. *sigh*.

Please, check your statements before you post them publicly.

There's a lot of misinformation in this thread, but I've let it go rather than argue with you.

However, the above about Qc is DOWNRIGHT wrong.

PLEASE: take a step back & consider carefully before posting your personal experience as FACT for everyone,

 

[dmiriy10]

Hello Lammawitch,

Mr. Salman is trying to deliver his best of information as per his knowledge and experience in Canada for the future immigrants who are about to land. What he said is absolutely true as per my exp with other threads and internet search.

As you stated that " There's a lot of misinformation" ---- can you share at least one. ?

In this world, people start throwing stones for those who are trying to help some one like SALMAN. So if you would like to help, share, guide something, you are most welcome in this thread.

If you feel something is wrong please do rectify it and deliver the right info in this thread.

This posting may hurt you, but someone is trying to share his exp and this we consider it as only his exp in canada, and we don't believe that the same thing will happen with others.

Try to help someone if possible, so that others should benefit from it.

 

[salmanahm]

Sorry buddy
I am not an immigration specialist. I even hired Campbell Cohen Law firm for my own immigration. But most of the things written here are not misinformation. U can point out the specific misinformation and I can give clarifications. I might be wrong at some point as I have just 8 months here but I claim that I have seen more Canada than some ppl have seen in 8 years.
Regards
Salman

TOTALLY untrue. *sigh*.

Please, check your statements before you post them publicly.

There's a lot of misinformation in this thread, but I've let it go rather than argue with you.

However, the above about Qc is DOWNRIGHT wrong.

PLEASE: take a step back & consider carefully before posting your personal experience as FACT for everyone,

 

[cknouman]

Sorry buddy
I am not an immigration specialist. I even hired Campbell Cohen Law firm for my own immigration. But most of the things written here are not misinformation. U can point out the specific misinformation and I can give clarifications. I might be wrong at some point as I have just 8 months here but I claim that I have seen more Canada than some ppl have seen in 8 years.
Regards
Salman

I really appreciate your positive intention which is to sincerely help people with your experience. But honestly, you sort of lost the plot after first few posts. To be more specific, from your post about OHIP being a "scam" and beyond that. Your bitter experience and personal opinion doesn't mean OHIP is a scam or useless, it doesn't mean foreign job experience means nothing in Canada, it doesn't mean if someone says they got the field specific job without local certification are certain to be liars, it doesn't mean value of higher education from Canada and elsewhere is negligible here. Again, I don't doubt your sincerity, but these are few examples of aforementioned 'misinformations'.

 

[salmanahm]

Thanks for corrections brother.
I will look into these things once again. May be I m not able to get the full benefits under OHIP but I got the feeling that our family doc is interested in more visits rather than seriously diagnosing an already diagnosed problem. Once again I might b wrong but my wife is a pharmacist and she can very well understand the intentions.
Regarding Canadian experience I have seen highly qualified engineers working as general labor in Toyota factories and driving trucks. Odd jobs like convinience stores and gas stations are asking for Canadian experience. Its written everywhere on the forum.

Just tell me one job u can do without local certification. They can only inject u at entry level but not at the real position without a certification. So in this I am very certain. No real job without certification. Havent seen a single guy yet who landed on a job earning $4000 or more working 5 days a week without a certification.

I really appreciate your positive intention which is to sincerely help people with your experience. But honestly, you sort of lost the plot after first few posts. To be more specific, from your post about OHIP being a "scam" and beyond that. Your bitter experience and personal opinion doesn't mean OHIP is a scam or useless, it doesn't mean foreign job experience means nothing in Canada, it doesn't mean if someone says they got the field specific job without local certification are certain to be liars, it doesn't mean value of higher education from Canada and elsewhere is negligible here. Again, I don't doubt your sincerity, but these are few examples of aforementioned 'misinformations'.

 

[cknouman]

Thanks for corrections brother.
I will look into these things once again. May be I m not able to get the full benefits under OHIP but I got the feeling that our family doc is interested in more visits rather than seriously diagnosing an already diagnosed problem. Once again I might b wrong but my wife is a pharmacist and she can very well understand the intentions.
Regarding Canadian experience I have seen highly qualified engineers working as general labor in Toyota factories and driving trucks. Odd jobs like convinience stores and gas stations are asking for Canadian experience. Its written everywhere on the forum.

Just tell me one job u can do without local certification. They can only inject u at entry level but not at the real position without a certification. So in this I am very certain. No real job without certification. Havent seen a single guy yet who landed on a job earning $4000 or more working 5 days a week without a certification.

1. I don’t disagree that some people exploit the flaws of OHIP and use them to their own benefits which is wrong, but that does not mean OHIP is a scam. In the absence of OHIP, (first three months) if you have to go to emergency of any hospital, you know that it cost about $500 just for consultations. This is covered by OHIP. 95% health insurances provided by multi-national companies in Pakistan as well as in Middle East do not cover dental and eye care and there are various legit reasons for that, so no surprise there. Too bad and too sad that prescriptions are not covered but I am sure your wife would agree with this too that in medical expenses, highest portion of cost is spent in diagnosis and tests which are covered by OHIP. Hospitalization cost are minimum in thousands of dollars and sometimes even higher which is also covered by OHIP. If you start putting a price against average medical facilities that a PR holder family avails within a year on average I am sure you will end up with a number affordable only by elite class. I am surprised that considering all this you still consider OHIP “useless and scam”

2. I have also seen many highly qualified people stuck in very low paid jobs due to lack of Canadian experience. There are lucky ones who manage to grab on to very reasonable job without even going in to odd jobs and yes those lucky are a rare species, probably 1 in 100. I don’t undermine importance of Canadian experience at all, but the picture you are painting is way too hopeless. The most important thing about foreign experience is that how relevant it is with the job you are applying for. If your experience is appropriate, relevant and sufficient then you will always get due credit and respect for it. And your point of view is based on your bitter experience over last 8 months which is highly unfortunate. That is what Lammawich rightly pointed out that lets be careful to post personal as “fact for everyone”.

3. For certifications, same as above. I cannot agree more with you on the importance of certifications and having local certifications will increase chances of your hiring many folds. But there are rare species who have managed without it and I personally know a few of them. One is doing a finance job and one of them a civil engineer. I have seen two guys who had exactly similar type of foreign experience and landing as an immigrant together and had similar skillset. One of them got a job right away and one of them struggled for a few months to find a considerable job. Surely those who manage to find a job first up are the lucky ones, or may be they are just a bunch of liars (as per your opinion). I respect your experience that you do not know a single such guy, but that is just your experience, not a fact

4. The purpose of this explanation is to put the facts right as per my opinion and to the best of my knowledge. New immigrants must always pre plan considering the worst case scenario

 

[jam2k94]

1. I don’t disagree that some people exploit the flaws of OHIP and use them to their own benefits which is wrong, but that does not mean OHIP is a scam. In the absence of OHIP, (first three months) if you have to go to emergency of any hospital, you know that it cost about $500 just for consultations. This is covered by OHIP. 95% health insurances provided by multi-national companies in Pakistan as well as in Middle East do not cover dental and eye care and there are various legit reasons for that, so no surprise there. Too bad and too sad that prescriptions are not covered but I am sure your wife would agree with this too that in medical expenses, highest portion of cost is spent in diagnosis and tests which are covered by OHIP. Hospitalization cost are minimum in thousands of dollars and sometimes even higher which is also covered by OHIP. If you start putting a price against average medical facilities that a PR holder family avails within a year on average I am sure you will end up with a number affordable only by elite class. I am surprised that considering all this you still consider OHIP “useless and scam”

2. I have also seen many highly qualified people stuck in very low paid jobs due to lack of Canadian experience. There are lucky ones who manage to grab on to very reasonable job without even going in to odd jobs and yes those lucky are a rare species, probably 1 in 100. I don’t undermine importance of Canadian experience at all, but the picture you are painting is way too hopeless. The most important thing about foreign experience is that how relevant it is with the job you are applying for. If your experience is appropriate, relevant and sufficient then you will always get due credit and respect for it. And your point of view is based on your bitter experience over last 8 months which is highly unfortunate. That is what Lammawich rightly pointed out that lets be careful to post personal as “fact for everyone”.

3. For certifications, same as above. I cannot agree more with you on the importance of certifications and having local certifications will increase chances of your hiring many folds. But there are rare species who have managed without it and I personally know a few of them. One is doing a finance job and one of them a civil engineer. I have seen two guys who had exactly similar type of foreign experience and landing as an immigrant together and had similar skillset. One of them got a job right away and one of them struggled for a few months to find a considerable job. Surely those who manage to find a job first up are the lucky ones, or may be they are just a bunch of liars (as per your opinion). I respect your experience that you do not know a single such guy, but that is just your experience, not a fact

4. The purpose of this explanation is to put the facts right as per my opinion and to the best of my knowledge. New immigrants must always pre plan considering the worst case scenario

Guys good and fruitful discussion here and surely will help the new immigrants to go through it.

CKnouman, in my opinion and hope you also agree that rare cases cannot be put as an example for any criteria. Most of the time you have to go with majority. In point 3 of your above explanation clear about it. Salman is giving what most of the time happen to the new immigrants but surely it is not 100% to everyone.

Anyhow guys carry on to write your experience which can be treasure for people like me who are waiting to complete the process.

 

[Jane123]

Guys good and fruitful discussion here and surely will help the new immigrants to go through it.

CKnouman, in my opinion and hope you also agree that rare cases cannot be put as an example for any criteria. Most of the time you have to go with majority. In point 3 of your above explanation clear about it. Salman is giving what most of the time happen to the new immigrants but surely it is not 100% to everyone.

Anyhow guys carry on to write your experience which can be treasure for people like me who are waiting to complete the process.

Dear friends,

We all have our different opinions and experience so lets not argue and respect each other.

Salman, thank you for sharing your experience and advice we look forward to hearing more from you.

Thanks

 

[salmanahm]

Thanks for your comments. I still respect the opinion of others and thats what I have written on the first page, first para. Thats my personal experience and others might have different. I am a bit too calculated guy and I base my decisions on statistical analysis of a small group of population I met which might not represent whole Canada . I didnt post anything till I settled here and it took me just 6 months because in these 6 months my opinions kept changing. The message I want to deliver is
1- Dont come here without the money CIC wants u to bring in. I have met a couple of guys who did that and still getting exploited.
2- Dont consider settling in Canada as easy business. My expenditure statement is an indication of that. For the first 3 months I was $12000 down but I concentrated on certification. Now I have recovered that in just 2 months.
Regarding my experience in Canada I dont consider it bitter at all. I have seen more difficult life in Egypt, Italy and Pakistan. I am not discouraging immigrants at all. I just want to warn them that dont come in without money.

 

[salmanahm]

And once again that civil engineer is lying who landed on a job as an engineer. I know the inside out of this business. Insurance companies will never accept a building designed by a non licensed civil engineer without the knowledge of National Building Code of Canada. He could be an Autocad draftsman, health and safety inspector or anyone else but at least not a civil engineer.

 

[cknouman]

And once again that civil engineer is lying who landed on a job as an engineer. I know the inside out of this business. Insurance companies will never accept a building designed by a non licensed civil engineer without the knowledge of National Building Code of Canada. He could be an Autocad draftsman, health and safety inspector or anyone else but at least not a civil engineer.

Would you like to meet him?

 

[cknouman]

And once again that civil engineer is lying who landed on a job as an engineer. I know the inside out of this business. Insurance companies will never accept a building designed by a non licensed civil engineer without the knowledge of National Building Code of Canada. He could be an Autocad draftsman, health and safety inspector or anyone else but at least not a civil engineer.

PS, as a civil engineer you can work on design, estimation, project management, work winning and tendering, claims and delay/disruption analysis, quantity surveying, Project interface and coordination, QA/QC and many othe roles. Not all of them roles require a PEO license as a pre requisite which is a FACT. Which means PEO license is pre requisite of less than half of civil engineering jobs. FACT

 

[Lammawitch]

And once again that civil engineer is lying who landed on a job as an engineer. I know the inside out of this business. Insurance companies will never accept a building designed by a non licensed civil engineer without the knowledge of National Building Code of Canada. He could be an Autocad draftsman, health and safety inspector or anyone else but at least not a civil engineer.

I know several engineers (civil & others) who DID land jobs in their field on or shortly after arriving. They researched & pursued registration as fast as possible. Some flew in to take the exams before official landing; others had all documentation etc & exams booked for as soon as they arrived

PS, as a civil engineer you can work on design, estimation, project management, work winning and tendering, claims and delay/disruption analysis, quantity surveying, Project interface and coordination, QA/QC and many othe roles. Not all of them roles require a PEO license as a pre requisite which is a FACT. Which means PEO license is pre requisite of less than half of civil engineering jobs. FACT

+1.

Dear friends,

We all have our different opinions and experience so lets not argue and respect each other.

Salman, thank you for sharing your experience and advice we look forward to hearing more from you.

Thanks

Agreed. Some of us are trying to point out that there is no "one size [experience] fits all".

And also that some of the OP's *opinions*, presented as *fact*, are not accurate.

I very much appreciate the OP's experience, & that he's sharing it, but much is opinion & not fact.

 

[Lammawitch]

Hello Lammawitch,

Mr. Salman is trying to deliver his best of information as per his knowledge and experience in Canada for the future immigrants who are about to land. What he said is absolutely true as per my exp with other threads and internet search.

As you stated that " There's a lot of misinformation" ---- can you share at least one. ?

In this world, people start throwing stones for those who are trying to help some one like SALMAN. So if you would like to help, share, guide something, you are most welcome in this thread.

If you feel something is wrong please do rectify it and deliver the right info in this thread.

This posting may hurt you, but someone is trying to share his exp and this we consider it as only his exp in canada, and we don't believe that the same thing will happen with others.

Try to help someone if possible, so that others should benefit from it.

I spend quite a lot of time helping potential & new immigrants.

Regarding misinformation: I'll refer you to Salman's messages & mine on the first two pages of the thread where his post lead me to believe he was a victim of illegal employment practices, which turned out to be totally normal (& legal).

Then the untrue "information" posted about Quebec. And allegations that OHIP is a scam.

I actually really appreciate this thread, because it illustrates that immigration is NOT easy. I do object to opinion/personal experience presented as fact.

 

[salmanahm]

Engineering is a regulated profession here in Canada. I deal with civil engineers everyday as it is a part of my job as an electrician. Its not about a smart engineer. Its about insurance companies. They are the second police here. So if someone as a civil engineer will do any work a licensed engineer have to assume the responsibility of his/her work. I mean without the signature of a licensed civil engineer the work will be illegal and No insurance. Without a licensed electrician doing the job (NO INSURANCE). So without insurance a project is not approved. I think we all know that very clearly.
Yes there is a rare possibility that some IT professional, or an MBA can get a job without a certification.

Despite of that a lot of ppl are working here in without proper license but the work they are doing is not legal. I personally know a contractor who got $25000 fine for employing unlicensed professionals.

Once again the purpose of this post is to stimulate others to get a license in their own fields rather than considering a change of profession.

"All engineering professions are regulated in Canada, which means you must be licensed to work in these professions. In order to get your credentials recognized and become a licensed engineer entitled to use the title P. Eng"
http://www.coastalimmigration.ca/?page=whatsnew&view=18-how-to-succeed-in-the-engineering-labour-market-in-canada